Illegal Aliens Lose Battle In Birth Certificatr Lawsuit Against Texas

[Syriusly]

There is no "birthright" citizenship. The "Original intent" of the 14th amendment was to make slaves and their children citizens. Not illegal aliens.

Considering that at the time the 14th Amendment was written and ratified (1868) there was no need to establish birthright citizenship as a policy. Immigrants to the US during that period were eager to become US citizens, to assimilate and through their naturalization, establish themselves and their children thereafter as legal, legitimate citizens of their chosen nation. Illegal, criminal invaders were certainly not the norm, nor was the effort to spawn on US soil in order to establish a beachhead and an anchor to claim all types of privileges reserved for legal immigrants..

And?

So you think that if circumstances change- you can just ignore the Constitution?

The language of the 14th Amendment is very explicit. You can't just ignore it.

Yes, while explicit, it does not take into account the phenomenal increase in "Americans" born here for no other purpose than collecting public welfare, .

assuming that were true, it would be irrelevant. that doesn't change the language of the 14th amendment, and you can't kick citizens out of the country.

You can kick illegal invaders out, though, and should. If the "citizens" have some other alternative, fine. Otherwise, their criminal parents leave, they either take them or leave them. If they take them, at least they have a choice when they reach 18.

Well you can try.

Meanwhile- you can't deport American citizens- but you can deport their parents.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Well invading armies is mentioned right in Wong Kim Ark as one of the exclusions- along with children of diplomats.

So not splitting hairs- just mentioning an irrelevant but correct exclusion.

And Wong Kim Ark gives other additional exceptions as well, like the alien parents need to be here with the permission of the US government and have legal residence, aka domicile

 

[JimBowie1958]

Considering that at the time the 14th Amendment was written and ratified (1868) there was no need to establish birthright citizenship as a policy. Immigrants to the US during that period were eager to become US citizens, to assimilate and through their naturalization, establish themselves and their children thereafter as legal, legitimate citizens of their chosen nation. Illegal, criminal invaders were certainly not the norm, nor was the effort to spawn on US soil in order to establish a beachhead and an anchor to claim all types of privileges reserved for legal immigrants..

And?

So you think that if circumstances change- you can just ignore the Constitution?

The language of the 14th Amendment is very explicit. You can't just ignore it.

Yes, while explicit, it does not take into account the phenomenal increase in "Americans" born here for no other purpose than collecting public welfare, .

assuming that were true, it would be irrelevant. that doesn't change the language of the 14th amendment, and you can't kick citizens out of the country.

You can kick illegal invaders out, though, and should. If the "citizens" have some other alternative, fine. Otherwise, their criminal parents leave, they either take them or leave them. If they take them, at least they have a choice when they reach 18.

Well you can try.

Meanwhile- you can't deport American citizens- but you can deport their parents.

Bullshit

 

[Syriusly]

or an invading army. but that's splitting hairs.

It is not splitting hairs. It is an example that there is not an unrestric ted birthright for those born here.

Wow, I am getting the feeling that you guys are starting to figure this thing out. Maybe there is hope for libtards yet.


NNNNAAAAAHHHHHHwhat the hell am I thinking?

i seriously doubt you're capable of thinking.
nobody has claimed that those born here to parents acting as official representatives of another nation are citizens. it's just that those exceptions are so rare as to be inconsequential to the general discussion.

Well Jimmie has never demonstrated any higher brain functions.

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

 

[Syriusly]

Well invading armies is mentioned right in Wong Kim Ark as one of the exclusions- along with children of diplomats.

So not splitting hairs- just mentioning an irrelevant but correct exclusion.

And Wong Kim Ark gives other additional exceptions as well, like the alien parents need to be here with the permission of the US government and have legal residence, aka domicile

Nope- says no such thing.

Wong Kim Ark does say that jurisdiction is jurisdiction- despite your pretense that the word means two different things in the same paragraph of the 14th Amendment.

 

[JimBowie1958]

i seriously doubt you're capable of thinking.
nobody has claimed that those born here to parents acting as official representatives of another nation are citizens. it's just that those exceptions are so rare as to be inconsequential to the general discussion.

Actually, the children of diplomats ant diplomatic staff is a growing problem since they are getting birth certificates and then they later come back claiming to be US citizens.

And if it proves a legal point it is not inconsequential, idiot.

 

[Syriusly]

And?

So you think that if circumstances change- you can just ignore the Constitution?

The language of the 14th Amendment is very explicit. You can't just ignore it.

Yes, while explicit, it does not take into account the phenomenal increase in "Americans" born here for no other purpose than collecting public welfare, .

assuming that were true, it would be irrelevant. that doesn't change the language of the 14th amendment, and you can't kick citizens out of the country.

You can kick illegal invaders out, though, and should. If the "citizens" have some other alternative, fine. Otherwise, their criminal parents leave, they either take them or leave them. If they take them, at least they have a choice when they reach 18.

Well you can try.

Meanwhile- you can't deport American citizens- but you can deport their parents.

Bullshit

Well that describes every post you make.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

 

[Syriusly]

i seriously doubt you're capable of thinking.
nobody has claimed that those born here to parents acting as official representatives of another nation are citizens. it's just that those exceptions are so rare as to be inconsequential to the general discussion.

Actually, the children of diplomats ant diplomatic staff is a growing problem since they are getting birth certificates and then they later come back claiming to be US citizens.

And if it proves a legal point it is not inconsequential, idiot.

Really how much of a growing problem? I certainly believe it can happen- since birth certificates don't ask whether the parent is a diplomat- but a 'growing problem'?

How many of these children are a 'problem'
5?
10?
82?

Give us some numbers about this 'problem'

 

[ogibillm]

You can't deport American citizens..

If they are minors and the parents are not citizens they can be deported along with their parents, dude.

no, they can't. you can't kick a citizen out of the country.

 

[JimBowie1958]

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Well that describes every post you make.

ITs not my fault if you cant read words with more than ten letters, dude.

 

[Syriusly]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

The only one jerking off here is you.

You keep masturbating to the idea that you can deport American citizens.

I point out the facts- and you can't handle them.

So you lie some more.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

So why does the 14th amendment say it's not enough to simply be born in america to get citizenship? They put in another condition - you must be subject to the jurisdiction of america. Why did they add that condition.? THINK

 

[Syriusly]

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Well that describes every post you make.

ITs not my fault if you cant read words with more than ten letters, dude.

Not my fault that every post you make is bullshit.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You can't deport American citizens..

If they are minors and the parents are not citizens they can be deported along with their parents, dude.

no, they can't. you can't kick a citizen out of the country.

yes, you can, rendition for example often sends people that are dual US citizens back to their country of origen.

 

[ogibillm]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

name another. give us an exception that hasn't been mentioned.

 

[JimBowie1958]

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Well that describes every post you make.

ITs not my fault if you cant read words with more than ten letters, dude.

Not my fault that every post you make is bullshit.

Not my fault that you post boring repetitive stupid bullshit

 

[JimBowie1958]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

name another. give us an exception that hasn't been mentioned.

At the time that Wong Kim Ark was written Amerinidan tribesmen were also exempted.

Need more, fagot?

 

[Syriusly]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

So why does the 14th amendment say it's not enough to simply be born in america to get citizenship? They put in another condition - you must be subject to the jurisdiction of america. Why did they add that condition.? THINK

To exclude those outside the jurisdiction of the United States- children of diplomats, children born to invading armies, Indians outside the jurisdiction of the United States.

They used the term jurisdiction for a purpose- and anyone who can be arrested in the United States is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

 

[ogibillm]

You can't deport American citizens..

If they are minors and the parents are not citizens they can be deported along with their parents, dude.

no, they can't. you can't kick a citizen out of the country.

yes, you can, rendition for example often sends people that are dual US citizens back to their country of origen.

to face charges in another country. but those born here, they wouldn't have done anything illegal anywhere, so how could they be sent to face charges?
so let me try again - you can't kick a child out of the country for something their parent(s) did