If you do Not Support Ukraine Ceding Territory to Russia to End the War and the Killing, What is Your Plan?

[Zavulon]

Russia invaded a sovereign country without provocation

They are paying the price

In her whole history (at least in last 1000 years) Russia never invaded any sovereign country without a provocation.

 

[Zavulon]

I said it

And why did you say it? I mean is it your conclusion based on some exclusive facts, or just a glimpse of your imagination?

 

[Meathead]

This queston came up when one of my relatives at the T'Giving table said that Trump's plan is to give Russia the approx 18% of Ukraine that they now occupy. No idea if that is Trump's plan or not, but this relative thought it was. I asked him what his idea was.

His suggestion seemed unworkable, but at family gatherings, I only ask questions about politics, I don't argue politics.

What is your plan?

Maybe a binding vote in the occupied territories for the sake of some legitimacy. I get that the pro-Ukrainians are probably long gone, but it's the best I can think of.

Either way, the war has to stop.

 

[Meathead]

In her whole history (at least in last 1000 years) Russia never invaded any sovereign country without a provocation.

They invaded Poland several times, latest being the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Does it disturb you that some Ukrainians think of themselves as ethnically Russian?

Why? I'm Russian myself. I'd say most of them are ethnically Russian. What may disturb me or infuriate even that some of them having gone through the 30 years of Goebbels style propaganda have become Bandera admirers.

 

[Mac-7]

And why did you say it? I mean is it your conclusion based on some exclusive facts, or just a glimpse of your imagination?

Based on what I see in the news

Do you gave a free press in your country?

Here we have a variety of opinions

 

[Mac-7]

They invaded Poland several times, latest being the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

And the Soviets invaded Finland

 

[Zavulon]

Russia is not being invaded

If we are talking about states in their formal borders, then Russian allies - DPR and LPR had been invaded. If we are talking about people - Russian people in Ukraine have been killed by the western collaborants since 2014. If we are talking about big strategy - NATOs expansion is the plain preparation for the WWIII and genocide of Russians.

 

[Moonglow]

In her whole history (at least in last 1000 years) Russia never invaded any sovereign country without a provocation.

What was the provocation of Russia in 1939 for invading Poland?

 

[rightwinger]

If we are talking about states in their formal borders, then Russian allies - DPR and LPR had been invaded. If we are talking about people - Russian people in Ukraine have been killed by the western collaborants since 2014. If we are talking about big strategy - NATOs expansion is the plain preparation for the WWIII and genocide of Russians.

Russian people in Ukraine were free to return to Russia….they didn’t
Russia has no claim to Ukraine or any other ex-Soviet country

NATO has expanded due to Russias attacking neighbors

 

[Zavulon]

Based on what I see in the news

It means that you are just parroting the worst propaganda possible.

Do you gave a free press in your country?

Yes, we have. What is better - we have access to foreign news.

Here we have a variety of opinions

Really? The choice between Coca-cola and Pepsi-cola, or the choice between CNN and Fox news, is not a choice at all.

What foreign languages do you know? What foreign sources do you actually read?

 

[Billo_Really]

True, but it is the American people's money, equipment and lives to give.

Hopefully, lives are off the table as soon as Trump takes office. The money and leverage can be used to influence Dictator Zelensky into accepting a compromise.

Beauty part is that if he doesn't, we can wash our hands of Ukraine with no further losses to us.

Giving any land to Russia would be the same as saying it was okay for Germany to annex Poland and the world will not tolerate that kind of action.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Here we have a variety of opinions

Yeah, like Ford once said, "you may have a car of any color as long as it's black", right?

 

[Zavulon]

What was the provocation of Russia in 1939 for invading Poland?

Polish attack against Czechoslovakia (an allie of Soviet Union) back in 1938. It was said to them in advance that Polish invasion in Czechoslovakia will means cancelling the Soviet-Polish non-aggression pact, and they ignored it. And, therefore, it was cancelled.

 

[Zavulon]

Giving any land to Russia would be the same as saying it was okay for Germany to annex Poland and the world will not tolerate that kind of action.

Giving any Mexican land (actually 2/3 of it) to the USA was the same. Say nothing about taking Kosovo from Serbia.

 

[Mac-7]

It means that you are just parroting the worst propaganda possible.


Yes, we have. What is better - we have access to foreign news.

Really? The choice between Coca-cola and Pepsi-cola, or the choice between CNN and Fox news, is not a choice at all.

What foreign languages do you know? What foreign sources do you actually read?

If I were a citizen of the world as you obviously see yourself maybe I should get my news from russia or china

But I’m not so I dont

There are plenty of alien bots posting here who parrot the international line

So I get it 2bd hand from them

 

[Mac-7]

Polish attack against Czechoslovakia (an allie of Soviet Union) back in 1938. It was said to them in advance that Polish invasion in Czechoslovakia will means cancelling the Soviet-Polish non-aggression pact, and they ignored it. And, therefore, it was cancelled.

that utter nonsense

Poland did not invade Czechoslovakia

 

[Mac-7]

Yeah, like Ford once said, "you may have a car of any color as long as it's black", right?

We have a variety of opinions on any subject you choose

 

[Zavulon]

Russian people in Ukraine were free to return to Russia….they didn’t

Some of them did. And they took their land with them. Another were demonstratively murdered (google Odessa massacre 2014). Some others are actively work with Russia.

Russia has no claim to Ukraine or any other ex-Soviet country

Yes. We don't have claims about territory. We do have claims about safety of our people.

NATO has expanded due to Russias attacking neighbors

And Soviet Union deployed ballistic missiles on Cuba due to US proxy aggression against it. And, no, NATO's expansion started after NATO's aggression against Yugoslavia.

 

[Zavulon]

that utter nonsense

Poland did not invade Czechoslovakia

Germany, Hungary and Poland (backed with other Munich agreement gang members) invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938.