I'm reading that Trump can build a wall with the money earmarked for military...

I am reading this from so many on twitter They suggest as it is an omnibus, it is ongoign resolution and only "recommended" to be spent a particular way, but the president has leeway. They said Oama did this very thing when he was president.

So, is this true? Even if it isn't true per se, what is stopping Trump from rightfully deeming the border issue a National Security issue, as he did with tariffs and just build it with the funds? Who can stop him from making this decision?

Money that was appropriated for the border wall/fence and security in 2006, 2009 and 2012 hasn't been spent yet.
Why should the President redirect spending towards the wall if the powers that be aren't going to build it ... :dunno:

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.The military of course should pay for the wall, the border is the greatest national security threat by far. Why is our military securing the Russian border when our own isn't secure?

Then, how about we fuck the stupid wall, bring home the troops from Europe and have then control the border? Money saved by not building and upkeeping the wall, money saved by not having our troops stationed in Europe and our military is defending this country for a change.

It is a win/win/win.

Right. Until a future president just tells them to go home, "the border must remain open again".

A wall is hated by those who don't want to protect America's border, because it is permanent and effective. No future president can stop it's impact.

Fuck you and you canadian ass. Do not tell me I do not want to protect America, I spent 20 fucking years doing. The wall is not effective if it is not being patrolled and maintained . Any future president can stop that as easily as stopping the military from guarding the border.

You have 11M illegal immigrants, some say it's much higher. Is this what you would call successfully protecting America?

Let's see, are we will the greatest nation on the planet...yes

Do we still keep your sorry canadian ass safe from bad guys around the world...yes

We have 11M illegal immigrants because they were invited to come here and do jobs for less pay than we are willing to do them.

Oh, and if we build the stupid wall ,we will still have 11M illegal immigrants.

Have you noticed that Americans do not spend our days telling you moron canadians how to run your country? maybe you should take the hint, we do not give a shit what you think or say. Your input is no more valid than the 11M illegal immigrants
 
.The military of course should pay for the wall, the border is the greatest national security threat by far. Why is our military securing the Russian border when our own isn't secure?

Then, how about we fuck the stupid wall, bring home the troops from Europe and have then control the border? Money saved by not building and upkeeping the wall, money saved by not having our troops stationed in Europe and our military is defending this country for a change.

It is a win/win/win.

Right. Until a future president just tells them to go home, "the border must remain open again".

A wall is hated by those who don't want to protect America's border, because it is permanent and effective. No future president can stop it's impact.

Fuck you and you canadian ass. Do not tell me I do not want to protect America, I spent 20 fucking years doing. The wall is not effective if it is not being patrolled and maintained . Any future president can stop that as easily as stopping the military from guarding the border.

You have 11M illegal immigrants, some say it's much higher. Is this what you would call successfully protecting America?

Let's see, are we will the greatest nation on the planet...yes

Do we still keep your sorry canadian ass safe from bad guys around the world...yes

We have 11M illegal immigrants because they were invited to come here and do jobs for less pay than we are willing to do them.

Oh, and if we build the stupid wall ,we will still have 11M illegal immigrants.

Have you noticed that Americans do not spend our days telling you moron canadians how to run your country? maybe you should take the hint, we do not give a shit what you think or say. Your input is no more valid than the 11M illegal immigrants

I appreciate your outrage, maybe I even slightly respect it.

Regardless, I've paid a steeper price than you have for protecting your country. Funny isn't it? I also didn't receive a penny from anyone. I blew the whistle at the highest levels of the Canadian government was involved in a lawsuit, threatened, had my career stolen and soon my home. For what? I advised your country about what was going on, in some detail as it were.

So you can hate me and my country, just as I hate the system that has stolen a good, courageous, patriotic human beings life, even if I do say so myself. You don't have the first clue about persecution, lack of dignity and state abuse to the degree that I have experienced it. Other than someone wrongfully thrown in prison or slayed by the state, there are few who have experienced what I have.

So you can mock my nation, I will continue to fight for America, for Americanism, or American soldiers, your values, capitalism. I will continue to fight without a weapon, but with facts; socialists, closet commies and those who wish to bury America. You are the last hope on this planet for individual liberty and so many of you don't even know it.
 
I appreciate your outrage, maybe I even slightly respect it.

Regardless, I've paid a steeper price than you have for protecting your country. Funny isn't it? I also didn't receive a penny from anyone. I blew the whistle at the highest levels of the Canadian government was involved in a lawsuit, threatened, had my career stolen and soon my home. For what? I advised your country about what was going on, in some detail as it were.

So you can hate me and my country, just as I hate the system that has stolen a good, courageous, patriotic human beings life, even if I do say so myself. You don't have the first clue about persecution, lack of dignity and state abuse to the degree that I have experienced it. Other than someone wrongfully thrown in prison or slayed by the state, there are few who have experienced what I have.

So you can mock my nation, I will continue to fight for America, for Americanism, or American soldiers, your values, capitalism. I will continue to fight without a weapon, but with facts; socialists, closet commies and those who wish to bury America. You are the last hope on this planet for individual liberty and so many of you don't even know it.

Let's pretend for a minute that I believe your story, what did this nation gain, what changes were made due to your sacrifice?

And I do not hate your country at all, I hate people from your country, or any other, telling us how to run our country. We do not really want or need your advice.
 
I appreciate your outrage, maybe I even slightly respect it.

Regardless, I've paid a steeper price than you have for protecting your country. Funny isn't it? I also didn't receive a penny from anyone. I blew the whistle at the highest levels of the Canadian government was involved in a lawsuit, threatened, had my career stolen and soon my home. For what? I advised your country about what was going on, in some detail as it were.

So you can hate me and my country, just as I hate the system that has stolen a good, courageous, patriotic human beings life, even if I do say so myself. You don't have the first clue about persecution, lack of dignity and state abuse to the degree that I have experienced it. Other than someone wrongfully thrown in prison or slayed by the state, there are few who have experienced what I have.

So you can mock my nation, I will continue to fight for America, for Americanism, or American soldiers, your values, capitalism. I will continue to fight without a weapon, but with facts; socialists, closet commies and those who wish to bury America. You are the last hope on this planet for individual liberty and so many of you don't even know it.

Let's pretend for a minute that I believe your story, what did this nation gain, what changes were made due to your sacrifice?

And I do not hate your country at all, I hate people from your country, or any other, telling us how to run our country. We do not really want or need your advice.

Any changes made wouldn't be so obvious and I can tell you I worked my tail off. I do find it interesting that imports from Canada actually fell during the Obama years. I also find it inspiring that Trump and others outside of Trump that don't get MSM support have stated that NAFTA has not been on the level and abuses by even allies has been going on for far too long without confrontation.

If I had to guess how many have at least heard some of my story, even anonymously on a forum like this, it has to be in the 10's of thousands over the 12 years or so. This is in addition to the hundreds of politicians and government agencies in the U.S and Europe I have reached out to who know who I am, where I live, have harassed and interfered in my life and know what usernames I use online. It motivates me truth be told.

So you might not want to hear my advice, but I do think you need it. Just as I needed to understand the reality of liberty outside Canada, which so many Canadians are naive and ignorant of. There are many incorrect views of Canada and socialism, people are starting to wake up in America to the dangers and this is very important.
 
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I am reading this from so many on twitter They suggest as it is an omnibus, it is ongoign resolution and only "recommended" to be spent a particular way, but the president has leeway. They said Oama did this very thing when he was president.

So, is this true? Even if it isn't true per se, what is stopping Trump from rightfully deeming the border issue a National Security issue, as he did with tariffs and just build it with the funds? Who can stop him from making this decision?
It’s about national security.
 
I appreciate your outrage, maybe I even slightly respect it.

Regardless, I've paid a steeper price than you have for protecting your country. Funny isn't it? I also didn't receive a penny from anyone. I blew the whistle at the highest levels of the Canadian government was involved in a lawsuit, threatened, had my career stolen and soon my home. For what? I advised your country about what was going on, in some detail as it were.

So you can hate me and my country, just as I hate the system that has stolen a good, courageous, patriotic human beings life, even if I do say so myself. You don't have the first clue about persecution, lack of dignity and state abuse to the degree that I have experienced it. Other than someone wrongfully thrown in prison or slayed by the state, there are few who have experienced what I have.

So you can mock my nation, I will continue to fight for America, for Americanism, or American soldiers, your values, capitalism. I will continue to fight without a weapon, but with facts; socialists, closet commies and those who wish to bury America. You are the last hope on this planet for individual liberty and so many of you don't even know it.

Let's pretend for a minute that I believe your story, what did this nation gain, what changes were made due to your sacrifice?

And I do not hate your country at all, I hate people from your country, or any other, telling us how to run our country. We do not really want or need your advice.

Any changes made wouldn't be so obvious and I can tell you I worked my tail off. I do find it interesting that imports from Canada actually fell during the Obama years. I also find it inspiring that Trump and others outside of Trump that don't get MSM support have stated that NAFTA has not been on the level and abuses by even allies has been going on for far too long without confrontation.

If I had to guess how many have at least heard some of my story, even anonymously on a forum like this, it has to be in the 10's of thousands over the 12 years or so. This is in addition to the hundreds of politicians and government agencies in the U.S and Europe I have reached out to who know who I am, where I live, have harassed and interfered in my life and know what usernames I use online. It motivates me truth be told.

So you might not want to hear my advice, but I do think you need it. Just as I needed to understand the reality of liberty outside Canada, which so many Canadians are naive and ignorant of. There are many incorrect views of Canada and socialism, people are starting to wake up in America to the dangers and this is very important.

Perhaps if you were giving original thought and not just parroting the GOP taking points, your advise could be useful. But now, not so much. You are offering anything different than 75% of the people on this board


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I would not be surprised if that was the plan all along. Everyone keeps underestimating the President and this would be classic Donald Trump.
Maybe that's what he meant when he said "I'm not gonna do this again". Libs get PP funding (for a year) and we get The Wall (forever). Brilliant.

Yep, that would be great. I can see Trump now...

"Yes, I know I told you 1000 times that Mexico was going to pay for the wall, but since I lied I am now taking money from our beloved armed forces and using to build the wall that I lied and said Mexico would build"

That is a winning campaign ad for sure!
Too bad you can't just be honest enough to admit that the left's entire agenda is to keep Trump from fulfilling his promises because having your subversive party in power is the only thing that matters to you and every other liberal even if it means American citizens dying at the hands of drug traffickers and terrorists coming across our southern border.
 
I am reading this from so many on twitter They suggest as it is an omnibus, it is ongoign resolution and only "recommended" to be spent a particular way, but the president has leeway. They said Oama did this very thing when he was president.

So, is this true? Even if it isn't true per se, what is stopping Trump from rightfully deeming the border issue a National Security issue, as he did with tariffs and just build it with the funds? Who can stop him from making this decision?
You think he can take away money earmarked for a pay increase to military personnel and use it to build a wall?

I'd like to see him try.
He would. I don't doubt it.
 
I would not be surprised if that was the plan all along. Everyone keeps underestimating the President and this would be classic Donald Trump.
Maybe that's what he meant when he said "I'm not gonna do this again". Libs get PP funding (for a year) and we get The Wall (forever). Brilliant.

Yep, that would be great. I can see Trump now...

"Yes, I know I told you 1000 times that Mexico was going to pay for the wall, but since I lied I am now taking money from our beloved armed forces and using to build the wall that I lied and said Mexico would build"

That is a winning campaign ad for sure!
Too bad you can't just be honest enough to admit that the left's entire agenda is to keep Trump from fulfilling his promises because having your subversive party in power is the only thing that matters to you and every other liberal even if it means American citizens dying at the hands of drug traffickers and terrorists coming across our southern border.

I am a Libertarian so my party has never been in power and won't be for some time to come.

My plan to control the southern border is better than a stupid fuckign wall and saves the US money vice spending it.

But Trump wants his Mt Rushmore and you sheep are dying to give it to him.
 
I am reading this from so many on twitter They suggest as it is an omnibus, it is ongoign resolution and only "recommended" to be spent a particular way, but the president has leeway. They said Oama did this very thing when he was president.

So, is this true? Even if it isn't true per se, what is stopping Trump from rightfully deeming the border issue a National Security issue, as he did with tariffs and just build it with the funds? Who can stop him from making this decision?

Money that was appropriated for the border wall/fence and security in 2006, 2009 and 2012 hasn't been spent yet.
Why should the President redirect spending towards the wall if the powers that be aren't going to build it ... :dunno:

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As many suggest, let the military build it. All he has to do is buy the panels. Engineers can use the OT
 
I am reading this from so many on twitter They suggest as it is an omnibus, it is ongoign resolution and only "recommended" to be spent a particular way, but the president has leeway. They said Oama did this very thing when he was president.

So, is this true? Even if it isn't true per se, what is stopping Trump from rightfully deeming the border issue a National Security issue, as he did with tariffs and just build it with the funds? Who can stop him from making this decision?
You think he can take away money earmarked for a pay increase to military personnel and use it to build a wall?

I'd like to see him try.
/——/ He will take it away from planned parenthood and spend it on the wall you dolt.
 
I am reading this from so many on twitter They suggest as it is an omnibus, it is ongoign resolution and only "recommended" to be spent a particular way, but the president has leeway. They said Oama did this very thing when he was president.

So, is this true? Even if it isn't true per se, what is stopping Trump from rightfully deeming the border issue a National Security issue, as he did with tariffs and just build it with the funds? Who can stop him from making this decision?
just wasting money.
 
I am reading this from so many on twitter They suggest as it is an omnibus, it is ongoign resolution and only "recommended" to be spent a particular way, but the president has leeway. They said Oama did this very thing when he was president.

So, is this true? Even if it isn't true per se, what is stopping Trump from rightfully deeming the border issue a National Security issue, as he did with tariffs and just build it with the funds? Who can stop him from making this decision?
You think he can take away money earmarked for a pay increase to military personnel and use it to build a wall?

I'd like to see him try.
/——/ He will take it away from planned parenthood and spend it on the wall you dolt.

How confident are you that he will do that? You willing to make a wager on it?
 
I would not be surprised if that was the plan all along. Everyone keeps underestimating the President and this would be classic Donald Trump.
Maybe that's what he meant when he said "I'm not gonna do this again". Libs get PP funding (for a year) and we get The Wall (forever). Brilliant.
Exactly right. Dum dum liberals (Schumer, Pelosi, et al) were laughing and patting themselves on the back, thinking they stopped the wall. Actually Trump is getting his cake and eating it too, with cherries on top. The wall is a defense item, and it simply will be paid for (initially) out of the defense budget which is huge - $700 Billion (largest ever).

Democrats are finding out what propelled the New York, real estate, multi-billionaire deal-maker to the heights that he reached (+ becoming POTUS). I can't wait to see their faces when the Army Corps of Engineers (my old unit) starts arriving at the border.
 
I would not be surprised if that was the plan all along. Everyone keeps underestimating the President and this would be classic Donald Trump.
Maybe that's what he meant when he said "I'm not gonna do this again". Libs get PP funding (for a year) and we get The Wall (forever). Brilliant.
Exactly right. Dum dum liberals (Schumer, Pelosi, et al) were laughing and patting themselves on the back, thinking they stopped the wall. Actually Trump is getting his cake and eating it too, with cherries on top. The wall is a defense item, and it simply will be paid for (initially) out of the defense budget which is huge - $700 Billion (largest ever).

Democrats are finding out what propelled the New York, real estate, multi-billionaire deal-maker to the heights that he reached (+ becoming POTUS). I can't wait to see their faces when the Army Corps of Engineers (my old unit) starts arriving at the border.

You willing to make a wager on if this happens or not?
 
I am a Libertarian so my party has never been in power and won't be for some time to come.
Sure you are, that's why you walk in lockstep with the socialists and communists in the Democratic Party. LOL
My plan to control the southern border is better than a stupid fuckign wall and saves the US money vice spending it.
"Your plan"? You say that like you're important or something. Besides that, it's not YOUR plan, it's a liberal talking point that's been used repeatedly for over a year now. You're not fooling anybody, you're a liberal hack. Libertarian...hahahahaha
 
I don't know what will happen, but I did notice he tweeted something to the effect that the wall involved National Security, and they needed to prevent "enemy combatants" from crossing the border.

An extremely strong manner in which to describe what is going on. Especially coupled with his other comments that he gave with Mattis. It could be some rogue to save face with his voters, or it could be a planned strong arm effort o his part to force the wall and make the Supreme Court try and prevent it. I suggest, like the economy and tariffs, he has a very strong argument.

He could march in hundreds dozens of border agents along the way to support the statement of the border being a National Security risk. He could provide great details provided by government statistics and agencies on the number already in the nation illegally, the cost to the economy (itself a National Security interest), the crime rates and even any foreign agents which surely have been arrested at some point or another over the last 30 years. Some counter intel agents, historians, FBI agents present and past.

The border is a Federal concern overseen by the purview of the President is it not?

Again, I would bet that he DOESN'T do it. However, if there were a Hail Mary of all Hail Mary's that could work AND would increase his popularity significantly, it would be this. At the very least, the potential success of such an order could force Dems to the table to accept DACA. They would then share political gain for the DACA settlement, while Trump would get full marks for the border.
 
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