If we can't see an atom or a god, how do we 'prove' or 'disprove' these things exist, and do we even need proof?

[Procrustes Stretched]

Things can exist even if we can’t see them. Sometimes, they leave evidence of their existence even though the rings themselves can’t be seen.

I can’t see gravity. But we can see damn good evidence of it. And it can be calculated so well that we send rockets into space and use the gravitational effects of the inner planets to send them outward further and faster with great accuracy. So, the fact that I can’t see it doesn’t mean not doesn’t exist.

We have similar inferential evidence of the existence not just of atoms, but of electrons and quarks.

After that, things get complicated —because I think it’s also fair to say that: sometimes we see things occurring for which we have no proof of any underlying cause. So maybe it too is caused by things we cannot see. Or, maybe there is no such “thing” lying behind the effects.

But that’s pretty counter-intuitive.

For example, we recognize an order in our universe. Heck, we count on it. We often work mightily to ascertain what lies behind that order. I suppose it could be that patterns we observe (and rules which have far-flung applicability) are mere happenstance. Could be. But I think our collective experiences are nice informs us otherwise.

Science agrees. NASA.

Yes.

"sometimes we see things occurring for which we have no proof of any underlying cause?" - I'd say the fact that we see them is proof enough. An underlying cause? That is what we use science for in trying to find out. Of course science today does not negate, that there are things caused by things that we cannot see. That's okay. There is always something lying behind an effect ... cause.

Okay


We assume order. I'm not sure recognizing an order in our universe is language I would use here. What does it actually mean? Patterns? The human brain seeks patterns. Doesn't mean...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Atoms CAN be seen.

Let me know when you see one. I know they can be observed.

 

[dblack]

Let me know when you see one. I know they can be observed.

The folks living in Hiroshima a while back saw them.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Did I say anything about any demands?

I don’t think so.

Asking or wondering why breath can or cannot be seen, is a demand.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Who says we can't see atoms??

Tell me when you see one.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The folks living in Hiroshima a while back saw them.

please

They didn't see shit. The ones you're referencing saw nothing.

 

[dblack]

Tell me when you see one.

Looking at them right now.

 

[HikerGuy83]

If we can't see an atom or a god, how do we 'prove' or 'disprove' these things exist, and do we even need proof? Why would proof be needed or desired? If we do a thorough investigation seeking evidence of the atom and of a god, where will we find ourselves?

So far:

The atom:

Chapter 1: The Invisible Soccer Ball

" This book is devoted to one problem.... what are the ultimate building blocks of matter? " -pg 2 The beginning of the universe is just a ...

higgsscalarbosonparticle.blogspot.com

A god:
EMPTY - MPTY - MPT - MT - ___________________

Is this correct? If not, what am I missing? What scientific proof is there of a god existing?

Maybe you could jump off a high cliff.

Then come back and tell us what you found on the other side, if anything.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Beliefs in 'Divine creation' are infantile.

Amazing hubris.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Maybe you could jump off a high cliff.

Then come back and tell us what you found on the other side, if anything.

Id have to take my cat with me.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Amazing hubris.

Nah, just practical pragmatism.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Id have to take my cat with me.

As much as I'd like to think that he'd claw your face off on way down, I don't want to see a good cat leave he world.

Maybe you could take a picture of him with you.

 

[BackAgain]

Science agrees. NASA.

Yes.

"sometimes we see things occurring for which we have no proof of any underlying cause?" - I'd say the fact that we see them is proof enough. An underlying cause? That is what we use science for in trying to find out. Of course science today does not negate, that there are things caused by things that we cannot see. That's okay. There is always something lying behind an effect ... cause.

Okay


We assume order. I'm not sure recognizing an order in our universe is language I would use here. What does it actually mean? Patterns? The human brain seeks patterns. Doesn't mean...

The fact that we see patterns and thereby make hypotheses is part of the process of science. It’s also why we test so much: to try to ascertain whether the “pattern” is real or illusory.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Mary Baker Eddy is on line #666

"According to a long-standing rumor, a telephone was installed in Mary Baker Eddy's tomb at Mount Auburn Cemetery in Cambridge, Massachusetts. This is not true. The origin of this rumor seems to center around the circumstances following Eddy's death on December 3, 1910."

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

As much as I'd like to think that he'd claw your face off on way down, I don't want to see a good cat leave he world.

Maybe you could take a picture of him with you.

I'd have to scrape him out of the microwave first.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Nah, just practical pragmatism.

You bet.

Sitting in a chair on small marble on the outer edge of a galaxy that has millions of stars.

That sits among millions of other galaxies.

And you can say you know there is no God.

 

[BackAgain]

Asking or wondering why breath can or cannot be seen, is a demand.

No. It’s not. It’s asking a question.

But you miss the point. That I can’t see air doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The fact that we see patterns and thereby make hypotheses is part of the process of science. It’s also why we test so much: to try to ascertain whether the “pattern” is real or illusory.

The brain:

Superior pattern processing is the essence of the evolved human brain​

Superior pattern processing is the essence of the evolved human brain

Humans have long pondered the nature of their mind/brain and, particularly why its capacities for reasoning, communication and abstract thought are far superior to other species, including closely related anthropoids. This article considers superior pattern ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[dblack]

The brain:

Superior pattern processing is the essence of the evolved human brain​

Superior pattern processing is the essence of the evolved human brain

Humans have long pondered the nature of their mind/brain and, particularly why its capacities for reasoning, communication and abstract thought are far superior to other species, including closely related anthropoids. This article considers superior pattern ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Put the bottle down.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

No. It’s not. It’s asking a question.

But you miss the point. That I can’t see air doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.

Not sure how we got here. I've never claimed that if one cannot see something, it means that that something does not exist.