If the Dem, whoever it is, wins in Nov. he will be faced with a monumental task

[Crepitus]

Good point. The ranks of decent, competent, hard working, non-partisan civil servants (like Marie Yovanovitch) have been devastated by a litmus test for government employment based on political considerations at the expense of expertise.

Amb. Yovanovitch was hardly "non partisan". In fact she was an appointee of Extremist President B.Hussein O.

The "extremist president"?

LMf'nAO!!!!!!

Obama gave this country a Risky Medical Scheme as well as Homosexual Marriage. I'd call that pretty extreme indeed

Nothing extreme about healthcare for all. Every other developed nation already has it. Also nothing extreme about same sex marriage. I mean seriously, how does that affect you? Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Problem solved.

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

 

[martybegan]

Amb. Yovanovitch was hardly "non partisan". In fact she was an appointee of Extremist President B.Hussein O.

The "extremist president"?

LMf'nAO!!!!!!

Obama gave this country a Risky Medical Scheme as well as Homosexual Marriage. I'd call that pretty extreme indeed

Nothing extreme about healthcare for all. Every other developed nation already has it. Also nothing extreme about same sex marriage. I mean seriously, how does that affect you? Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Problem solved.

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

Well you asked how it would affect people.

 

[Polishprince]

Because everything Capt. Chaos has done needs to be undone.

First, the US needs to re-engage with the rest of the world in fighting climate change. Every other issue pales in comparison to this one in importance since the survival of the planet hinges on how aggressively we take on the problem.

It's going to be very difficult to put the tax cut genie back in the bottle but taxes will have to be raised. The increase in the deficit (which is the one thing supporting this economy) is unsustainable. It may take some time as a recession is inevitable. Typically that's when tax cuts are enacted and stimulative interest rate cuts are made. These measures have already taken place to keep Baby Donald's fragile economy afloat. So the government will be severely hamstrung when the recession comes.

Civility and integrity must be restored to the office of the POTUS. Pathological lying must end, indifference to policy details must end, the end of pep rallies, the end of boorish tweets, the end of thin skinned attacks on any critic, the end of the degradation of foundational institutions, the end of nepotism, the end of profiteering from holding the office, the end of purging civil servants based on loyalty tests...........it all has to stop.

The endless sabotage of the ACA must cease. The original goal of democratizing the cost of health insurance by expanding the pool of those insured is fundamentally sound. Beyond that, medical cost inflation must be brought under control. The free market has failed miserably in that endeavor and so by necessity government controls need to be instituted as they are, successfully, in the rest of the industrialized world.

We must repair international relations. Enemies like China and Russia are most effectively taken on by building coalitions with like minded countries. Not by putting "America first." Idiotic, jingoistic slogans like "globalists" need to give way to realization alliances make us stronger, not weaker.

Gun violence is arguably the top public safety issue after climate change. There are no perfect solutions to eliminating gun violence but measures must be taken to do what we can to reduce it based on empirical data. To that end, a national commission should be organized to study the problem and make recommendations to be considered.

Immigration reform along the lines of the bipartisan bill passed by the Senate in 2013 (and killed by the coward known as John Boehner in the House) needs to be enacted. A Guide to S.744: Understanding the 2013 Senate Immigration Bill

Obviously, this is just a partial list. The damage to the country brought on by the reign of corruption and incompetence by the ignorant fool known as President Shithole and his enablers is extensive and can not be reversed over night. Naturally, efforts at repair will be fought be the remnants of the cult of Trumpery. The Following's blind devotion to the fact free construct Don and right wing media has created will not be easy to extinguish since the media cohort spewing lies and distortions of the truth will remain even after the Orange Fraud is gone off the stage. But they must be marginalized. Reduced to the whining bar stool cranks and bigots that they are. Hopefully, the GOP will make a comeback as the principled conservatives they once were. Before the rise of extremism, fueled by Faux and right wing talk radio, radicalized the party in to an angry mob intolerant of anyone not like them.

Interesting thoughts here. So you are for Massive increases in taxes for 2021, as well as destruction of America's Fossil Fuel industry for the putative purpose of fighting against the Climate. Will Sleepy Joe admit this is debates, like Walter Mondale did?

My prince, I didn't see a call for "massive" tax increases, or for destruction of the fossil fuel industry, although that is being done by private industries and utilities even as we post.
As for berg80's post, it is so cogent It makes me ashamed of my pitiful mewlings. Kudo's to berg! Please keep it up!

Apparently, you missed the Liberal proposal called the New Green Deal. The end of fracking is a key point, and believe me, that's the end of fossil fuel industry in America and the result will be the Economic Decimation of the American Heartland.

 

[Crepitus]

The "extremist president"?

LMf'nAO!!!!!!

Obama gave this country a Risky Medical Scheme as well as Homosexual Marriage. I'd call that pretty extreme indeed

Nothing extreme about healthcare for all. Every other developed nation already has it. Also nothing extreme about same sex marriage. I mean seriously, how does that affect you? Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Problem solved.

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

Well you asked how it would affect people.

By making a baker bake?

Oh the humanity!!!

 

[martybegan]

Obama gave this country a Risky Medical Scheme as well as Homosexual Marriage. I'd call that pretty extreme indeed

Nothing extreme about healthcare for all. Every other developed nation already has it. Also nothing extreme about same sex marriage. I mean seriously, how does that affect you? Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Problem solved.

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

Well you asked how it would affect people.

By making a baker bake?

Oh the humanity!!!

It's an impact. And it's really about your side needing to win 100% and to force acceptance, not just tolerance.

For the person in question, it's an issue about their morality.

The fact your side can't even compromise on something as simple as this shows you can't be worked with on other issues like gun control.

 

[BluesLegend]

taxes will have to be raised.

LMAO go ahead run on raising taxes the Dem party will go down in flames.

 

[Crepitus]

Nothing extreme about healthcare for all. Every other developed nation already has it. Also nothing extreme about same sex marriage. I mean seriously, how does that affect you? Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Problem solved.

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

Well you asked how it would affect people.

By making a baker bake?

Oh the humanity!!!

It's an impact. And it's really about your side needing to win 100% and to force acceptance, not just tolerance.

For the person in question, it's an issue about their morality.

The fact your side can't even compromise on something as simple as this shows you can't be worked with on other issues like gun control.

A baker bakes. You gonna be in business you're in business. Discrimination is illegal here. Bake your cakes. Bake them for white people and black, bake them for gay people and straight, bake them for all or don't bake at all. That's the law.

 

[Polishprince]

Obama gave this country a Risky Medical Scheme as well as Homosexual Marriage. I'd call that pretty extreme indeed

Nothing extreme about healthcare for all. Every other developed nation already has it. Also nothing extreme about same sex marriage. I mean seriously, how does that affect you? Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Problem solved.

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

Well you asked how it would affect people.

By making a baker bake?

Oh the humanity!!!

I guess you have a problem with the 13th Amendment which prohibits Slavery. Normatives are not the slaves of the Homos.

 

[BlindBoo]

Just to take a reality break...
1. The senate will likely stay GOP based on the fact that Doug Jones is toast in AL, and the 4 toss-ups all won't go democrat.
2. The House will likely swing back to the GOP because the 31 seats the dems won in 2018 in Trump districts will most likely swing back to the GOP since Trump has a 95% approval rating among Republicans
3. So even if Joe ekes out a presidential win he won't be able to do much damage.
More likely Trump will win re-election, just based on Joe being so old and obviously has dementia.

If this scenario does happen the GOP House will need to start impeachment hearings in Feb 2021.

I predict it will be a totally unfair process that excludes the opposition. The President can just ignore all requests for information, because it is up to the President and his party to determine the legitimacy of the impeachment process.

Besides he'll be totally exonerated!

 

[berg80]

Apparently, you missed the Liberal proposal called the New Green Deal.

We need to move quickly towards reducing a massive amount of carbon emissions. How that is done is open for discussion. But the debate over whether it needs to be done is over if you accept the science.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Because everything Capt. Chaos has done needs to be undone.

First, the US needs to re-engage with the rest of the world in fighting climate change. Every other issue pales in comparison to this one in importance since the survival of the planet hinges on how aggressively we take on the problem.

It's going to be very difficult to put the tax cut genie back in the bottle but taxes will have to be raised. The increase in the deficit (which is the one thing supporting this economy) is unsustainable. It may take some time as a recession is inevitable. Typically that's when tax cuts are enacted and stimulative interest rate cuts are made. These measures have already taken place to keep Baby Donald's fragile economy afloat. So the government will be severely hamstrung when the recession comes.

Civility and integrity must be restored to the office of the POTUS. Pathological lying must end, indifference to policy details must end, the end of pep rallies, the end of boorish tweets, the end of thin skinned attacks on any critic, the end of the degradation of foundational institutions, the end of nepotism, the end of profiteering from holding the office, the end of purging civil servants based on loyalty tests...........it all has to stop.

The endless sabotage of the ACA must cease. The original goal of democratizing the cost of health insurance by expanding the pool of those insured is fundamentally sound. Beyond that, medical cost inflation must be brought under control. The free market has failed miserably in that endeavor and so by necessity government controls need to be instituted as they are, successfully, in the rest of the industrialized world.

We must repair international relations. Enemies like China and Russia are most effectively taken on by building coalitions with like minded countries. Not by putting "America first." Idiotic, jingoistic slogans like "globalists" need to give way to realization alliances make us stronger, not weaker.

Gun violence is arguably the top public safety issue after climate change. There are no perfect solutions to eliminating gun violence but measures must be taken to do what we can to reduce it based on empirical data. To that end, a national commission should be organized to study the problem and make recommendations to be considered.

Immigration reform along the lines of the bipartisan bill passed by the Senate in 2013 (and killed by the coward known as John Boehner in the House) needs to be enacted. A Guide to S.744: Understanding the 2013 Senate Immigration Bill

Obviously, this is just a partial list. The damage to the country brought on by the reign of corruption and incompetence by the ignorant fool known as President Shithole and his enablers is extensive and can not be reversed over night. Naturally, efforts at repair will be fought be the remnants of the cult of Trumpery. The Following's blind devotion to the fact free construct Don and right wing media has created will not be easy to extinguish since the media cohort spewing lies and distortions of the truth will remain even after the Orange Fraud is gone off the stage. But they must be marginalized. Reduced to the whining bar stool cranks and bigots that they are. Hopefully, the GOP will make a comeback as the principled conservatives they once were. Before the rise of extremism, fueled by Faux and right wing talk radio, radicalized the party in to an angry mob intolerant of anyone not like them.

/----/ "Because everything Capt. Chaos has done needs to be undone."
Dems need to Make America Miserable Again.

 

[kyzr]

Just to take a reality break...
1. The senate will likely stay GOP based on the fact that Doug Jones is toast in AL, and the 4 toss-ups all won't go democrat.
2. The House will likely swing back to the GOP because the 31 seats the dems won in 2018 in Trump districts will most likely swing back to the GOP since Trump has a 95% approval rating among Republicans
3. So even if Joe ekes out a presidential win he won't be able to do much damage.
More likely Trump will win re-election, just based on Joe being so old and obviously has dementia.

If this scenario does happen the GOP House will need to start impeachment hearings in Feb 2021.

I predict it will be a totally unfair process that excludes the opposition. The President can just ignore all requests for information, because it is up to the President and his party to determine the legitimacy of the impeachment process.

Besides he'll be totally exonerated!

Having Hunter Biden, Kerry's step-kid, and Whitey Bulger's nephew's investment firm skimming $billions from China in return for unfair trade deals sounds impeachable to me. We'll see how well Biden can tap-dance.

 

[martybegan]

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

Well you asked how it would affect people.

By making a baker bake?

Oh the humanity!!!

It's an impact. And it's really about your side needing to win 100% and to force acceptance, not just tolerance.

For the person in question, it's an issue about their morality.

The fact your side can't even compromise on something as simple as this shows you can't be worked with on other issues like gun control.

A baker bakes. You gonna be in business you're in business. Discrimination is illegal here. Bake your cakes. Bake them for white people and black, bake them for gay people and straight, bake them for all or don't bake at all. That's the law.

Again, all or nothing with you authoritarian assholes.

None of these businesses deny point of sale services to anyone, they just don't want to provide a specific product or service for a specific event they find morally objectionable.

Why is government force needed in this situation besides progressives need for everyone to think and act JUST LIKE THEY DO?

 

[OKTexas]

Because everything Capt. Chaos has done needs to be undone.

First, the US needs to re-engage with the rest of the world in fighting climate change. Every other issue pales in comparison to this one in importance since the survival of the planet hinges on how aggressively we take on the problem.

It's going to be very difficult to put the tax cut genie back in the bottle but taxes will have to be raised. The increase in the deficit (which is the one thing supporting this economy) is unsustainable. It may take some time as a recession is inevitable. Typically that's when tax cuts are enacted and stimulative interest rate cuts are made. These measures have already taken place to keep Baby Donald's fragile economy afloat. So the government will be severely hamstrung when the recession comes.

Civility and integrity must be restored to the office of the POTUS. Pathological lying must end, indifference to policy details must end, the end of pep rallies, the end of boorish tweets, the end of thin skinned attacks on any critic, the end of the degradation of foundational institutions, the end of nepotism, the end of profiteering from holding the office, the end of purging civil servants based on loyalty tests...........it all has to stop.

The endless sabotage of the ACA must cease. The original goal of democratizing the cost of health insurance by expanding the pool of those insured is fundamentally sound. Beyond that, medical cost inflation must be brought under control. The free market has failed miserably in that endeavor and so by necessity government controls need to be instituted as they are, successfully, in the rest of the industrialized world.

We must repair international relations. Enemies like China and Russia are most effectively taken on by building coalitions with like minded countries. Not by putting "America first." Idiotic, jingoistic slogans like "globalists" need to give way to realization alliances make us stronger, not weaker.

Gun violence is arguably the top public safety issue after climate change. There are no perfect solutions to eliminating gun violence but measures must be taken to do what we can to reduce it based on empirical data. To that end, a national commission should be organized to study the problem and make recommendations to be considered.

Immigration reform along the lines of the bipartisan bill passed by the Senate in 2013 (and killed by the coward known as John Boehner in the House) needs to be enacted. A Guide to S.744: Understanding the 2013 Senate Immigration Bill

Obviously, this is just a partial list. The damage to the country brought on by the reign of corruption and incompetence by the ignorant fool known as President Shithole and his enablers is extensive and can not be reversed over night. Naturally, efforts at repair will be fought be the remnants of the cult of Trumpery. The Following's blind devotion to the fact free construct Don and right wing media has created will not be easy to extinguish since the media cohort spewing lies and distortions of the truth will remain even after the Orange Fraud is gone off the stage. But they must be marginalized. Reduced to the whining bar stool cranks and bigots that they are. Hopefully, the GOP will make a comeback as the principled conservatives they once were. Before the rise of extremism, fueled by Faux and right wing talk radio, radicalized the party in to an angry mob intolerant of anyone not like them.

You fucking dumb ass, the 2013 senate immigration bill was unconstitutional. Bills that raise revenues have to originate in the house.

.

 

[blackhawk]

As the popular meme goes that is one big pile of shit.

 

[BlindBoo]

Nothing extreme about healthcare for all. Every other developed nation already has it. Also nothing extreme about same sex marriage. I mean seriously, how does that affect you? Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Problem solved.

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

Well you asked how it would affect people.

By making a baker bake?

Oh the humanity!!!

I guess you have a problem with the 13th Amendment which prohibits Slavery. Normatives are not the slaves of the Homos.

How does opening a business to the public constitute slavery? Why do you want to make those non-Normatives (lol) second class citizens?

 

[Crepitus]

Nothing extreme about healthcare for all. Every other developed nation already has it. Also nothing extreme about same sex marriage. I mean seriously, how does that affect you? Don't like gay marriage? Don't get gay married. Problem solved.

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

Well you asked how it would affect people.

By making a baker bake?

Oh the humanity!!!

I guess you have a problem with the 13th Amendment which prohibits Slavery. Normatives are not the slaves of the Homos.

Wow, dude. How do you stretch the Constitution like that without breaking it it?

 

[martybegan]

BAKE THAT FUCKING CAKE PEASANT.

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

Well you asked how it would affect people.

By making a baker bake?

Oh the humanity!!!

I guess you have a problem with the 13th Amendment which prohibits Slavery. Normatives are not the slaves of the Homos.

Wow, dude. How do you stretch the Constitution like that without breaking it it?

Kind of like how your side ignores the 1st and 2nd when it suits them.

 

[Crepitus]

None of these businesses deny point of sale services to anyone, they just don't want to provide a specific product or service for a specific event

Nifty contradictions that mean nothing. If you're in business you're obligated to do your business for everyone. Period.

 

[Crepitus]

Why? Need it for your gay marriage?

Well you asked how it would affect people.

By making a baker bake?

Oh the humanity!!!

I guess you have a problem with the 13th Amendment which prohibits Slavery. Normatives are not the slaves of the Homos.

Wow, dude. How do you stretch the Constitution like that without breaking it it?

Kind of like how your side ignores the 1st and 2nd when it suits them.

Yeah? When is that?