I'm Starting To Change My Mind About Trump

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The MAGA are confused yet again.

 

[DudleySmith]

Try this translation.
The more votes Trump gets, the bigger the devastation when Democrat fraud wins again.

They've completely shot up their credibility, especially their media hacks. they have nothing left but heavy handed Soviet style dictatorship tactics now.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

He didn't actually show them to anyone. He held them up and waved them. No one could tell you the details of what was in those documents because they didn't actually see them. Hell, for all they knew, Trump could have been lying about it all.

Were you there?

 

[Independent thinker]

Nope, because not only did she not delete them, she instructed a technician to delete them more than a year earlier. So where is her crime?

The emails were deleted after a subpoena to retain evidence. By the way, setting up a private server in her basement holding ALL classified info is a crime.

 

[Independent thinker]

Nope, it's not a precedent. If it were actually a precedent, NO ONE could actually ever be prosecuted for that again. And people have been.

Besides, it's not even the same law. Trump is not charged with destroying government records.

So, you're argument is that it is ok to change precedent as long as it is politically motivated against the other side.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Why don't you provide the link, or are you afraid it would make you look bad?

Because I did not make the claim.

 

[scruffy]

They've completely shot up their credibility, especially their media hacks. they have nothing left but heavy handed Soviet style dictatorship tactics now.

Which aren't going to fly.

People are already being removed.

Six DA's already.

Dont forget Soviet style corruption, that too.

 

[Rumpole]

I never liked Trump. Didn't vote for him in 2016 (didn't vote for Hillary either). Only voted for him in 2020 because I didn't want socialism. Didn't want him to be president or win the nomination in 2024. I truly believed that if he won in 2024 he would be consumed and obsessed with revenge and that with all the other problems facing us, him being elected would not be best for the country. I felt we needed to get past revenge and concentrate on the things which are best for our country and I sincerely believe Trump would be unable to do that so I had no intention of voting for Trump in the primaries or in the general.

BUT

That has all changed with the DOJ's recent nonsense indictments (in addition to all of the other abuses of power by Democrats over the last six years). It has become abundantly clear that the greatest threat to our country is not inflation, it is not a looming recession, it is not our national debt, and it is not us being on the brink of WWIII. The greatest threat facing our country right now is the total and complete abuse of power and weaponization of government agencies including the DOJ, the FBI, and even the CIA by the Democrats, who also want to take away our first amendment rights, our second amendment rights, and are indoctrinating our children as the Nazi's did in Germany. These people need purging and revenge is needed to purge these anti-Americans from our government and our government agencies. We are facing the greatest threat this country has ever faced and revenge is the only way for us to turn it around. We need to begin our own Nuremberg trials of the Democrats and give them the justice they deserve.

During his campaign before the 2016 election, Trump said:

“In my administration, I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.”

"We can't have someone in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified."

BUT........

Trump admitted that he had documents he didn't classify, and admitted they were secret to persons
without security clearances.

He expressed to his lawyer 'wouldn't it be better if we told them there were no documents?'.

Trump obstructed the govts efforts to retrieve national defense top secret documents.

He hid them from the FBI and his own lawyers.

They were placed in restrooms, shower stalls, open ballrooms and storage rooms.

Over 150 weddings and events have been held ad Mar A Lago since Trump left office.

He revealed them to persons without security clearances.

The indictment, in excruciating detail, reveals the criminal disregard for security the nation's secrets.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf

Such are the aggravated circumstances relating to national defense documents which is the DOJ's policy
is to prosecute.

Neither Pence nor Biden did this. As long as Senators and Exec branch personnel with documents cooperate fully with the govt for their return, DOJ's policy is that they will be given the benefit of the doubt that they were acquired inadvertently. It would require aggravated circumstances to warrant prosecution, as is the case with Trump.

Any other person would have been arrested, book, tried, convicted and incarcerated.

Reality winner got 5 years for just revealing to the public just one document.

Clearly, you are not paying attention. We cannot have a commander in chief violating the Espionage Act with the kind of aggravated circumstances that have been committed by Trump.

 

[DudleySmith]

Were you there?

Were you? The FBI had already investigated and found nothing. Then they changed their minds when ordered to.

 

[georgephillip]

The greatest threat facing our country right now is the total and complete abuse of power and weaponization of government agencies including the DOJ, the FBI, and even the CIA by the Democrats, who also want to take away our first amendment rights, our second amendment rights, and are indoctrinating our children as the Nazi's did in Germany.

Given the history between the Nazis and the Bush family, why are you laying all blame for the erosion of civil liberties on Democrats?

"Surveillance Without Limit -- Part 2
"By Laurence W. Britt A version of this article appeared in the 'Daily Record' on August 13, 2008.

"Both houses of Congress and the President have recently signed off on revisions to the FISA law, which minimally increase oversight but leave under a veil of secrecy all past practices, whether legal or not.

"Telecommunication companies, that might have been involved in illegal activity, are now immune from civil suits.

"The suits would have shed a light on what the Bush administration has been up to.

"According to sworn statements of former telecommunication workers, some of this surveillance activity occurred before 9/11."

Surveillance Without Limit -- Part 2

 

[Rumpole]

They've completely shot up their credibility, especially their media hacks. they have nothing left but heavy handed Soviet style dictatorship tactics now.

Please abstain from gaslighting this forum:

Now, let's review the facts, sans hyperbole and rant langauge.

During his campaign before the 2016 election, Trump said:

“In my administration, I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.”

"We can't have someone in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified."

Trump admitted that he had documents he didn't classify, and admitted they were secret to persons
without security clearances.

He expressed to his lawyer 'wouldn't it be better if we told them there were no documents?'.

Trump obstructed the govts efforts to retrieve national defense top secret documents.

He hid them from the FBI and his own lawyers.

They were placed in restrooms, shower stalls, open ballrooms and storage rooms.

Over 150 weddings and events have been held ad Mar A Lago since Trump left office.

He revealed them to persons without security clearances.

The indictment, in excruciating detail, reveals the criminal disregard for security the nation's secrets.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653/gov.uscourts.flsd.648653.3.0.pdf

Such are the aggravated circumstances relating to national defense documents which is the DOJ's policy
is to prosecute.

Neither Pence nor Biden did this. As long as Senators and Exec branch personnel with documents cooperate fully with the govt for their return, DOJ's policy is that they will be given the benefit of the doubt that they were acquired inadvertently. It would require aggravated circumstances to warrant prosecution, as is the case with Trump.

Any other person who committed the aggravated acts Trump committed would have been arrested, book, tried, convicted and incarcerated.

Reality winner got 5 years for just revealing to the public just one document.

We cannot have a commander in chief violating the Espionage Act with the kind of aggravated circumstances that have been committed by Trump.

 

[DudleySmith]

Please abstain from gaslighting this forum:

lol now that's ironic.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump has been caught fairly and squarely, and he will be tried.

Any gaslighting will be kicked up said lighter's ass.

 

[Rumpole]

The emails were deleted after a subpoena to retain evidence. By the way, setting up a private server in her basement holding ALL classified info is a crime.

A republican Dir of the FBI decided there wasn't enough to warrant indictment.

Only 3 of 30k emails were marked with 'confidential'. That's enough for a reprimand, but not an indictment.

they were deleted by her server manager. No evidence was provided by him that Hillary, who ordered him to delete 2 weeks prior to the subpoena, have been provided.

 

[Rumpole]

lol now that's ironic.

Look up the word 'ironic'. also, please do not truncate my posts, and address the other points you have ignored.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

describes those afflicted with Trump Devotion Syndrome

 

[Missourian]

Good. The more that support him, the bigger he loses in 2024.

Biden couldn't beat a pinata.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Hillary purposely deleted 30,000 emails she never gave back. So, you're saying that if Trump had burned all the classified documents so that he couldn't give them back, like Hillary, then he wouldn't be charged. What Hillary did was far worse than what Trump did.

If we were in a courtroom you would learn that what HRC did was not what Trump is accused of doing. Hillary’s alleged crime was conducting State Department official business emails on her personal server in potential violation of one of these:

• The Federal Records Actrequires agencies hold ontoofficial communications, including all work-related emails, and government employees cannot destroy or remove relevant records.
• FOIA is designed to "improve public access to agency records and information."
• The NARA regulationsdictate how records should be created and maintained. They stress that materials must be maintained "by the agency," that they should be "readily found" and that the records must "make possible a proper scrutiny by the Congress."
• Section 1924 of Title 18 has to do with deletion and retention of classified documents. "Knowingly" removing or housing classified information at an "unauthorized location" is subject to a fine or a year in prison.

Hillary did not have to give personal emails back - the problem was she was the one who filtered what emails were personal versus state official business. She claimed to have given all but personal back. She didn’t destroy or hide physical files marked classified at the highest top secret levels that are meant to be stored in specific way if you handle them. THAT IS WHY Trump lied at first about BEING able to declassify what he was in his possession as actual physical files.

It’s not possible to ever know (unless the Russians ever answer Trump’s 2016 request) that what was deleted from Clinton's private server contained damaging classified material and it was her intent to hide some deliberate nefarious activity or took classified material to use for personal gain or to show to the wrong people. HRC has never been found to have violated the letter of the law. { nf23.06.11 #378 to thnkr)

 

[Independent thinker]

Were you there?

The DOJ said he just flashed them at everyone.

 

[Independent thinker]

Because I did not make the claim.

Ah, then you can't dispute what he said.