I'm not happy...

[Siete]

about the democratic polls showing Sanders and Buttigieg ahead - and Biden tanking. I know it's too soon to worry, but I am concerned. I worry about the young Sanders supporters not "falling in line" if Sanders doesn't win the Primary nomination. I worry that they are too young and naive to see the big picture - DEFEAT TRUMP. They may just say "fuck it" and not even vote in the General Election. Democratic socialism is fine - but Sanders is too far left for this time.

Can anyone talk me off the ledge?

LOL I won't even try. Go ahead and jump you dumbass. It'll be better for you and for us. Let me know if you need a little shove through because you can count on me for that.

talk me off the ledge is a metaphor - it has nothing to do with anything other than change his mind.


see, told ya these morons were MORONS.

 

[RealDave]

Why do liberals get triggered, er offended by facts? testting 1 2 3.

You have a fact?

Would you recognize one if someone showed it to you?

Funny chit. You believe trump & thereby either love being lied to or too stupid to know Trump is lying all the time.

the demographics of trumps base ;

white
middle age
UNEDUCATED

so stupid is a key element -

So you put up candidates that are white, old, socialist and stupid....brilliant strategy.

Every Democrat candidate running in NH is better educated than fat assed Trump.

 

[LaDairis]

about the democratic polls showing Sanders and Buttigieg ahead - and Biden tanking. I know it's too soon to worry, but I am concerned. I worry about the young Sanders supporters not "falling in line" if Sanders doesn't win the Primary nomination. I worry that they are too young and naive to see the big picture - DEFEAT TRUMP. They may just say "fuck it" and not even vote in the General Election. Democratic socialism is fine - but Sanders is too far left for this time.

Can anyone talk me off the ledge?

If you thought for one second that Low IQ Joe was the Dem best hope....

man...

you are either seriously clueless or delusional... or both.

Low IQ Joe??

Get real....


Amy Klobuchar is by far the most formidable declared candidate the Dems have for a General against Trump, by far....

 

[MisterBeale]

about the democratic polls showing Sanders and Buttigieg ahead - and Biden tanking. I know it's too soon to worry, but I am concerned. I worry about the young Sanders supporters not "falling in line" if Sanders doesn't win the Primary nomination. I worry that they are too young and naive to see the big picture - DEFEAT TRUMP. They may just say "fuck it" and not even vote in the General Election. Democratic socialism is fine - but Sanders is too far left for this time.

Can anyone talk me off the ledge?

and? You haven't been happy since Nov. 8, 2016.

Get used to disappointment.

 

[MisterBeale]

Can anyone talk me off the ledge?

The party has put itself in a lousy position. It's certainly not the first time a party has done THAT, but the timing sure is bad. The party's overall reaction to the guy in the White House has been pretty fucking self-defeating, from Day One.

One of two things will happen: Either (a) some will stay home if the nominee is too far left or too far to the center, or (b) the anti-Trumpism sentiment will be strong enough to pull them all in. There will also be people who are so repulsed by what they're seeing that they may just vote third party (hello).

Flip of the coin. My guess is that anti-Trumpism will prevail, but I'm lousy at political predictions.
.

You make some reasonable points. If I were a betting man, which I am at times; my guess is that they are going through an even bigger changing of the guard than the GOP when through when Trump won. The biggest difference IMO, is that the Dems saw Trump win and said "we aren't going to let that happen to us" while the GOP eventually accepted the will of their voters.

So, Bernie voters, in particular, will jump ship. Even if Bernie plays the patsy for a pocket full of gold, his supporters will NOT vote Dem, some will even vote Trump (7% of them did in 2016, you can at least double that this time).

Dynasty politics is bad for everyone. It shouldn't be part of the U.S system. This is what happens when the same people keep office for decades. Just think of the software app being used for Iowa, the delays. The Mayor Pete guy who has been promoted for months now. What are the odds that the woman from G.A who lost but pretended she won, is the VP choice?

Very possible. What keeps this a mystery for me is that I underestimated the rage and frustration from the Right that got Trump elected. The same thing could be existing and increasing on the Left as we speak. I surely don't know.

And we wonder why the use of anti-depressants is so widespread.
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Yes, the rage is real, but it's coming from a very loud, powerful minority. That minority, in my estimation, are Bernie/Warren supporters. All other supporters on twitter and on forums seem civil and somewhat logical. Bernie supporters in particular, thanks to the 2016 charade, will not support another candidate.

I also find it odd, that I don't hear much support for Pete anywhere from the public. Not on this forum or other places, yet, he quietly beats Bernie in Iowa? How is he so popular?

If I am a Bernie supporter, seeing how well he did in 2016 against a much more popular, seasoned and visible opponent, and then seeing him lose to Pete? It would have me wondering why it is possible and why I should vote for the person who beat him.

Bernie supporters now have the term "Wall Street Pete". That can't be good for the supposed, Little Guy supporting DNC.

Oh, the Mayor Pete situation is REALLY interesting.

First of all, look at his positions on the issues. It wasn't long ago that they would have put him on the very left wing of the party. But with Bernie and Liz pulling the party so hard to the Left, Mayor Pete is almost considered moderate. That shows you where the party is going.

But more interesting is the fact that, despite his obvious Identity Politics credentials, there is a LOT of negative sentiment on the hardcore Left for him. It may just be from Bernie and Liz devotees who see him as the interloper, but there is a LOT of it.

What a mess.
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He is backed by the Deep State.

It would not surprise me that they rig the voting system for him to beat Trump, similar to the shenanigans that the Deep State has been doing in Broward County to manipulate who represents there.

It would not at all surprise me if Mayor Pete is the Next Potus.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why do liberals get triggered, er offended by facts? testting 1 2 3.

You have a fact?

Would you recognize one if someone showed it to you?

Funny chit. You believe trump & thereby either love being lied to or too stupid to know Trump is lying all the time.

Deflection. "Oh, you disagree with me just because you love Trump, and Trump sucks, and TRRRRUUUMMMPPP!!!"

Faster just to say, "I can't answer your question", since it has the same result.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why do liberals get triggered, er offended by facts? testting 1 2 3.

You have a fact?

Would you recognize one if someone showed it to you?

Funny chit. You believe trump & thereby either love being lied to or too stupid to know Trump is lying all the time.

the demographics of trumps base ;

white
middle age
UNEDUCATED

so stupid is a key element -

The demographics of the Democrat base:

Pathologically obsessed with hating Trump
Elitist
Desperate to make excuses for their impending loss

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why do liberals get triggered, er offended by facts? testting 1 2 3.

You have a fact?

Would you recognize one if someone showed it to you?

Funny chit. You believe trump & thereby either love being lied to or too stupid to know Trump is lying all the time.

the demographics of trumps base ;

white
middle age
UNEDUCATED

so stupid is a key element -

So you put up candidates that are white, old, socialist and stupid....brilliant strategy.

And then spend the whole election calling people stupid, so that when they lose, they can blame that instead of themselves.

 

[Cecilie1200]

about the democratic polls showing Sanders and Buttigieg ahead - and Biden tanking. I know it's too soon to worry, but I am concerned. I worry about the young Sanders supporters not "falling in line" if Sanders doesn't win the Primary nomination. I worry that they are too young and naive to see the big picture - DEFEAT TRUMP. They may just say "fuck it" and not even vote in the General Election. Democratic socialism is fine - but Sanders is too far left for this time.

Can anyone talk me off the ledge?

LOL I won't even try. Go ahead and jump you dumbass. It'll be better for you and for us. Let me know if you need a little shove through because you can count on me for that.

talk me off the ledge is a metaphor - it has nothing to do with anything other than change his mind.


see, told ya these morons were MORONS.

Uh . . . duuuuuhhh. You must have learned your understanding of humor, sarcasm, and metaphor from Alexandria Occasional Cortex.

If it weren't for sententiously taking things far too literally, the left's base of insults would be cut by at least a third.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You have a fact?

Would you recognize one if someone showed it to you?

Funny chit. You believe trump & thereby either love being lied to or too stupid to know Trump is lying all the time.

the demographics of trumps base ;

white
middle age
UNEDUCATED

so stupid is a key element -

So you put up candidates that are white, old, socialist and stupid....brilliant strategy.

Every Democrat candidate running in NH is better educated than fat assed Trump.

Then it's even more embarrassing that they're so much less successful in politics, huh?

 

[RealDave]

Would you recognize one if someone showed it to you?

Funny chit. You believe trump & thereby either love being lied to or too stupid to know Trump is lying all the time.

the demographics of trumps base ;

white
middle age
UNEDUCATED

so stupid is a key element -

So you put up candidates that are white, old, socialist and stupid....brilliant strategy.

Every Democrat candidate running in NH is better educated than fat assed Trump.

Then it's even more embarrassing that they're so much less successful in politics, huh?

Republican base is easily duped. They elected Trump, Bush Jr/. You can't get dumber than that.

 

[RealDave]

Why do liberals get triggered, er offended by facts? testting 1 2 3.

You have a fact?

Would you recognize one if someone showed it to you?

Funny chit. You believe trump & thereby either love being lied to or too stupid to know Trump is lying all the time.

the demographics of trumps base ;

white
middle age
UNEDUCATED

so stupid is a key element -

The demographics of the Democrat base:

Pathologically obsessed with hating Trump
Elitist
Desperate to make excuses for their impending loss

Actually, you elected an elitist.

Trump is pathologically doing bad shit. Don't blame us for pointing it out.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You have a fact?

Would you recognize one if someone showed it to you?

Funny chit. You believe trump & thereby either love being lied to or too stupid to know Trump is lying all the time.

the demographics of trumps base ;

white
middle age
UNEDUCATED

so stupid is a key element -

The demographics of the Democrat base:

Pathologically obsessed with hating Trump
Elitist
Desperate to make excuses for their impending loss

Actually, you elected an elitist.

Trump is pathologically doing bad shit. Don't blame us for pointing it out.

Actually, we didn't. (In fact, I didn't even vote for the guy, so there goes your primary answer of "You're wrong, because TRRRRUUUUMMMPPP!!!")

Trump is doing things you don't like, and you consider your personal viewpoints to be objective reality and morality. Don't blame us if we ridicule you.