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Um okay. How would this unfold exactly? See because if everyone left those jobs and the demand to fill them would go up, there still wouldn’t be anyone left. More importantly, if everyone left those jobs, by sheer mathematics, MOST of those people wouldn’t land a job we are talking about. Those people would either be unemployed or go back to the jobs you think will magically raise in wage.Okay again this a matter of simple mathematics. If everyone took your advice, who would be left behind to fill those jobs?still way below the cost of living needs for a person working 40 hours a week
So don't work for them.
No one forces anyone to take a job that doesn't support their needs. If you aren't making enough money at your job, change jobs or spend less.
Here's a little piece of economics that they teach in schools... called Supply and Demand. If there is no one around willing to take a job at a low wage, the wage increases.
This continues until a) the job becomes obsolete due to automation or it becomes obsolete because those who previously paid for the service no longer consider that job worth it.
At one time, a huge part of low end of the US labor force were employed domestics .
Automation and the adaptation of less pretentious lifestyles among the upper classes has significantly reduced that number.
Live-in, full time domestics have practically disappeared.
Dude, illegal immigration has always been a thing. Why would anyone support “unlimited immigration”? What the fuck are you even talking about? Liberals don’t want “open borders”. There simply isn’t an immigration crisis to speak of. Just because it still happens, it doesn’t somehow make it a crisis because it has always been a thing. Even if you magically sealed the border and deported all illegals, it wouldn’t somehow turn the US into some economic utopia.Net migration from Mexico has been decreasing since 2008. There is no such thing as a border crisis unless you think any level of illegal immigration through out history was a crisis.'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage
Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”
Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan
He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.
The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.
Maybe bringing in more millions of illegals will reduce housing costs, health care and increase wages. How about it?
You dodged my points.
You want affordable housing and "living" wages while simultaneously supporting unlimited immigration, legal or otherwise, and you demand welfare for the 23 million illegals (and growing) that are here and everyone else that follows them here. Either you want the former or you want the latter but you cannot have both.
No, you really just don’t have any idea what you are talking about lolUm okay. How would this unfold exactly? See because if everyone left those jobs and the demand to fill them would go up, there still wouldn’t be anyone left. More importantly, if everyone left those jobs, by sheer mathematics, MOST of those people wouldn’t land a job we are talking about. Those people would either be unemployed or go back to the jobs you think will magically raise in wage.Okay again this a matter of simple mathematics. If everyone took your advice, who would be left behind to fill those jobs?still way below the cost of living needs for a person working 40 hours a week
So don't work for them.
No one forces anyone to take a job that doesn't support their needs. If you aren't making enough money at your job, change jobs or spend less.
Here's a little piece of economics that they teach in schools... called Supply and Demand. If there is no one around willing to take a job at a low wage, the wage increases.
This continues until a) the job becomes obsolete due to automation or it becomes obsolete because those who previously paid for the service no longer consider that job worth it.
At one time, a huge part of low end of the US labor force were employed domestics .
Automation and the adaptation of less pretentious lifestyles among the upper classes has significantly reduced that number.
Live-in, full time domestics have practically disappeared.
If I have to explain supply and demand to you ... it's a conversation not worth having. Go back to an accredited school for a few years, spend a few more in the actual private labor market then we can speak again.
Those people would either be unemployed or go back to the jobs you think will magically raise in wage.
Um it’s basic mathematics that if everyone left those jobs that can’t support 2 bedroom, the large majority of them would be unemployed because the jobs they seek simply don’t exist.Those people would either be unemployed or go back to the jobs you think will magically raise in wage.
In a FREE-market system (meaning it's not socialist, communist or fascist) wages rise when companies are productive (profitable and growing) and are competing with one another for employees.
Wages become stagnant when there is an abundance of workers (such as too many immigrants) and/or when business is slow.
This is basic economics.
Dude, illegal immigration has always been a thing. Why would anyone support “unlimited immigration”? What the fuck are you even talking about? Liberals don’t want “open borders”. There simply isn’t an immigration crisis to speak of. Just because it still happens, it doesn’t somehow make it a crisis because it has always been a thing. Even if you magically sealed the border and deported all illegals, it wouldn’t somehow turn the US into some economic utopia.Net migration from Mexico has been decreasing since 2008. There is no such thing as a border crisis unless you think any level of illegal immigration through out history was a crisis.'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage
Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”
Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan
He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.
The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.
Maybe bringing in more millions of illegals will reduce housing costs, health care and increase wages. How about it?
You dodged my points.
You want affordable housing and "living" wages while simultaneously supporting unlimited immigration, legal or otherwise, and you demand welfare for the 23 million illegals (and growing) that are here and everyone else that follows them here. Either you want the former or you want the latter but you cannot have both.
Um it’s basic mathematics that if everyone left those jobs that can’t support 2 bedroom, the large majority of them would be unemployed because the jobs they seek simply don’t exist.Those people would either be unemployed or go back to the jobs you think will magically raise in wage.
In a FREE-market system (meaning it's not socialist, communist or fascist) wages rise when companies are productive (profitable and growing) and are competing with one another for employees.
Wages become stagnant when there is an abundance of workers (such as too many immigrants) and/or when business is slow.
This is basic economics.
Um no they don’t. The unemployment rate is still like 3% at the end of the day. Do you see how basic statistics unravel your premise?Dude, illegal immigration has always been a thing. Why would anyone support “unlimited immigration”? What the fuck are you even talking about? Liberals don’t want “open borders”. There simply isn’t an immigration crisis to speak of. Just because it still happens, it doesn’t somehow make it a crisis because it has always been a thing. Even if you magically sealed the border and deported all illegals, it wouldn’t somehow turn the US into some economic utopia.Net migration from Mexico has been decreasing since 2008. There is no such thing as a border crisis unless you think any level of illegal immigration through out history was a crisis.'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage
Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”
Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan
He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.
The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.
Maybe bringing in more millions of illegals will reduce housing costs, health care and increase wages. How about it?
You dodged my points.
You want affordable housing and "living" wages while simultaneously supporting unlimited immigration, legal or otherwise, and you demand welfare for the 23 million illegals (and growing) that are here and everyone else that follows them here. Either you want the former or you want the latter but you cannot have both.
Immigration, legal or otherwise, has an impact on our nation. Controlled immigration is generally positive. What we have now is too much immigration and it's detrimental for poor and middle-class Americans.
Nah, you just know I’m right.Um it’s basic mathematics that if everyone left those jobs that can’t support 2 bedroom, the large majority of them would be unemployed because the jobs they seek simply don’t exist.Those people would either be unemployed or go back to the jobs you think will magically raise in wage.
In a FREE-market system (meaning it's not socialist, communist or fascist) wages rise when companies are productive (profitable and growing) and are competing with one another for employees.
Wages become stagnant when there is an abundance of workers (such as too many immigrants) and/or when business is slow.
This is basic economics.
You are economically illiterate. If you weren't, you wouldn't be a liberal.
Um no they don’t. The unemployment rate is still like 3% at the end of the day. Do you see how basic statistics unravel your premise?Dude, illegal immigration has always been a thing. Why would anyone support “unlimited immigration”? What the fuck are you even talking about? Liberals don’t want “open borders”. There simply isn’t an immigration crisis to speak of. Just because it still happens, it doesn’t somehow make it a crisis because it has always been a thing. Even if you magically sealed the border and deported all illegals, it wouldn’t somehow turn the US into some economic utopia.Net migration from Mexico has been decreasing since 2008. There is no such thing as a border crisis unless you think any level of illegal immigration through out history was a crisis.Maybe bringing in more millions of illegals will reduce housing costs, health care and increase wages. How about it?
You dodged my points.
You want affordable housing and "living" wages while simultaneously supporting unlimited immigration, legal or otherwise, and you demand welfare for the 23 million illegals (and growing) that are here and everyone else that follows them here. Either you want the former or you want the latter but you cannot have both.
Immigration, legal or otherwise, has an impact on our nation. Controlled immigration is generally positive. What we have now is too much immigration and it's detrimental for poor and middle-class Americans.
I accept your concession of defeat.Um no they don’t. The unemployment rate is still like 3% at the end of the day. Do you see how basic statistics unravel your premise?Dude, illegal immigration has always been a thing. Why would anyone support “unlimited immigration”? What the fuck are you even talking about? Liberals don’t want “open borders”. There simply isn’t an immigration crisis to speak of. Just because it still happens, it doesn’t somehow make it a crisis because it has always been a thing. Even if you magically sealed the border and deported all illegals, it wouldn’t somehow turn the US into some economic utopia.Net migration from Mexico has been decreasing since 2008. There is no such thing as a border crisis unless you think any level of illegal immigration through out history was a crisis.
You dodged my points.
You want affordable housing and "living" wages while simultaneously supporting unlimited immigration, legal or otherwise, and you demand welfare for the 23 million illegals (and growing) that are here and everyone else that follows them here. Either you want the former or you want the latter but you cannot have both.
Immigration, legal or otherwise, has an impact on our nation. Controlled immigration is generally positive. What we have now is too much immigration and it's detrimental for poor and middle-class Americans.
Billy000 You're too fucking stupid to engage further.
You were doing pretty good until this comment. Oh well...Um it’s basic mathematics that if everyone left those jobs that can’t support 2 bedroom, the large majority of them would be unemployed because the jobs they seek simply don’t exist.Those people would either be unemployed or go back to the jobs you think will magically raise in wage.
In a FREE-market system (meaning it's not socialist, communist or fascist) wages rise when companies are productive (profitable and growing) and are competing with one another for employees.
Wages become stagnant when there is an abundance of workers (such as too many immigrants) and/or when business is slow.
This is basic economics.
You are economically illiterate. If you weren't, you wouldn't be a liberal.
Well let's make a list. Things poor people need.Weed and Che t shirts aren't on the table. A roof over head is.Well gee, that’s a brilliant solution. Okay so let’s pretend everyone did that despite such a thing being mathematically impossible. Who would be left behind to work those minimum wage jobs? I mean we are also talking about service jobs that pay more than minimum wage but still very much south of a live able wage.Don't work for minimum wage... problem solved.
Take a job, for a wage is, at least until Communism is installed in the US, a voluntary act.
There will always be those too lazy or unskilled to work for anything but the lowest wages. But, by agreeing to a wage that somehow doesn't provide you with enough weed or che t-shirts, you've lost the moral right to demand more.
If you aren't satisfied with your low wages, go do something else.
Otherwise, take what you agreed to take when you took the job and like it.
I don't know what poor people need ... I just go by what I see.
No, you really just don’t have any idea what you are talking about lol
It wouldn’t matter if I owned a business and paid my employees $20 per hour. It wouldn’t somehow fix the actual problem at hand would it? Wages by and large would still be way behind on the rate of inflation.No, you really just don’t have any idea what you are talking about lol
Curious Billy000 just exactly what dollar amount do you start your employees at? Share your business expertise with us...
No, you really just don’t have any idea what you are talking about lol
Curious Billy000 just exactly what dollar amount do you start your employees at? Share your business expertise with us...
Who are we protecting? Landlords or tenants?
Need a credible source for this. The posted article tries to set an arbitrary rent affordability standard, then uses ONLY metropolitan areas as a means of supporting their cherry-picked data.
If you can't afford a two-bedroom apartment, rent a one-bedroom apartment. If you can't afford that, move back in with mommy and daddy.
Both of My daughters make more than minimum wage, but they are not making huge wages, along with their husbands who are also not making huge wages; yet they both own their own homes on less than I would say is 25 per hour combined income.
The OP is full of shit.
/—-/ This is just plain racist and homophobic. Minimum wage should allow a worker bee to live in Malibu at the very least.'A national problem': U.S. housing affordability is out of whack with minimum wage
Obviously this should bother republican voters, but they have this fantasy mindset that Trump will turn this country into some kind of utopia despite the fact that he had two years to do so with a republican Congress. Their only response when presented with this is the usual pathetic deflection of “well Obama didn’t do it! Derp, derp, derp!”
Now granted Obama achieved little in improving the lives of the middle class and poor besides a few policies. These policies include 1) helping to reverse the Great Recession he inherited from Bush 6 months into his presidency and producing job growth EVER SINCE. 2) Expanding OT pay eligibility for thousands of US workers 3) guaranteeing people receive healthcare from pre-existing conditions, 4) passing the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan
He also TRIED to invest education and raise the minimum wage but was blocked by republicans.
The point I am making is that republicans do fucking NOTHING to help the poor and middle class but democrats at least make an attempt despite failing on a significant scale. This nuance matters whether you like it or not.
