Incremental Totalitarianism

[ScreamingEagle]

So totalitarianism can be avoided if we limit gay rights?

Want to apply that logic to gun rights?

where in the Constitution does it protect thieves, murderers, pedophiles, polygamists, or fags...?

 

[dblack]

then how about protecting the rights of people whose society might be murdered....?

None of us own society. It's not your property, nor mine.

the Constitution belongs to all of us....

however your leftie liberalism is trampling all over freedom of religion....even to the point of dissing The Little Sisters of the Poor.....

you might as well call this murdering America...

What you don't get, what statists and authoritarians like you and leftists here never get, is that if you don't want your rights trampled by the other guy, you have to respect limits on government that protect all our rights. If you don't want government to force values on Little Sisters of the Poor, you've got to accept that you cant force your values on the gays.

Neither side gets this. You just fight over who gets to be in control. What's wrong with live and let live?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

None of us own society. It's not your property, nor mine.

the Constitution belongs to all of us....

however your leftie liberalism is trampling all over freedom of religion....even to the point of dissing The Little Sisters of the Poor.....

you might as well call this murdering America...

What you don't get, what statists and authoritarians like you and leftists here never get, is that if you don't want your rights trampled by the other guy, you have to respect limits on government that protect all our rights. If you don't want government to force values on Little Sisters of the Poor, you've got to accept that you cant force your values on the gays.

Neither side gets this. You just fight over who gets to be in control. What's wrong with live and let live?

i have no problem with that.......IF that is what the people of a state want to vote for.....as long as it is Constitutional...

what you libertarians don't get is that society cannot operate in a vacuum...society's values are always reflected in the laws....

which is why having so many states is great.....we can accomodate the differences....

however the Left wants to mandate their beliefs upon everybody from a centralized totalitarian government...

 

[dblack]

the Constitution belongs to all of us....

however your leftie liberalism is trampling all over freedom of religion....even to the point of dissing The Little Sisters of the Poor.....

you might as well call this murdering America...

What you don't get, what statists and authoritarians like you and leftists here never get, is that if you don't want your rights trampled by the other guy, you have to respect limits on government that protect all our rights. If you don't want government to force values on Little Sisters of the Poor, you've got to accept that you cant force your values on the gays.

Neither side gets this. You just fight over who gets to be in control. What's wrong with live and let live?

i have no problem with that.......IF that is what the people of a state want to vote for.....as long as it is Constitutional...

what you libertarians don't get is that society cannot operate in a vacuum...society's values are always reflected in the laws....

Sure, to a degree. But it's not the job of government to dictate society's values. Government is our servant, not our master.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

What you don't get, what statists and authoritarians like you and leftists here never get, is that if you don't want your rights trampled by the other guy, you have to respect limits on government that protect all our rights. If you don't want government to force values on Little Sisters of the Poor, you've got to accept that you cant force your values on the gays.

Neither side gets this. You just fight over who gets to be in control. What's wrong with live and let live?

i have no problem with that.......IF that is what the people of a state want to vote for.....as long as it is Constitutional...

what you libertarians don't get is that society cannot operate in a vacuum...society's values are always reflected in the laws....

Sure, to a degree. But it's not the job of government to dictate society's values. Government is our servant, not our master.

tell that to the little Caesars in Washington....

 

[Contumacious]

the Constitution belongs to all of us....

however your leftie liberalism is trampling all over freedom of religion....even to the point of dissing The Little Sisters of the Poor.....

you might as well call this murdering America...

What you don't get, what statists and authoritarians like you and leftists here never get, is that if you don't want your rights trampled by the other guy, you have to respect limits on government that protect all our rights. If you don't want government to force values on Little Sisters of the Poor, you've got to accept that you cant force your values on the gays.

Neither side gets this. You just fight over who gets to be in control. What's wrong with live and let live?

i have no problem with that.......IF that is what the people of a state want to vote for.....as long as it is Constitutional...

what you libertarians don't get is that society cannot operate in a vacuum...society's values are always reflected in the laws....

What you "conservatives" - actually fascists - do not understand is that the Constitution protects INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS - not "society's" rights, whatever the fuck the latter means.

While incremental totalitarianism - the boiling frog syndrome - is a fact of life -

But unless a government act affects our right to life, liberty , property or to pursue happiness
you do not have a valid basis to complain.

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[ScreamingEagle]

What you don't get, what statists and authoritarians like you and leftists here never get, is that if you don't want your rights trampled by the other guy, you have to respect limits on government that protect all our rights. If you don't want government to force values on Little Sisters of the Poor, you've got to accept that you cant force your values on the gays.

Neither side gets this. You just fight over who gets to be in control. What's wrong with live and let live?

i have no problem with that.......IF that is what the people of a state want to vote for.....as long as it is Constitutional...

what you libertarians don't get is that society cannot operate in a vacuum...society's values are always reflected in the laws....

What you "conservatives" - actually fascists - do not understand is that the Constitution protects INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS - not "society's" rights, whatever the fuck the latter means.

While incremental totalitarianism - the boiling frog syndrome - is a fact of life -

But unless a government act affects our right to life, liberty , property or to pursue happiness
you do not have a valid basis to complain.

.

conservatives are not 'fascists'......if anyone is fascist it is the lefties....or do you forget that NAZIs were members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.....?

if freedom of conscience is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.....why are the lefties against it...?

religious people do not want to bake gay wedding cakes or teach their children that gay marriage is acceptable or be forced to provide abortifacients....why do you think the Left attacking their freedoms of conscience.....?

 

[BlindBoo]

banning same-sex marriage is not necessarily a religious law...

i thought you weren't supposed to dictate beliefs to others in America....

what do you call banning same-sex marriage, if not dictating beliefs to others???

what do you call banning murder if not dictating beliefs to others...?

Mega-fail. Murder is not a belief, it is a crime.

(Unless of course it's a human sacrifice, and that falls under appeasement right? Left?)

 

[ScreamingEagle]

what do you call banning same-sex marriage, if not dictating beliefs to others???

what do you call banning murder if not dictating beliefs to others...?

Mega-fail. Murder is not a belief, it is a crime.

(Unless of course it's a human sacrifice, and that falls under appeasement right? Left?)

many think deliberately depriving a child of his real mother or father is a crime too....

heck i could probably look into the 'penumbra' of the law and declare it a violation of civil rights......or perhaps even a form of manslaughter...

 

[Contumacious]

i have no problem with that.......IF that is what the people of a state want to vote for.....as long as it is Constitutional...

what you libertarians don't get is that society cannot operate in a vacuum...society's values are always reflected in the laws....

What you "conservatives" - actually fascists - do not understand is that the Constitution protects INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS - not "society's" rights, whatever the fuck the latter means.

While incremental totalitarianism - the boiling frog syndrome - is a fact of life -

But unless a government act affects our right to life, liberty , property or to pursue happiness
you do not have a valid basis to complain.

.

conservatives are not 'fascists'......if anyone is fascist it is the lefties....or do you forget that NAZIs were members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.....?

ANY group or faction who uses governmental power to impose its dogma is fascist.

if freedom of conscience is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.....why are the lefties against it...?

If by that you mean " freedom of choice" and some faction is preventing you from exercising the same then you have a legitimate grievance.

I supported Arizona's bill which would have allowed Arizona's' businessmen to refuse to serve someone for whatever reason.

So a Restaurant named Red Neck R US should have the right not to cater to whomever they choose. I also supported the right of an outfit named "Blue Boy" from catering to rednecks.

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[BlindBoo]

i have no problem with that.......IF that is what the people of a state want to vote for.....as long as it is Constitutional...

what you libertarians don't get is that society cannot operate in a vacuum...society's values are always reflected in the laws....

What you "conservatives" - actually fascists - do not understand is that the Constitution protects INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS - not "society's" rights, whatever the fuck the latter means.

While incremental totalitarianism - the boiling frog syndrome - is a fact of life -

But unless a government act affects our right to life, liberty , property or to pursue happiness
you do not have a valid basis to complain.

.

conservatives are not 'fascists'......if anyone is fascist it is the lefties....or do you forget that NAZIs were members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.....?

if freedom of conscience is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.....why are the lefties against it...?

religious people do not want to bake gay wedding cakes or teach their children that gay marriage is acceptable or be forced to provide abortifacients....why do you think the Left attacking their freedoms of conscience.....?

NO. Hitler was not a Socialist, despite the claims of conservapedia.

Socialism - Conservapedia

Here are the major refutation points:

1.
The Nazis or National Socialists started in 1919 as a right wing, racist, militaristic working-class, lower-middle class organization. Hitler tells us in Mein Kampf that he picked the name in order to confuse members of the German Socialist, Marxist and Communist parties, or at least steal potential membership from them. At this time, the German Left was the most powerful left-wing force throughout Europe outside Russia. Throughout much of the Weimar Republic, the Left Wing was dominant and the Right wing was in retreat. The highly conservative, right wing and reactionary state, Bavaria, even became a Soviet Republic for a limited period of time in 1919.

Bavarian Soviet Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2.
The Nazis operated on the right-wing of the political spectrum. Hitler clearly admits this in numerous places in Mein Kampf. His earliest allies were members of the radical right wing German nationalist movement and also conservatives.

Men such as Ludendorff, Von Pappen, Hindenburg and the like were all conservative and/or right-wing nationalists and/or monarchists. They all hated eachother on a personal level, as all politicians often do, but they shared a common goal: the elimination of socialism, the preservation of Germany’s class system and the recreation of Germany’s militaristic culture and/or economy.

In no way did the Nazi Party operate within, or come from, the liberal or Leftist political tradition in either Germany, or any other country for that matter. Nobody at the time would have thought so, either. Hitler was a rightwing extremist trying to “cross-over” and win members of the radical middle, as well as convert a sufficient minority of folks on the Left. This does not make him a Leftist.

much more @ Was Hitler Really a Socialist? - Rw005g - Open Salon

 

[ScreamingEagle]

What you "conservatives" - actually fascists - do not understand is that the Constitution protects INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS - not "society's" rights, whatever the fuck the latter means.

While incremental totalitarianism - the boiling frog syndrome - is a fact of life -

But unless a government act affects our right to life, liberty , property or to pursue happiness
you do not have a valid basis to complain.

.

conservatives are not 'fascists'......if anyone is fascist it is the lefties....or do you forget that NAZIs were members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.....?

if freedom of conscience is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.....why are the lefties against it...?

religious people do not want to bake gay wedding cakes or teach their children that gay marriage is acceptable or be forced to provide abortifacients....why do you think the Left attacking their freedoms of conscience.....?

NO. Hitler was not a Socialist, despite the claims of conservapedia.

Socialism - Conservapedia

Here are the major refutation points:

1.
The Nazis or National Socialists started in 1919 as a right wing, racist, militaristic working-class, lower-middle class organization. Hitler tells us in Mein Kampf that he picked the name in order to confuse members of the German Socialist, Marxist and Communist parties, or at least steal potential membership from them. At this time, the German Left was the most powerful left-wing force throughout Europe outside Russia. Throughout much of the Weimar Republic, the Left Wing was dominant and the Right wing was in retreat. The highly conservative, right wing and reactionary state, Bavaria, even became a Soviet Republic for a limited period of time in 1919.

Bavarian Soviet Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2.
The Nazis operated on the right-wing of the political spectrum. Hitler clearly admits this in numerous places in Mein Kampf. His earliest allies were members of the radical right wing German nationalist movement and also conservatives.

Men such as Ludendorff, Von Pappen, Hindenburg and the like were all conservative and/or right-wing nationalists and/or monarchists. They all hated eachother on a personal level, as all politicians often do, but they shared a common goal: the elimination of socialism, the preservation of Germany’s class system and the recreation of Germany’s militaristic culture and/or economy.

In no way did the Nazi Party operate within, or come from, the liberal or Leftist political tradition in either Germany, or any other country for that matter. Nobody at the time would have thought so, either. Hitler was a rightwing extremist trying to “cross-over” and win members of the radical middle, as well as convert a sufficient minority of folks on the Left. This does not make him a Leftist.

much more @ Was Hitler Really a Socialist? - Rw005g - Open Salon

in other words Hitler used elements from both the far right and the far left.....both are similar in that FORCE rules....

if you take the line of left to right and put it in a circle you will note how close the two are...both are totalitarianism....