If you didn't catch Matthew Mcconaughey from the White House breifing room, live, You need to

then make it age to 21 to get into the military too. people wan t their cake and eat it too.
He's talking about state law, and there's no logical or constitutional reason that states cannot prohibit the sale of firearms to all persons under the age of 21 except military personnel. In fact, I know of no reason why such a federal stipulation would not be constitutional.
 
More to the point, White 6's response in this instance suggests that I was referring to Matt's speech but that's nonsensical. To see why I wasn't and why White 6's response to my post is nonsensical, all you have to do is trace the exchange between me and him backwards via clicking on the arrows beside our names in the posts. I generally agree with Matt, though not necessarily over all the specifics vis-a-vis the Democrats' proposed legislation.
Well, the only thing I was giving a thumbs up to, was that I agreed with White, that Matt seems well meaning, caring, and coherent to me as well.

Now? Do I agree with Matt's policy prescriptions? NO, I DO NOT.

But then? Most folks know that I have different sources of information, and a different POV on this whole push to decrease the impact of the 2nd, from the get go, so, this should not be a surprise.

I am a classical liberal, who keenly understands, WHY the 2nd Amendment is in the Constitution in the first place.

It does not matter HOW many civilians or children die, if we wish to remain having an open society, IT NEEDS TO STAY THERE.

So? The choice, is either a closed society, ruled by a technocracy of bureaucrats, or? A society with the people still in charge.


THIS? . . . is more important than any other consideration. The choice now, is liberty or security, there is no other. And I honestly don't think there will be any security when it comes right down to it.



 
Well, the only thing I was giving a thumbs up to, was that I agreed with White, that Matt seems well meaning, caring, and coherent to me as well.

Now? Do I agree with Matt's policy prescriptions? NO, I DO NOT.

But then? Most folks know that I have different sources of information, and a different POV on this whole push to decrease the impact of the 2nd, from the get go, so, this should not be a surprise.

I am a classical liberal, who keenly understands, WHY the 2nd Amendment is in the Constitution in the first place.

It does not matter HOW many civilians or children die, if we wish to remain having an open society, IT NEEDS TO STAY THERE.

So? The choice, is either a closed society, ruled by a technocracy of bureaucrats, or? A society with the people still in charge.


THIS? . . . is more important than any other consideration. The choice now, is liberty or security, there is no other. And I honestly don't think there will be any security when it comes right down to it.




Keenly understand?!
 

He is talking for gun owners? No gun owner I ever listen to talk talks like this. Does he own a gun? When he starts talking about what the government is going to do about criminals and guns instead of hurting legal gun owners. Then maybe I will listen.
No you won't. You just rigged the game from the start. Who do you think you're fooling?
 
It means the gun lobby and it's supporters have successfully framed (in the past) any attempt to reign in this ongoing problem, by falsely characterizing the discussion as an attack on the 2nd amendment, with the overriding importance going to 2A, while nothing is done of the clear and present ongoing danger.
I know what you're trying say, badly, and your narrative is still bullshit. It's mindless, gun-grabbing Democrats who falsely characterize things. The matter foremostly entails a spiritual, moral, and cultural problem caused by Democrats, the same folks who routinely oppose proper school security and foist the deathtraps of gun-free zones on America.
 
So you’re assuming what you’re trying to claim.

I’ll take “circular logic” for $500, Alex.
Absolutely not.

The average person standard.

Would you be dissuaded?

You have decided to...shoot up a badminton tournament...you go to get a gun and you are turned down by the FFL.

Honestly...would that stop you?

Not a chance.

Not going to stop anyone else either...no matter how obtuse you attempt to be.

I don't ever expect you to admit you are wrong....that's not in a leftists nature...but you are.

I know it, and you know it.

You can have the last word.
 
Absolutely not.

The average person standard.

Would you be dissuaded?

You have decided to...shoot up a badminton tournament...you go to get a gun and you are turned down by the FFL.

Honestly...would that stop you?

Not a chance.

Not going to stop anyone else either...no matter how obtuse you attempt to be.

I don't ever expect you to admit you are wrong....that's not in a leftists nature...but you are.

I know it, and you know it.

You can have the last word.
You’re still assuming what you’re trying to claim. Really bad argument.

I don’t doubt that it’s not very effective, I just don’t believe that it’s zero percent effective like you’re claiming. You should stick to facts, not bad assumptions.

See ya.
 
I'll never be in favor of universal background checks.

It is nothing but defacto registration.

And these guys all PASSED BACKROUND CHECKS. They bought rifles from FFLs and filled out form 4473 and then took the rifles and committed murder with them.

The guy in Buffalo WAS INVESTIGATED under New York's RED FLAG LAW that was passed in 2019...and deemed not to be a threat.

☝️☝️☝️. Read that again!

All these shooters passed background checks...and New York HAS A RED FLAG LAW THAT THE BUFFALO SHOOTER WAS INVESTIGATED UNDER AND DEEMED NOT A THREAT.

Gun grabbers are always looking for an excuse to further THEIR goals.

If their solutions worked...there would have been no shooting in Buffalo. That's a cast iron, set in stone fact.

You cannot give an inch on proposal that haven't worked and won't work.

Look...for 50 years we gave them "safe, legal and rare" abortions and where did that end up.

Abortions at nine months and talk of post birth abortion.

Nope...never without a fight.

Why the would you agree to infringement of the rights of millions of 18, 19, and 20 year over the actions of 10 people?

Would you do that with the right to peacably assemble?

How about free speech?

Or religious freedom?

The answer is always no to infringement.

We're not going to throw millions of young adults under the bus to satiate the gun confiscators.
The developmental concerns of persons under the age of 21 are real. Military personnel under the age of 21 need not be prohibited. They would have the vetted maturity, training, and discipline.
 
He spoke about mental health
I know, and as I have posted, I agreed with those parts.

Unfortunately, because of the nexus of power of big Pharma and the gun lobby, I seriously doubt, there will be any provisions, to stop folks that are on psychotropic medications from being allowed to purchase or handle guns.

I remember when there were hearings during the 90's about the huge increase in teen suicides associated with SSRI's, and ADHD drugs, they brushed that shit off, and made it seem like it was a function of those who had to take those meds, and not the meds themselves.

Why? Because of the profits and power of the drug lobby. Lives of kids and teens are not important, when the power of Big Pharma and Big Guns are at stake.
The establishment, the politicians, the medicos? The corporations? They care more about their power and money than they care about their kids.

AMERICA'S CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes:

PBS Frontline - The Medicated Child​



"With over six million children now on behavior modifying medications — some starting as young as two years old — FRONTLINE continues its investigation, which began with the program Medicating Kids, into the controversial practice of medicating children. Are the drugs safe? How young can you detect mental illness in a child? Is medication really the answer? As the debate grows more fierce, FRONTLINE confronts psychiatrists, researchers, and big pharma about the risks and benefits of prescription drugs for troubled children."

(When the schools tried to start my kids on that shit? I SAID NO WAY IN HELL!)
 
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I cannot post the video, not out yet, but it will undoubtedly be available later. No matter what side of the gun debate, or what party you belong to, or like me, not a party member, you need to see his presentation, on the Uvalde shooting and his plea for reforms to stop this ongoing carnage across our country.

As a gun owner, raised with guns, trained to be responsible with weapons by my own dad, I can say I support his message of being able to advance legislation that will move us forward and indeed make the 2nd amendment even more relevant, than we are being sold by both sides of the political divide. Saying the 2nd amendment is paramount to considerations of protecting our kids, our schools, our churches, our public spaces, must take precedence. To do otherwise, out of hand, as usual is bullshit.
Hard to argue with the points he made.
 
I was as surprised as anyone. This guy actually did strike a middle ground with sensible comments about responding to recent events and bolstering American values. Worth a watch.


The political left will use it to evade what should be done and demonize Republicans and defenders of the Second Amendment.
 
Missed it.

Did he mention the increasing number of Soros funded Chief Prosecutors and 'Let 'em go' Judges along with the laws on the books that aren't enforced??
Yeah, I missed that too. I'm going to borrow your question for White 6.
 
Why should we care what a hypocrite rich Hollywood star thinks about the 2nd Amendment? A couple of years ago he advocated for confiscation of firearms (except for his security staff) and today he seems to be trying for some middle ground. Who the hell cares?
 

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