Illegal Aliens Lose Battle In Birth Certificatr Lawsuit Against Texas

[Syriusly]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

name another. give us an exception that hasn't been mentioned.

At the time that Wong Kim Ark was written Amerinidan tribesmen were also exempted.

Need more, fagot?

Jimmie- is your teeny tiny little penis embarressing you again?

Tried to jack off but the tweezers were just too big?

Got laughed at by the Russian woman at the video sex link you go to?

Its okay Jimmie- micro penis is a medical condition.

No need to be embarressed by yours.

 

[ogibillm]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

name another. give us an exception that hasn't been mentioned.

At the time that Wong Kim Ark was written Amerinidan tribesmen were also exempted.

Need more, fagot?

that was mentioned. try again.

 

[Syriusly]

You can't deport American citizens..

If they are minors and the parents are not citizens they can be deported along with their parents, dude.

no, they can't. you can't kick a citizen out of the country.

yes, you can, rendition for example often sends people that are dual US citizens back to their country of origen.

to face charges in another country. but those born here, they wouldn't have done anything illegal anywhere, so how could they be sent to face charges?
so let me try again - you can't kick a child out of the country for something their parent(s) did

Only naturalized citizens can be extradited.

Jimmie displays his ignorance again.

 

[JimBowie1958]

i seriously doubt you're capable of thinking.
nobody has claimed that those born here to parents acting as official representatives of another nation are citizens. it's just that those exceptions are so rare as to be inconsequential to the general discussion.

Actually, the children of diplomats ant diplomatic staff is a growing problem since they are getting birth certificates and then they later come back claiming to be US citizens.

And if it proves a legal point it is not inconsequential, idiot.

Really how much of a growing problem? I certainly believe it can happen- since birth certificates don't ask whether the parent is a diplomat- but a 'growing problem'?

How many of these children are a 'problem'
5?
10?
82?

Give us some numbers about this 'problem'

I havent seen any numbers, only reports that say it is a growing problem.

"While there are differences of opinion as to who is entitled to claim U.S. citizenship under the Citizenship Clause, there is one thing that everyone engaged in the debate agrees on: Children born to foreign diplomats are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States and are not to be granted U.S. citizenship."

"Despite this agreement, and despite Congress’s clear intent to not create a completely universal and automatic birthright citizenship policy, today’s application of the Citizenship Clause is so lax that the United States has a de facto universal birthright citizenship policy that denies U.S. citizenship by birth to no one, including children born to foreign diplomats. Supporters of the status quo argue that critics of the current application and interpretation of the Citizenship Clause are attempting to “rewrite” or “decimate the 14th Amendment,”5 which suggests that such supporters believe the Citizenship Clause is actually functioning (i.e., actually barring some people from acquiring U.S. citizenship through birth). In reality, the limiting language in the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause has been effectively rendered a nullity as a result of a lack of regulations aimed at birth certificate and SSN issuance. If anyone is attempting to rewrite the Citizenship Clause, it is arguably those who seek to avoid any discussion of the current state of the 14th Amendment."

"A discussion about the application of birthright citizenship is necessary if the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause is to retain any legal effect. This Backgrounder illustrates how all entities involved in the birthright citizenship process — (1) the National Center for Health Statistics; (2) hospitals and state health agencies; (3) the Social Security Administration; (4) the Department of State; and (5) U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services — are failing to prevent grants of U.S. citizenship to children born to foreign diplomats, effectively erasing the limiting language found in the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause."

Birthright Citizenship for Children of Foreign Diplomats?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Considering that at the time the 14th Amendment was written and ratified (1868) there was no need to establish birthright citizenship as a policy. Immigrants to the US during that period were eager to become US citizens, to assimilate and through their naturalization, establish themselves and their children thereafter as legal, legitimate citizens of their chosen nation. Illegal, criminal invaders were certainly not the norm, nor was the effort to spawn on US soil in order to establish a beachhead and an anchor to claim all types of privileges reserved for legal immigrants..

And?

So you think that if circumstances change- you can just ignore the Constitution?

The language of the 14th Amendment is very explicit. You can't just ignore it.

Yes, while explicit, it does not take into account the phenomenal increase in "Americans" born here for no other purpose than collecting public welfare, and of course, we can certainly not let those infant "Americans'" families to want for anything. Send the who pack back to their country of origin. When the "American" reaches majority, commonly 18 years of age in this country, then they can certainly choose to come back...no questions asked, and apply like any other citizen to have their family admitted, as well. For the illegal, law-breaking progenitors of such new "Americans", nothing.

So you think we can just deport Americans because of their parents legal problems?

So you think just because someone manages to pop a kid out in our country entitles them to all the rights and privileges of people who have followed the rules? Send them back to the holes they crawled out of, if they take the kids, the kids can come back later. I'm so tire of excusing violation of our laws because someone can fuck, get pregnant, and manages to drop a brat here.

No- why do you think that?

You can't deport American citizens.

You can deport their parents.

The parents can either take their American citizen child with them- or they can find someone to take care of their child here in the U.S.

But you can't ignore the Constitution- or the civil rights of an American citizen born to parents who are hear illegally.

Basically what I said...While American "citizens" cannot be deported, their illegal, law-breaking parents should be. "Citizens" are most welcome to come back later, when they are physically able to, providing proof of their claims, of course.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Only naturalized citizens can be extradited.

And yet there are an example of citizens that can be sent out of the country, fag.

Jimmie displays his ignorance again.

You are making false claims that I am shooting down one at a time and you insist that I am the ignorant one?

You are a deluded partisan ideologue, and a stupid fool.

I enjoy exposing your pathetic idiocy with each and every post, fagot bitch.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Basically what I said...While American "citizens" cannot be deported, their illegal, law-breaking parents should be. "Citizens" are most welcome to come back later, when they are physically able to, providing proof of their claims, of course.

Dude, dont trust these lying bastards. Minors of illegals parents can be deported even if citizens.

Dont buy the lies.

 

[ogibillm]

Basically what I said...While American "citizens" cannot be deported, their illegal, law-breaking parents should be. "Citizens" are most welcome to come back later, when they are physically able to, providing proof of their claims, of course.

Dude, dont trust these lying bastards. Minors of illegals parents can be deported even if citizens.

Dont buy the lies.

no, they can't. on what basis could you deport a us citizen to a country they do not hold citizenship in?
can you give an example of a us citizen, not facing charges, being deported?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

name another. give us an exception that hasn't been mentioned.

At the time that Wong Kim Ark was written Amerinidan tribesmen were also exempted.

Need more, fagot?

that was mentioned. try again.

You mentioned only Amerindians born outside the jurisdiction of the USA and that is not true. Amerinidans born in a territory that has not been given birthright citizenship rights are also not citizens.

Now why dont you name another category, doofus? lolol, i know you wont. You libtards ask questions a thousand times and never answer them when put to you. Because yo are dishonest lying bastards.

 

[Syriusly]

i seriously doubt you're capable of thinking.
nobody has claimed that those born here to parents acting as official representatives of another nation are citizens. it's just that those exceptions are so rare as to be inconsequential to the general discussion.

Actually, the children of diplomats ant diplomatic staff is a growing problem since they are getting birth certificates and then they later come back claiming to be US citizens.

And if it proves a legal point it is not inconsequential, idiot.

Really how much of a growing problem? I certainly believe it can happen- since birth certificates don't ask whether the parent is a diplomat- but a 'growing problem'?

How many of these children are a 'problem'
5?
10?
82?

Give us some numbers about this 'problem'

I havent seen any numbers, only reports that say it is a growing problem.

"While there are differences of opinion as to who is entitled to claim U.S. citizenship under the Citizenship Clause, there is one thing that everyone engaged in the debate agrees on: Children born to foreign diplomats are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States and are not to be granted U.S. citizenship."

"Despite this agreement, and despite Congress’s clear intent to not create a completely universal and automatic birthright citizenship policy, today’s application of the Citizenship Clause is so lax that the United States has a de facto universal birthright citizenship policy that denies U.S. citizenship by birth to no one, including children born to foreign diplomats. Supporters of the status quo argue that critics of the current application and interpretation of the Citizenship Clause are attempting to “rewrite” or “decimate the 14th Amendment,”5 which suggests that such supporters believe the Citizenship Clause is actually functioning (i.e., actually barring some people from acquiring U.S. citizenship through birth). In reality, the limiting language in the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause has been effectively rendered a nullity as a result of a lack of regulations aimed at birth certificate and SSN issuance. If anyone is attempting to rewrite the Citizenship Clause, it is arguably those who seek to avoid any discussion of the current state of the 14th Amendment."

"A discussion about the application of birthright citizenship is necessary if the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause is to retain any legal effect. This Backgrounder illustrates how all entities involved in the birthright citizenship process — (1) the National Center for Health Statistics; (2) hospitals and state health agencies; (3) the Social Security Administration; (4) the Department of State; and (5) U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services — are failing to prevent grants of U.S. citizenship to children born to foreign diplomats, effectively erasing the limiting language found in the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause."

Birthright Citizenship for Children of Foreign Diplomats?

So what you have provided is not a single example of any children of diplomats getting American citizenship.

Bravo- even substandard for you.

Children of diplomats should not be getting U.S. citizenship- if the laws are allowing children of diplomats born say in Texas- to get a birth certificate- without noting that the parents could not confer citizenship on their child- then by all means- have the States beef up their birth certificate requirements.

The law in Texas does nothing to deal with that issue- it only denies birth ceritifcates to American citizens. The child of a diplomat born in Texas would be issued a birth certificate under the regulations you are defending.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

name another. give us an exception that hasn't been mentioned.

At the time that Wong Kim Ark was written Amerinidan tribesmen were also exempted.

Need more, fagot?

Jimmie- is your teeny tiny little penis embarressing you again?

Tried to jack off but the tweezers were just too big?

Got laughed at by the Russian woman at the video sex link you go to?

Its okay Jimmie- micro penis is a medical condition.

No need to be embarressed by yours.

Seriously, you have nothing better to counter an argument? If anyone should be "emberressed", it should be you. Oh, by the way, it's embarrassed.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Basically what I said...While American "citizens" cannot be deported, their illegal, law-breaking parents should be. "Citizens" are most welcome to come back later, when they are physically able to, providing proof of their claims, of course.

Dude, dont trust these lying bastards. Minors of illegals parents can be deported even if citizens.

Dont buy the lies.

no, they can't. on what basis could you deport a us citizen to a country they do not hold citizenship in?
can you give an example of a us citizen, not facing charges, being deported?

Yes they can. Prove that they cant, you lying fagot.

 

[ogibillm]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

name another. give us an exception that hasn't been mentioned.

At the time that Wong Kim Ark was written Amerinidan tribesmen were also exempted.

Need more, fagot?

that was mentioned. try again.

You mentioned only Amerindians born outside the jurisdiction of the USA and that is not true. Amerinidans born in a territory that has not been given birthright citizenship rights are also not citizens.

Now why dont you name another category, doofus? lolol, i know you wont. You libtards ask questions a thousand times and never answer them when put to you. Because yo are dishonest lying bastards.

dumbass, at the time of wong v ark american indians were considered outside the jurisdiction of the united states.

 

[Syriusly]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

name another. give us an exception that hasn't been mentioned.

At the time that Wong Kim Ark was written Amerinidan tribesmen were also exempted.

Need more, fagot?

that was mentioned. try again.

You mentioned only Amerindians born outside the jurisdiction of the USA and that is not true. Amerinidans born in a territory that has not been given birthright citizenship rights are also not citizens.

Now why dont you name another category, doofus? lolol, i know you wont. You libtards ask questions a thousand times and never answer them when put to you. Because yo are dishonest lying bastards.

Sigh- all American Indians now born within the United States are now born citizens- all of what used to be Indian Territories are now all within the Jurisdiction of the United States.

American Indians are treated no differently than anyone else in regards to citizenship laws now.

That was not the case when the 14th Amendment was passed.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Basically what I said...While American "citizens" cannot be deported, their illegal, law-breaking parents should be. "Citizens" are most welcome to come back later, when they are physically able to, providing proof of their claims, of course.

Dude, dont trust these lying bastards. Minors of illegals parents can be deported even if citizens.

Dont buy the lies.

Please note the quotes.

 

[ogibillm]

Basically what I said...While American "citizens" cannot be deported, their illegal, law-breaking parents should be. "Citizens" are most welcome to come back later, when they are physically able to, providing proof of their claims, of course.

Dude, dont trust these lying bastards. Minors of illegals parents can be deported even if citizens.

Dont buy the lies.

no, they can't. on what basis could you deport a us citizen to a country they do not hold citizenship in?
can you give an example of a us citizen, not facing charges, being deported?

Yes they can. Prove that they cant, you lying fagot.

it would be a denial of due process.

 

[JimBowie1958]

So what you have provided is not a single example of any children of diplomats getting American citizenship.

Bravo- even substandard for you.

Lol, and your lying bullshit gets even deeper. I gave you a report that summarized the question, no specific names or numbers are necessary after that, you fucking idiot.

Children of diplomats should not be getting U.S. citizenship- if the laws are allowing children of diplomats born say in Texas- to get a birth certificate- without noting that the parents could not confer citizenship on their child- then by all means- have the States beef up their birth certificate requirements.

The law in Texas does nothing to deal with that issue- it only denies birth ceritifcates to American citizens. The child of a diplomat born in Texas would be issued a birth certificate under the regulations you are defending.

Those are not American citizens unless Texas chooses to give them citizenship.

But keep on lying you little bitch and see how many lies you can tell in one night, how about it?

 

[Syriusly]

Everyone born in the United States is a U.S. citizen- other than the known exceptions- children of diplomats(still relevant), children born to invading armies(not even closely relevant since 1943- and really earlier) and Indians born outside the jurisdiction of the United States(no longer applicable)

Lol, so now you and Uglibullium are doing a circle jerk?

roflmao

There are more exceptions than yo admit to, liar, and it doesnt matter how many times you lie; it is still a lie, even if yo find a thousand idiot libtards to agree with you with each post. You are still wrong.

name another. give us an exception that hasn't been mentioned.

At the time that Wong Kim Ark was written Amerinidan tribesmen were also exempted.

Need more, fagot?

Jimmie- is your teeny tiny little penis embarressing you again?

Tried to jack off but the tweezers were just too big?

Got laughed at by the Russian woman at the video sex link you go to?

Its okay Jimmie- micro penis is a medical condition.

No need to be embarressed by yours.

Seriously, you have nothing better to counter an argument? If anyone should be "emberressed", it should be you. Oh, by the way, it's embarrassed.

Since you post more politely than Jimmie- I respond directly to your post. I respond to Jimmie how his posts to me deserve.

You are not required to defend Jimmie's micro-penis.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Basically what I said...While American "citizens" cannot be deported, their illegal, law-breaking parents should be. "Citizens" are most welcome to come back later, when they are physically able to, providing proof of their claims, of course.

Dude, dont trust these lying bastards. Minors of illegals parents can be deported even if citizens.

Dont buy the lies.

no, they can't. on what basis could you deport a us citizen to a country they do not hold citizenship in?
can you give an example of a us citizen, not facing charges, being deported?

Yes they can. Prove that they cant, you lying fagot.

it would be a denial of due process.

That is your opinion and proves nothing.

I know that is a hard concept for fagot libtards like you to grasp, but your opinion and Reality are not the same thing at all.

 

[JimBowie1958]

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Since you post more politely than Jimmie- I respond directly to your post. I respond to Jimmie how his posts to me deserve.

You are not required to defend Jimmie's micro-penis.

Lol, back to your perversions again, fagot?