If Ted Cruz Was Born in Canada, He Cannot Be President: PERIOD

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What if: Cruz's mom was an American citizen living in Russia...married a Cuban...had a child. Would that child be considered a natural born U.S. Citizen by the Right? Living in Iran? Living in Mexico?

He would still be a US citizen.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When was Cruz naturalized?

Doesn't matter. He wasn't born on US soil. He is a natural citizen of Canada at birth. That is forbidden. If we were talking about Obama being a natural citizen of Kenya at birth, you wouldn't question it. Obama would not have been eligible to be president.

How many times must the concept of jus sanguinis be explained to you?

 

[mdk]

How many times must the concept of jus sanguinis be explained to you?

You clearly don't know Sil very well. Once she has something in her head it doesn't matter how many facts you introduce. You can explain jus sanguinis until the cows come home and it won't make the slightest difference.

 

[dannyboys]

Wrong. The US Constitution states that a President must be a natural born citizen of the United States; it does not specify that he be born on US soil.

That you will find will be spelled out very clearly for you in the coming SCOTUS challenge. There's a reason the founding fathers made a distinction between "naturalized" and "natural born". And you, as well as every other person on the planet knows that the founding fathers meant "born on US/territory soil". Their intent will be explored to find that conclusion. And of course the whole reason for the inclusion of the specification for JUST POTUS in this way was so that any child's formative years (and innate patriotism) would be spent imprinted on US soil. Otherwise, the Court will find that a US serviceman could sire a child on leave anywhere on earth and by circumventing the intent of the founding fathers, have that child...Abdullah Akbar or Ivan Kasikov be "legally" eligible for POTUS.

Not a good idea. That's what the Court will find. You can drive a nail in the wall and hang your hat on it.

There's a reason the founding fathers made a distinction between "naturalized" and "natural born".

Cruz was naturalized when? LOL!

And of course the whole reason for the inclusion of the specification for JUST POTUS in this way was so that any child's formative years (and innate patriotism) would be spent imprinted on US soil.

And by the age of 4, he was irreversibly Canadian, eh?

Did you grow up with him asshole?
Cruz simply had to go into a US embassy in Canada with the necessary papers proving his mother was a US citizen and fill out a form 'declaring himself' a citizen of the United States. Period.
You can waste your fucking time whining about it but the facts are the facts.
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong. The US Constitution states that a President must be a natural born citizen of the United States; it does not specify that he be born on US soil.

That you will find will be spelled out very clearly for you in the coming SCOTUS challenge. There's a reason the founding fathers made a distinction between "naturalized" and "natural born". And you, as well as every other person on the planet knows that the founding fathers meant "born on US/territory soil". Their intent will be explored to find that conclusion. And of course the whole reason for the inclusion of the specification for JUST POTUS in this way was so that any child's formative years (and innate patriotism) would be spent imprinted on US soil. Otherwise, the Court will find that a US serviceman could sire a child on leave anywhere on earth and by circumventing the intent of the founding fathers, have that child...Abdullah Akbar or Ivan Kasikov be "legally" eligible for POTUS.

Not a good idea. That's what the Court will find. You can drive a nail in the wall and hang your hat on it.

There's a reason the founding fathers made a distinction between "naturalized" and "natural born".

Cruz was naturalized when? LOL!

And of course the whole reason for the inclusion of the specification for JUST POTUS in this way was so that any child's formative years (and innate patriotism) would be spent imprinted on US soil.

And by the age of 4, he was irreversibly Canadian, eh?

Did you grow up with him asshole?
Cruz simply had to go into a US embassy in Canada with the necessary papers proving his mother was a US citizen and fill out a form 'declaring himself' a citizen of the United States. Period.
You can waste your fucking time whining about it but the facts are the facts.
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock

A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be the genetic or the gestational parent and the legal parent of the child under local law at the time and place of the child’s birth to transmit U.S. citizenship.

Did you grow up with him asshole?

Mocking his idiocy makes me an asshole? LOL!

 

[Syriusly]

What if: Cruz's mom was an American citizen living in Russia...married a Cuban...had a child. Would that child be considered a natural born U.S. Citizen by the Right? Living in Iran? Living in Mexico?

I thought the Right thought 'Socialist' Canada was just one step removed from Communist Cuba anyway....

 

[Liminal]

Wrong. The US Constitution states that a President must be a natural born citizen of the United States; it does not specify that he be born on US soil.

That you will find will be spelled out very clearly for you in the coming SCOTUS challenge. There's a reason the founding fathers made a distinction between "naturalized" and "natural born". And you, as well as every other person on the planet knows that the founding fathers meant "born on US/territory soil". Their intent will be explored to find that conclusion. And of course the whole reason for the inclusion of the specification for JUST POTUS in this way was so that any child's formative years (and innate patriotism) would be spent imprinted on US soil. Otherwise, the Court will find that a US serviceman could sire a child on leave anywhere on earth and by circumventing the intent of the founding fathers, have that child...Abdullah Akbar or Ivan Kasikov be "legally" eligible for POTUS.

Not a good idea. That's what the Court will find. You can drive a nail in the wall and hang your hat on it.

No, wrong again. Evidently no one knows exactly what the founding fathers meant. And personally I don't give a shit about all the contemporary political justifications for your alleged position.

 

[Syriusly]

When was Cruz naturalized?

Doesn't matter. He wasn't born on US soil. He is a natural citizen of Canada at birth. That is forbidden. If we were talking about Obama being a natural citizen of Kenya at birth, you wouldn't question it. Obama would not have been eligible to be president.

Like everything Silhouette posts- she is just posting what she believes the law should be- without any relevance to the actual law.

Cruz, assuming his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth- is a natural born citizen.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Cruz, assuming his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth- is a natural born citizen.

No, he's an American citizen by birth to an American mother but is he a "natural born" citizen when born, in Canada (a place not under US jurisdiction)? That is a question for the Supreme Court and they have never ruled on such a thing.

 

[Syriusly]

Cruz, assuming his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth- is a natural born citizen.

No, he's an American citizen by birth to an American mother but is he a "natural born" citizen when born, in Canada (a place not under US jurisdiction)? That is a question for the Supreme Court and they have never ruled on such a thing.

It is a question for the Supreme Court- but doubt that they think it is one needing an answer.

I detest Cruz- but I think he is eligible- though not qualified. There are two kinds of citizenship- and there is no record he was ever naturalized.

I doubt the courts will resolve it- I suspect that they will consider it a political matter- and I also suspect that the only persons the courts will consider to have 'standing' to file suit, would be another candidate- which if Trump and Cruz are close going into the convention- I predict Trump will file suit- claiming it is for America- and blame it on Democrats- and Cruz.

 

[Unkotare]

Like all your other predictions, genius?

Yes, ...

So, Tokyo is empty, genius?

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Ted Cruz is a citizen by statute. A statutory Citizen (bestowed by man's pen/Positive Law) can not be made into a natural-born Citizen (bestowed by God/Natural Law). He is not eligible.

 

[pwjohn]

I don't think Cruz is eligible to run for president. imo

You would be wrong.

In this case, you're wrong.

 

[Katzndogz]

No matter who or how many have the personal opinion that Cruz cannot run for president or serve as president, the fact is that he can.

Rather than kicking the eligibility can all over the planet by dismissing actions on technicalities, the court should just rule on the issue.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't think Cruz is eligible to run for president. imo

You would be wrong.

In this case, you're wrong.

Nope. Every person that claims he is ineligible is not looking at the laws and what it says. He is a natural born citizen by blood.

it is just like the people who complain about Obama's "sealed" college records. He didn't seal a darn thing. Those records are sealed by federal law for everyone! The law is called FERPA.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Ted Cruz was born as a citizen of the USA. Period.

He did not have to get a passport and immigrate here.

This has been reviewed ad nauseum. If he had been born in Canada to a mother who was not a citizen it would be different.

Even if the moonbat messiah had been born in Kenya, he would still be a citizen. I loathe the air that meat muppet queer steals from us, but the arguement is moot. His birth is only shady because he was Frank Marshal Davis' bastard son, not the son of a Kenya exchange student.

I suggest the literal translation of the 14th Amendment (Sec. 1) solves the argument:


"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside".

"Born in" seems to be the clincher.

 

[Silhouette]

No matter who or how many have the personal opinion that Cruz cannot run for president or serve as president, the fact is that he can.

Rather than kicking the eligibility can all over the planet by dismissing actions on technicalities, the court should just rule on the issue.

Actually, the facts are that he CAN'T run. And as I said in the OP, it bums me out. I was looking to vote for the guy possibly. He was one of my top four picks anyway. If a US mom can drop a kid who is a natural born citizen of another country, then a US dad can sire a kid dropped on foreign soil as a natural born citizen of another country. Everyone knows what "natural born" is. You can't pull the wool over the method upon which most nations define new citizenship by birth. So, as easily as a US mom drops a Canadian baby is as easy as a US dad sires an Iranian baby. Neither are eligible to become POTUS. Senator, perhaps, upon naturalization. But naturalization is not "natural born". This is common household knowledge stuff here. Which is why it stuns me he was ever allowed to run...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ted Cruz is a citizen by statute. A statutory Citizen (bestowed by man's pen/Positive Law) can not be made into a natural-born Citizen (bestowed by God/Natural Law). He is not eligible.

The Constitution doesn't back up your claim.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ted Cruz was born as a citizen of the USA. Period.

He did not have to get a passport and immigrate here.

This has been reviewed ad nauseum. If he had been born in Canada to a mother who was not a citizen it would be different.

Even if the moonbat messiah had been born in Kenya, he would still be a citizen. I loathe the air that meat muppet queer steals from us, but the arguement is moot. His birth is only shady because he was Frank Marshal Davis' bastard son, not the son of a Kenya exchange student.

I suggest the literal translation of the 14th Amendment (Sec. 1) solves the argument:


"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside".

"Born in" seems to be the clincher.

"Born in" seems to be the clincher.

If only it said all others were excluded, you'd have a point.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No matter who or how many have the personal opinion that Cruz cannot run for president or serve as president, the fact is that he can.

Rather than kicking the eligibility can all over the planet by dismissing actions on technicalities, the court should just rule on the issue.

Actually, the facts are that he CAN'T run. And as I said in the OP, it bums me out. I was looking to vote for the guy possibly. He was one of my top four picks anyway. If a US mom can drop a kid who is a natural born citizen of another country, then a US dad can sire a kid dropped on foreign soil as a natural born citizen of another country. Everyone knows what "natural born" is. You can't pull the wool over the method upon which most nations define new citizenship by birth. So, as easily as a US mom drops a Canadian baby is as easy as a US dad sires an Iranian baby. Neither are eligible to become POTUS. Senator, perhaps, upon naturalization. But naturalization is not "natural born". This is common household knowledge stuff here. Which is why it stuns me he was ever allowed to run...

So, as easily as a US mom drops a Canadian baby is as easy as a US dad sires an Iranian baby. Neither are eligible to become POTUS. Senator, perhaps, upon naturalization.

When was Cruz naturalized? What did he have to do to be naturalized? Any naturalization paperwork?