If man evolved from monkeys, where are the monkeys that half-evolved into men?

[Bonzi]

Certainly, there ought to be a species of monkey that had half-evolved into a man, maybe half as smart as men, maybe able to read and write simple sentences, or able to drive a car or ride a horse?

But there is no such species as a half-man, half-monkey.

True, they have been able to teach sign language to apes, but it takes a great deal of human effort to do this, and you must feed apes constantly to keep them interested.

A human baby does not need treats to motivate it to learn, it is motivated by the learning process itself.

I've always wondered that myself. Such a flawed theory...

 

[MarkDuffy]

Bacteria never becomes a higher form.

Because bacteria themselves are a single branch of an evolutionary tree. The branch off of which bacteria spawned, Eukaryota, eventually led to animals, and on that journey branched off into several different evolutionary branches such as fungi and plants.

So DNA mutates in beneficial ways. Name one mutation in the history of mankind.

Most mutations are deleterious. Most of the rest are neutral.

One way Evolution occurs is when a buildup of mutated alleles in a population are finally expressed AND they pass the natural selection test that tries to eliminate them.

There are many mechanisms to evolution, not just mutation.

You must realize that all organisms are already finely turned to their environments, so there is no reason for new populations to arise. Something must change first, usually in the environment.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Name one mutation in the history of mankind.

Skin pigmentation, hair color, eye color, height, body shape, intelligence, disease resistance and susceptibility, and several thousand other permutation. Variation in all of these are due to variations in the human genome.

I said name a mutation. You simply listed DNA information that has existed throughout mankind.

 

[fncceo]

Is it an unladen New World monkey?

It's labeled on the chart as Pliopithecus (discovered nearly 200 years ago). It is actually less evolved than a modern gibbon with a shorter tail and only partial stereo vision.

And these is what they found.
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Here is a modern ape skull:

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I can see quite a few differences between the two. For example, the two zygomatic processes on either cheek and lack of mandibular fossae mean that the facial musculature and how the skull was attached to the neck is quite different from that of a modern ape. The orbital sockets are spaced wider than on a modern ape, meaning the Pliopithecus lacked stereoscopic vision and had vision more like a lower mammal.

 

[fncceo]

I said name a mutation. You simply listed DNA information that has existed throughout mankind.

You're catching on. Any change to the genome is a mutation. At one point, someone was born with fair hair or skin. Or the ability to roll their tongue. They may have been born with a longer bone structure. Any of these mutation would have been passed to their offspring.

Mankind has existed for more than a million years. Someone had to be first.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Bacteria never becomes a higher form.

Because bacteria themselves are a single branch of an evolutionary tree. The branch off of which bacteria spawned, Eukaryota, eventually led to animals, and on that journey branched off into several different evolutionary branches such as fungi and plants.

So DNA mutates in beneficial ways. Name one mutation in the history of mankind.

Most mutations are deleterious. Most of the rest are neutral.

One way Evolution occurs is when a buildup of mutated alleles in a population are finally expressed AND they pass the natural selection test that tries to eliminate them.

There are many mechanisms to evolution, not just mutation.

Really? Name one condition of a missing or additional chromosome that has no effect.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I said name a mutation. You simply listed DNA information that has existed throughout mankind.

You're catching on. Any change to the genome is a mutation. At one point, someone was born with fair hair or skin. Or the ability to roll their tongue. They may have been born with a longer bone structure. Any of these mutation would have been passed to their offspring.

Are you unaware that all code is there already? A person with fair skin also has the code for dark skin in their DNA.

 

[MarkDuffy]

The problem with most religionists and why they come up with missing link arguments, is that they, like Chuck Darwin, believe evolution is a slow constant process.

Chuck was wrong. The history of life is extremely long periods of stasis (no evolution) followed by the rapid radiation of of new species due mainly to environmental changes.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Is it an unladen New World monkey?

It's labeled on the chart as Pliopithecus (discovered nearly 200 years ago). It is actually less evolved than a modern gibbon with a shorter tail and only partial stereo vision.

And these is what they found.
View attachment 138375

Here is a modern ape skull:

View attachment 138376

I can see quite a few differences between the two. For example, the two zygomatic processes on either cheek and lack of mandibular fossae mean that the facial musculature and how the skull was attached to the neck is quite different from that of a modern ape. The orbital sockets are spaced wider than on a modern ape, meaning the Pliopithecus lacked stereoscopic vision and had vision more like a lower mammal.

 

[fncceo]

Really? Name one condition of a missing or additional chromosome that has no effect.

A mutation isn't a missing or additional chromosome. The number of chromosomes in each organism is fixed. Humans, for example, have 46. A flea has 14. A mutation is a variation in the coding of a gene (20,000 or so make up a single human chromosome). If the constituent nucleotides that make up that gene are out of sequence or unreadable, the code they represent will not be passed to the replicating cell.

 

[MarkDuffy]

There is no argument between the God hypothesis and evolution.

Evolution is not Creation. Evolution occurs when one population of organisms gives rise to a different population.

Evolution occurs AFTER Creation.

You religionists are arguing with something else ~ Abiogenesis ~ and that is NOT Evolution.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Really? Name one condition of a missing or additional chromosome that has no effect.

A mutation isn't a missing or additional chromosome. The number of chromosomes in each organism is fixed. Humans, for example, have 46. A flea has 14. A mutation is a variation in the coding of a gene (20,000 or so make up a single human chromosome). If the constituent nucleotides that make up that gene are out of sequence or unreadable, the code they represent will not be passed to the replicating cell.

Now you are catching on. The number of chromosomes is fixed. We did not slowly gain additional chromosomes in an evolutionary process.

And there are over 30,000 genes in the human genome. One misspelling or out of place in any segment of a strand likely means disease. Not an improved condition.

 

[fncceo]

The number of chromosomes is fixed. We did not slowly gain additional chromosomes in an evolutionary process.

Actually, that's not true either. I should have said, in most cases. Actually, the number of chromosomes in an organism can vary both numerically and by structure. However, this happens much less frequently than gene permutations and these tend to be more severe mutations. Very, very few are beneficial, many are neutral, some are catastrophic. But they do occur and are transmitted genetically,

As an organism becomes more complex, the number of potential variations increase, but those variations become more subtle.

 

[MarkDuffy]

Bacteria never becomes a higher form.

Because bacteria themselves are a single branch of an evolutionary tree. The branch off of which bacteria spawned, Eukaryota, eventually led to animals, and on that journey branched off into several different evolutionary branches such as fungi and plants.

So DNA mutates in beneficial ways. Name one mutation in the history of mankind.

Most mutations are deleterious. Most of the rest are neutral.

One way Evolution occurs is when a buildup of mutated alleles in a population are finally expressed AND they pass the natural selection test that tries to eliminate them.

There are many mechanisms to evolution, not just mutation.

Really? Name one condition of a missing or additional chromosome that has no effect.

A chromosome is a hell of a bunch of DNA. Where did you come up with that nonsense?

 

[rightwinger]

 

[Weatherman2020]

The number of chromosomes is fixed. We did not slowly gain additional chromosomes in an evolutionary process.

Actually, that's not true either. I should have said, in most cases. Actually, the number of chromosomes in an organism can vary both numerically and by structure. However, this happens much less frequently than gene permutations and these tend to be more severe mutations. Very, very few are beneficial, many are neutral, some are catastrophic. But they do occur and are transmitted genetically,

As an organism becomes more complex, the number of potential variations increase, but those variations become more subtle.

There has never been an instance of a mutation being beneficial. The only thing you cite is a submissive gene becoming dominate. But the code was already there.

 

[MarkDuffy]

Name one mutation in the history of mankind.

Skin pigmentation, hair color, eye color, height, body shape, intelligence, disease resistance and susceptibility, and several thousand other permutation. Variation in all of these are due to variations in the human genome.

I said name a mutation. You simply listed DNA information that has existed throughout mankind.

Actually, all those examples are not single points. Hair colors for example are allelle complexes. You can have a point mutation in a hair color allele complex and the color does not change.

 

[fncceo]

One misspelling or out of place in any segment of a strand likely means disease. Not an improved condition.

A misspelling in a gene can lead to blue eyes in a child with brown-eyed parents (and accusations of marital infidelity). It can lead to a cleft chin or longer limbs. It's difficult to see in our pampered world how any of these permutations might lead to preferential survival ... But, for creatures, they exist in a very narrow window between procreation and extinction, any change could lead to one or the other.

 

[MarkDuffy]

Certainly, there ought to be a species of monkey that had half-evolved into a man, maybe half as smart as men, maybe able to read and write simple sentences, or able to drive a car or ride a horse?

But there is no such species as a half-man, half-monkey.

True, they have been able to teach sign language to apes, but it takes a great deal of human effort to do this, and you must feed apes constantly to keep them interested.

A human baby does not need treats to motivate it to learn, it is motivated by the learning process itself.

I've always wondered that myself. Such a flawed theory...

You are thinking that a monkey wants to be human. They are anatomically different. Monkeys do not have a hand architecture to write. They have no problem communicating.

You want them to write. They don't care.

 

[fncceo]

ou can have a point mutation in a hair color allele complex and the color does not change.

True, because the DNA of both parents comes into play. An unreadable segment in one parent might be passed on by the other. However, if we except that humans had a single distinctively human ancestor, each of those variations began as a mutation in DNA.