If Biden wins we will all need to get a gun.

[2aguy]

They are such awful places which would explain our high recidivism rate, huh?

When I go to an awful restaurant, an awful movie theater, an awful grocery store, I make sure I never go back again.

I can explain it just fine. We have a Prison Industrial complex that it is nearly impossible for people to escape from. Once you have that Scarlet A on your head, it's impossible to get a job, and you often drift back into crime. Not to mention the police are just waiting to violate you on the most petty of offenses if you are on parole.

Point is, if guns and prisons really made us safer, we'd have the LOWEST crime rates in the industrialized world, not the highest.

Oh please. Guns were not that expensive back then and ammo even less expensive. True, some used alternative means, but others hunted with guns which the founders expected. That's one reason why firearms were protected in the Constitution. The other is for reasons we see today in these Democrat cities.

Firearms weren't "protected". Militias were. Gun ownership didn't become a common thing until after the 1920's. When there was a spike in gun violence in the 1930's, government passed common sense gun laws.

So you see, we have been doing what you suggested. And guess what? It still doesn't stop a bad guy from getting a gun.

Nope, we really haven't been.

Here's how we get there. If a gun is bought by a crazy person, and he shoots people, we let their families sue

1) The Shrinks
2) The Gun Store
3) The Gun Manufacturer

Promise you, every gun store will have a set of Rorschach tests under the counter.

"Okay, what do these ink blots remind you of."

"Someone dun getting his head blowed off!"

"Okay, NO GUN FOR YOU!!!"

Moron, when one political party and it's judges, prosecutors and politicians think that the violent gun criminal who shot people is simply a victim of circumstance, and keep releasing him to shoot again and again...that is where our gun crime comes from....not normal people who own guns for self defense, sport, hunting and collecting.

How about we just keep violent gun criminals in jail, and stop the democrat party from letting them out over and over again...?

 

[2aguy]

There is no prison industrial complex. It's not like we have empty beds in our prisons just waiting to be filled up. Many judges give leaner sentences to keep people out of our over crowded system, so that prison industrial complex is yet another leftist lie.

Yes, there is a prison industrial complex.

Prison–industrial complex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People go back to prison because it's not that awful of a thing. Once you're there, get to know the other prisoners, know how to play the system, it becomes home. A couple of years ago we had this guy fighting the death penalty claiming he was too fat to stick the needle in. How did he gain so much weight in prison? His family donated money to his account, he bought all kinds of garbage food, and he didn't do anything but lay around all day.

People go back to prison because they can't get jobs once they have even a minor conviction on their records.

Read history. Americans have had guns since our founding, and yes, it is protected by the Constitution and ruled on by the Supreme Court. If our founders wanted only militias to have arms, it would have been written that way. Back in the day, the comma was used in place of the word "and."

I have read history... guns were something only the affluent owned... they never wanted guns for the masses. Last thing Tommy the Rapist Jefferson wanted was Sally Hemming packing heat.

That is a crock of shit.......guns were one of the most common tools at the founding of this country.....and guns have kept the democrat party from murdering black Americans for over since the Civil War, which is why the democrats want to get rid of guns in the cities they control...

 

[JoeB131]

That is a crock of shit.......guns were one of the most common tools at the founding of this country.....and guns have kept the democrat party from murdering black Americans for over since the Civil War, which is why the democrats want to get rid of guns in the cities they control...

Spiking the Gun Myth

movies2.nytimes.com

Imagine, then, the shock if this star of the show should turn out to be missing through much of our history. It seems impossible; and that was the reaction of Michael A. Bellesiles, a Colonial historian at Emory University, when -- while searching through over a thousand probate records from the frontier sections of New England and Pennsylvania for 1763 to 1790 -- he found that only 14 percent of the men owned guns, and over half of those guns were unusable.

What happened to the gun we ''know'' was over every mantel, the omnipresent hunting weapon, the symbol of the frontier? Bellesiles looked elsewhere, examined many different kinds of evidence, trying to find where the famous guns were hiding. ''Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture'' tells us what he learned: that individually owned guns were not really in hiding; they were barely in existence. Before the Civil War, the cutoff point for this study, the average American had little reason to go to the expense and trouble of acquiring, mastering and maintaining a tool of such doubtful utility as a gun.

 

[2aguy]

That is a crock of shit.......guns were one of the most common tools at the founding of this country.....and guns have kept the democrat party from murdering black Americans for over since the Civil War, which is why the democrats want to get rid of guns in the cities they control...

Spiking the Gun Myth

movies2.nytimes.com

Imagine, then, the shock if this star of the show should turn out to be missing through much of our history. It seems impossible; and that was the reaction of Michael A. Bellesiles, a Colonial historian at Emory University, when -- while searching through over a thousand probate records from the frontier sections of New England and Pennsylvania for 1763 to 1790 -- he found that only 14 percent of the men owned guns, and over half of those guns were unusable.

What happened to the gun we ''know'' was over every mantel, the omnipresent hunting weapon, the symbol of the frontier? Bellesiles looked elsewhere, examined many different kinds of evidence, trying to find where the famous guns were hiding. ''Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture'' tells us what he learned: that individually owned guns were not really in hiding; they were barely in existence. Before the Civil War, the cutoff point for this study, the average American had little reason to go to the expense and trouble of acquiring, mastering and maintaining a tool of such doubtful utility as a gun.

Moron....you have the balls to quote Michael Belliseilles....?

The guy was fired from his position because he made up everything you read in his book....you f*****g doofus.....

In the end, the politics of the issue mattered less to historians "than the possibility that Bellesiles might have engaged in faulty, fraudulent, and unethical research."[12] As critics subjected the historical claims of the book to close scrutiny, they demonstrated that much of Bellesiles' research, particularly his handling of probate records, was inaccurate and possibly fraudulent.[13] This criticism included noting several serious errors in the tables published in the book, as well as in the Journal of American History article, namely, that they did not provide a total number of cases and gave percentages that "were clearly wrong."[14]

In two scholarly articles,[15][16] law professor James Lindgren of Northwestern University noted that in Arming America, Bellesiles had

• purported to count guns in about a hundred wills from 17th- and 18th-century Providence, Rhode Island, but these did not exist because the decedents had died intestate (i.e., without wills);
• purported to count nineteenth-century San Francisco County probate inventories, but these had been destroyed in the 1906 earthquake and fire;
• reported a national mean for gun ownership in 18th-century probate inventories that was mathematically impossible;
• misreported the condition of guns described in probate records in a way that accommodated his thesis, as for instance, claiming that in Providence records most guns were listed as old or broken when fewer than 10% were so listed;
• miscited the counts of guns in nineteenth-century Massachusetts censuses and militia reports,
• had more than a 60% error rate in finding guns listed as part of estates in Vermont records; and
• had a 100% error rate in the cited gun-related homicide cases of seventeenth-century Plymouth, Massachusetts.

Critics also identified problems with Bellesiles's methods of citation. Cramer noted that Bellesiles had misrepresented a passage by George Washington about the quality of three poorly prepared militia units as if his criticism applied to the militia in general. (Washington had noted that the three units were exceptions to the rule.)[17] Cramer wrote, "It took me twelve hours of hunting before I found a citation that was completely correct. In the intervening two years, I have spent thousands of hours chasing down Bellesiles’s citations, and I have found many hundreds of shockingly gross falsifications."[4]
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Emory investigation and resignation[edit]
As criticism increased and charges of scholarly misconduct were made, Emory University conducted an internal inquiry into Bellesiles's integrity, appointing an independent investigative committee composed of three leading academic historians from outside Emory.[18] Bellesiles failed to provide investigators with his research notes, claiming the notes were destroyed in a flood.[19][20][21]

In the initial hardcover edition of the book, Bellesiles did not give the total number of probate records which he had investigated, but the following year, after the "flood," Bellesiles included in the paperback edition the claim that he had investigated 11,170 probate records. "By his own account," writes Hoffer, "the flood had destroyed all but a few loose papers of his data. It was a mystery how supposedly lost original data could reappear to enable him to add the number of cases to the 2001 paperback edition, then disappear once again when the committee of inquiry sought the data from him" (Hoffer, 153). One critic tried, unsuccessfully, to destroy penciled notes on yellow pads by submerging them in his bathtub, in order to prove that water damage would not have destroyed Bellesiles' notes.[22]

The scholarly investigation confirmed that Bellesiles' work had serious flaws, calling into question both its quality and veracity. The external report on Bellesiles concluded that "every aspect of his work in the probate records is deeply flawed" and called his statements in self-defense "prolix, confusing, evasive, and occasionally contradictory." It concluded that "his scholarly integrity is seriously in question."[23]

Bellesiles disputed these findings, claiming to have followed all scholarly standards and to have corrected all errors of fact known to him.
Nevertheless, with his "reputation in tatters," Bellesiles issued a statement on October 25, 2002, announcing the resignation of his professorship at Emory by year's end.[24] In 2012 Bellesiles was working as a bartender while continuing to write history.[25]

Aftermath of the scandal[edit]
In 2002, the trustees of Columbia University rescinded Arming America's Bancroft Prize, the first such action in the history of the prize. Alfred A. Knopf, publisher of Arming America, did not renew Bellesiles' contract and the National Endowment for the Humanities withdrew its name from a fellowship that the Newberry Library had granted Bellesiles.[26] In 2003, Arming America was republished in a revised and amended edition by Soft Skull Press.

Bellesiles continued to defend the book's credibility and thesis, arguing that roughly three-quarters of the original book remained unchallenged.[27]

Historians who initially admired Arming America ceased to defend Bellesiles.

The nationally prominent historian Garry Wills, who had enthusiastically reviewed Arming America for the New York Times,[28] later said, in a 2005 interview on C-SPAN, "I was took. The book is a fraud."


Wills noted that Bellesiles "claimed to have consulted archives he didn't and he misrepresented those archives," although "he didn't have to do that," since "he had a lot of good, solid evidence." Wills added, "People get taken by very good con men."[29]

Arming America - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[2aguy]

That is a crock of shit.......guns were one of the most common tools at the founding of this country.....and guns have kept the democrat party from murdering black Americans for over since the Civil War, which is why the democrats want to get rid of guns in the cities they control...

Spiking the Gun Myth

movies2.nytimes.com

Imagine, then, the shock if this star of the show should turn out to be missing through much of our history. It seems impossible; and that was the reaction of Michael A. Bellesiles, a Colonial historian at Emory University, when -- while searching through over a thousand probate records from the frontier sections of New England and Pennsylvania for 1763 to 1790 -- he found that only 14 percent of the men owned guns, and over half of those guns were unusable.

What happened to the gun we ''know'' was over every mantel, the omnipresent hunting weapon, the symbol of the frontier? Bellesiles looked elsewhere, examined many different kinds of evidence, trying to find where the famous guns were hiding. ''Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture'' tells us what he learned: that individually owned guns were not really in hiding; they were barely in existence. Before the Civil War, the cutoff point for this study, the average American had little reason to go to the expense and trouble of acquiring, mastering and maintaining a tool of such doubtful utility as a gun.

Why is it that anti-gun extremists of all types have to lie and lie and lie in order to push their side of the debate?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That is a crock of shit.......guns were one of the most common tools at the founding of this country.....and guns have kept the democrat party from murdering black Americans for over since the Civil War, which is why the democrats want to get rid of guns in the cities they control...

Spiking the Gun Myth

movies2.nytimes.com

Imagine, then, the shock if this star of the show should turn out to be missing through much of our history. It seems impossible; and that was the reaction of Michael A. Bellesiles, a Colonial historian at Emory University, when -- while searching through over a thousand probate records from the frontier sections of New England and Pennsylvania for 1763 to 1790 -- he found that only 14 percent of the men owned guns, and over half of those guns were unusable.

What happened to the gun we ''know'' was over every mantel, the omnipresent hunting weapon, the symbol of the frontier? Bellesiles looked elsewhere, examined many different kinds of evidence, trying to find where the famous guns were hiding. ''Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture'' tells us what he learned: that individually owned guns were not really in hiding; they were barely in existence. Before the Civil War, the cutoff point for this study, the average American had little reason to go to the expense and trouble of acquiring, mastering and maintaining a tool of such doubtful utility as a gun.

Why is it that anti-gun extremists of all types have to lie and lie and lie in order to push their side of the debate?

What else have they got???

 

[2aguy]

That is a crock of shit.......guns were one of the most common tools at the founding of this country.....and guns have kept the democrat party from murdering black Americans for over since the Civil War, which is why the democrats want to get rid of guns in the cities they control...

Spiking the Gun Myth

movies2.nytimes.com

Imagine, then, the shock if this star of the show should turn out to be missing through much of our history. It seems impossible; and that was the reaction of Michael A. Bellesiles, a Colonial historian at Emory University, when -- while searching through over a thousand probate records from the frontier sections of New England and Pennsylvania for 1763 to 1790 -- he found that only 14 percent of the men owned guns, and over half of those guns were unusable.

What happened to the gun we ''know'' was over every mantel, the omnipresent hunting weapon, the symbol of the frontier? Bellesiles looked elsewhere, examined many different kinds of evidence, trying to find where the famous guns were hiding. ''Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture'' tells us what he learned: that individually owned guns were not really in hiding; they were barely in existence. Before the Civil War, the cutoff point for this study, the average American had little reason to go to the expense and trouble of acquiring, mastering and maintaining a tool of such doubtful utility as a gun.

Since you gave me a good laugh today...quoting that guy...using his research.....here...more from the article on how he is the first recipient of the Bancroft prize to have it taken away........for the very crap you just quoted...

Although the book was initially awarded the prestigious Bancroft Prize, it later became the first work for which the prize was rescinded following a decision of Columbia University's Board of Trustees that Bellesiles had "violated basic norms of scholarship and the high standards expected of Bancroft Prize winners."[1]

 

[2aguy]

That is a crock of shit.......guns were one of the most common tools at the founding of this country.....and guns have kept the democrat party from murdering black Americans for over since the Civil War, which is why the democrats want to get rid of guns in the cities they control...

Spiking the Gun Myth

movies2.nytimes.com

Imagine, then, the shock if this star of the show should turn out to be missing through much of our history. It seems impossible; and that was the reaction of Michael A. Bellesiles, a Colonial historian at Emory University, when -- while searching through over a thousand probate records from the frontier sections of New England and Pennsylvania for 1763 to 1790 -- he found that only 14 percent of the men owned guns, and over half of those guns were unusable.

What happened to the gun we ''know'' was over every mantel, the omnipresent hunting weapon, the symbol of the frontier? Bellesiles looked elsewhere, examined many different kinds of evidence, trying to find where the famous guns were hiding. ''Arming America: The Origins of a National Gun Culture'' tells us what he learned: that individually owned guns were not really in hiding; they were barely in existence. Before the Civil War, the cutoff point for this study, the average American had little reason to go to the expense and trouble of acquiring, mastering and maintaining a tool of such doubtful utility as a gun.

Why is it that anti-gun extremists of all types have to lie and lie and lie in order to push their side of the debate?

What else have they got???

Well.......emotional black mail....violence, intimidation...hate....racism, misogyny.......

 

[Jarlaxle]

There is no prison industrial complex. It's not like we have empty beds in our prisons just waiting to be filled up. Many judges give leaner sentences to keep people out of our over crowded system, so that prison industrial complex is yet another leftist lie.

Yes, there is a prison industrial complex.

Prison–industrial complex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

People go back to prison because it's not that awful of a thing. Once you're there, get to know the other prisoners, know how to play the system, it becomes home. A couple of years ago we had this guy fighting the death penalty claiming he was too fat to stick the needle in. How did he gain so much weight in prison? His family donated money to his account, he bought all kinds of garbage food, and he didn't do anything but lay around all day.

People go back to prison because they can't get jobs once they have even a minor conviction on their records.

Read history. Americans have had guns since our founding, and yes, it is protected by the Constitution and ruled on by the Supreme Court. If our founders wanted only militias to have arms, it would have been written that way. Back in the day, the comma was used in place of the word "and."

I have read history... guns were something only the affluent owned... they never wanted guns for the masses. Last thing Tommy the Rapist Jefferson wanted was Sally Hemming packing heat.

That is a crock of shit.......guns were one of the most common tools at the founding of this country.....and guns have kept the democrat party from murdering black Americans for over since the Civil War, which is why the democrats want to get rid of guns in the cities they control...

Gun control was a cornerstone of Jim Crow.

 

[Canon Shooter]

If Joe Biden wins we will all need to get a gun.

While I get your point, I would go even further and say that, regardless of who wins, you'll want a gun.

If Biden wins, entitled negroes will see no reason why they can't just come and take your shit and do as they please to you and yours. After all, you're white and Biden's President, so they know their crimes against you will go unpunished. You'll need a gun to protect yourself.

If Trump wins, negroes are gonna' be mad, and will lash out and try to destroy what decent people have. Well, if they choose to do that at here, they'll be shot. We don't play those kinds of bullshit games in my neighborhood, and my cop neighbors and retired Marine sniper neighbor all feel the same. We don't care if you're angry. Go ahead and be angry. Just understand that if you try to take it out on us, you're in for a fight you're not going to win.

I believe the latter of the two will be what transpires, and we have enough ammunition for the long haul...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If Joe Biden wins we will all need to get a gun.

While I get your point, I would go even further and say that, regardless of who wins, you'll want a gun.

If Biden wins, entitled negroes will see no reason why they can't just come and take your shit and do as they please to you and yours. After all, you're white and Biden's President, so they know their crimes against you will go unpunished. You'll need a gun to protect yourself.

If Trump wins, negroes are gonna' be mad, and will lash out and try to destroy what decent people have. Well, if they choose to do that at here, they'll be shot. We don't play those kinds of bullshit games in my neighborhood, and my cop neighbors and retired Marine sniper neighbor all feel the same. We don't care if you're angry. Go ahead and be angry. Just understand that if you try to take it out on us, you're in for a fight you're not going to win.

I believe the latter of the two will be what transpires, and we have enough ammunition for the long haul...

When Trump wins, don't look for angry blacks. Blacks did very well under the President before the Chinese virus. It will be the whites that will cause civil unrest. It's those angry little pussy hat wearing basement dwellers you need to be on the watch for.

Politics is of little interest to many blacks. White kids, indoctrinated in colleges, are the folks who get totally involved in our politics. They've been brainwashed to believe that America is a terrible place; that capitalism is the foe of all humanity. It's up to them to get totally involved to change this evil nation to a Socialist/ Communist rule.

So when Trump wins, don't look for any blacks like this.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Just curious, did FOX ever run any peaceful protest footage, or only when some rioting took place? Making you think it was non stop rioting? INSTILLING FEAR FEAR FEAR....

Remember, this unrest that you fear, is happening under Trump's reign, not Joe Biden's.

Biden likely would have less civil unrest...He wouldn't be fuelling the flames via TWEET.

And governors would trust him, When offering federal help.

If you want more safety, then vote Biden!

You are ignorant if are trying to blame any tweet for this nonsense.........its the lefties using the OLD FEAR and CHAOS to try to seize power trick---something they have used often including in Socialist Nazi Germany. The dem governors obviously don't care about their people dying (and again how crazy to blame a twee) if they are letting criminals and terrorists attack their people instead of accepting help from a man because they supposedly don't like his tweets............


Why do all the trump haters lack the ability to apply logic to anything?

Biden would not and can not bring safety...the dems allowing the criminals and terrorists who they let out of prison and other places to attack has in essence fed the sharks a taste for blood---they will not stop their attacks without being hit back with more violence. Sorry it is human nature of the ignorant that once you reward their bad behavior they will continue on.

You are nuts, newbie!
The federal govt help has been accepted in Kenosha.... what the heck do you think the FBI, ATF, and US Marshal are...?

Of course Biden would have handled the States and this unrest better than Trump (and Trump Tv promoting it,) with the different State Governments. President Trump has no idea how to govern....

all of this crap going on is amplified by his inability to even understand how government is suppose to work in a Democratic Republic....

Yeah, that is right Biden would have handled it differently---much worse. There is a reason why the riots are happening in dem mismanaged areas. Geebus

 

[Canon Shooter]

So when Trump wins, don't look for any blacks like this.

I recently posted a story about how I was giving change to a black woman, and one of the dollar bills had "TRUMP" written across the face of it. She threw the dollar bill back towards me, across the counter and onto the floor.

"I don't want that one. Got 'TRUMP' written on it. Gimme' another one."

I told her I didn't have another (a lie) so I gave her that dollar's worth of change in pennies, nickels and, I believe, one dime.

There's no shortage of Trump-hating negroes...

 

[JoeB131]

Why is it that anti-gun extremists of all types have to lie and lie and lie in order to push their side of the debate?

Because you guys are fucking crazy and have no decency.

 

[JoeB131]

I recently posted a story about how I was giving change to a black woman, and one of the dollar bills had "TRUMP" written across the face of it. She threw the dollar bill back towards me, across the counter and onto the floor.

"I don't want that one. Got 'TRUMP' written on it. Gimme' another one."

I told her I didn't have another (a lie) so I gave her that dollar's worth of change in pennies, nickels and, I believe, one dime.

There's no shortage of Trump-hating negroes...

You realize it's a federal crime to deface the currency, right?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So when Trump wins, don't look for any blacks like this.

I recently posted a story about how I was giving change to a black woman, and one of the dollar bills had "TRUMP" written across the face of it. She threw the dollar bill back towards me, across the counter and onto the floor.

"I don't want that one. Got 'TRUMP' written on it. Gimme' another one."

I told her I didn't have another (a lie) so I gave her that dollar's worth of change in pennies, nickels and, I believe, one dime.

There's no shortage of Trump-hating negroes...

I'm sure there are, but they are not as radical as the snowflake whites when it comes to politics. I think politics gets under our skin more than theirs because it's a subject well studied with us.

What many blacks understand about politics, they get from people like Oprah or LeBoob James; just generalizations and talking points. While each are very talented in their own fields, they are total idiots when it comes to politics. It's the same with those Hollywood goofs.

The Democrats understand that much of their vote comes from politically ignorant voters. The Obama phone and Obama money type of people who get their political knowledge from entertainers insisted of reliable news sources.

So what you have are the blind leading the blind, and that's quite frightening when you think about it.

 

[Canon Shooter]

I recently posted a story about how I was giving change to a black woman, and one of the dollar bills had "TRUMP" written across the face of it. She threw the dollar bill back towards me, across the counter and onto the floor.

"I don't want that one. Got 'TRUMP' written on it. Gimme' another one."

I told her I didn't have another (a lie) so I gave her that dollar's worth of change in pennies, nickels and, I believe, one dime.

There's no shortage of Trump-hating negroes...

You realize it's a federal crime to deface the currency, right?

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's not.

Regardless, I'm not the one who wrote on the bill and, unless you can prove that possessing currency that's written on is a crime, there's really not much to discuss...

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's not.

Regardless, I'm not the one who wrote on the bill and, unless you can prove that possessing currency that's written on is a crime, there's really not much to discuss...

Is it illegal to deface a US currency?

While this video may be ridiculously awesome, because Bill Murray is super cool, have you ever wondered if it is illegal to deface or alter a U.S. bank note?

abc13.com

 

[Canon Shooter]

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's not.

Regardless, I'm not the one who wrote on the bill and, unless you can prove that possessing currency that's written on is a crime, there's really not much to discuss...

Is it illegal to deface a US currency?

While this video may be ridiculously awesome, because Bill Murray is super cool, have you ever wondered if it is illegal to deface or alter a U.S. bank note?

abc13.com

Is Stamping Money Illegal? - Defacing US Currency -Stamp Stampede Q&A

Varying schools of thought. I believe there's a requirement for an intent to deceive.

I don't believe anyone's ever been charged with writing on money...

 

[Flash]

I am well known in my area for ARs. I have built for Sheriff's Deputies and others. I shoot them every week. I have 30 of them myself.

In the last month I have received dozens of calls from people wanting to get ARs. They have sold out of the ARs and other guns in the local gun stores. They are hard to get on line. The gun show this last weekend ARs were selling for twice the price that they were a couple of months ago.

Ammo is almost impossible to find.

People in general are concerned for their safety and they don't have any any faith in the police to protect them when their bosses are Democrats.

Luckily we have a great Sheriff in my county (Grady Judd). Last week a man tired to break into a woman's home and she she shot him. Sheriff Judd congratulated her for a good kill.