Individualism and the Right

[Agit8r]

I often hear that the political right stands for individualism. Is this true?

When it comes to workplace safety, do they support the individual workers right to life and limb, or are those acceptable sacrifices for the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to securing justice to victims of medical negligence and quackery, is their concern for the rights of the individual victim, or the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to product safety, are they concerned with the well-being of the individual consumer, or with the good of the collective Volk

Nay, it seems that the only concern for individualism is for that of high achievement, something along the same lines as:

"Let no one say that the picture produced as a first impression of human civilization is the impression of its achievement as a whole. This whole edifice of civilization is in its foundations and in all its stones nothing else than the result of the creative capacity, the achievement, the intelligence, the industry, of individuals"
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech to Dusseldorf Industry Club (Jan. 27, 1932)

You DID build that ...on top of the bones of the poor and meek.

 

[uscitizen]

Right wingers are all for individualism as long as the individuals agree with them.
Ask McCain, Christie, etc.

 

[bripat9643]

Right wingers are all for individualism as long as the individuals agree with them.
Ask McCain, Christie, etc.

What would McCain or Christie know about individualism?

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

Yea, I remember an interview with Rush Limbaugh after he got real famous, spouting off on "rugged individualism." Sure. Lewis and Clark, THAT was rugged individualism. What would anyone today, left or right, really know about rugged individualism?

 

[boedicca]

I often hear that the political right stands for individualism. Is this true?

When it comes to workplace safety, do they support the individual workers right to life and limb, or are those acceptable sacrifices for the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to securing justice to victims of medical negligence and quackery, is their concern for the rights of the individual victim, or the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to product safety, are they concerned with the well-being of the individual consumer, or with the good of the collective Volk

Nay, it seems that the only concern for individualism is for that of high achievement, something along the same lines as:

"Let no one say that the picture produced as a first impression of human civilization is the impression of its achievement as a whole. This whole edifice of civilization is in its foundations and in all its stones nothing else than the result of the creative capacity, the achievement, the intelligence, the industry, of individuals"
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech to Dusseldorf Industry Club (Jan. 27, 1932)

You DID build that ...on top of the bones of the poor and meek.

That's what people who use the Bad Luck excuse think.

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."

--- Robert A. Heinlein

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

In my opinion, you would do well to define your use of "political right," as well as enumerating how you arrived at your supposition, that the "political right" is only concerned with high achievement.

 

[bripat9643]

Yea, I remember an interview with Rush Limbaugh after he got real famous, spouting off on "rugged individualism." Sure. Lewis and Clark, THAT was rugged individualism. What would anyone today, left or right, really know about rugged individualism?

No one on the right ever uses the adjective "rugged" when referring to individualism. That's purely left-wing sarcasm.

 

[Crackerjaxon]

Of course individuals have the right to redress wrongs in court.

Who said they didn't?

Are you seriously trying to palm off the FDA as representing individual rights?

What a joke that is.

 

[Agit8r]

Yea, I remember an interview with Rush Limbaugh after he got real famous, spouting off on "rugged individualism." Sure. Lewis and Clark, THAT was rugged individualism. What would anyone today, left or right, really know about rugged individualism?

And least of all Rush Limbaugh...

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

Yea, I remember an interview with Rush Limbaugh after he got real famous, spouting off on "rugged individualism." Sure. Lewis and Clark, THAT was rugged individualism. What would anyone today, left or right, really know about rugged individualism?

No one on the right ever uses the adjective "rugged" when referring to individualism. That's purely left-wing sarcasm.

Well, I remember distinctly an interview at courtside during an NBA playoff game Limbaugh was at and an announcer interviewed him quick during a timeout, Arizona was Rush's pick because, among many things, they were "rugged individualists." He said it, I didn't.

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

Yea, I remember an interview with Rush Limbaugh after he got real famous, spouting off on "rugged individualism." Sure. Lewis and Clark, THAT was rugged individualism. What would anyone today, left or right, really know about rugged individualism?

And least of all Rush Limbaugh...

Given his serial failed marriages, I guess he is a true "individualist."

 

[Agit8r]

I often hear that the political right stands for individualism. Is this true?

When it comes to workplace safety, do they support the individual workers right to life and limb, or are those acceptable sacrifices for the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to securing justice to victims of medical negligence and quackery, is their concern for the rights of the individual victim, or the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to product safety, are they concerned with the well-being of the individual consumer, or with the good of the collective Volk

Nay, it seems that the only concern for individualism is for that of high achievement, something along the same lines as:

"Let no one say that the picture produced as a first impression of human civilization is the impression of its achievement as a whole. This whole edifice of civilization is in its foundations and in all its stones nothing else than the result of the creative capacity, the achievement, the intelligence, the industry, of individuals"
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech to Dusseldorf Industry Club (Jan. 27, 1932)

You DID build that ...on top of the bones of the poor and meek.

That's what people who use the Bad Luck excuse think.

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."

--- Robert A. Heinlein

If people believe that "the greatest good for the greatest number" is a sound philosophy, they are entitled to that opinion, but it is not consistent with individualism.

 

[whitehall]

I often hear that the political right stands for individualism. Is this true?

When it comes to workplace safety, do they support the individual workers right to life and limb, or are those acceptable sacrifices for the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to securing justice to victims of medical negligence and quackery, is their concern for the rights of the individual victim, or the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to product safety, are they concerned with the well-being of the individual consumer, or with the good of the collective Volk

Nay, it seems that the only concern for individualism is for that of high achievement, something along the same lines as:

"Let no one say that the picture produced as a first impression of human civilization is the impression of its achievement as a whole. This whole edifice of civilization is in its foundations and in all its stones nothing else than the result of the creative capacity, the achievement, the intelligence, the industry, of individuals"
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech to Dusseldorf Industry Club (Jan. 27, 1932)

You DID build that ...on top of the bones of the poor and meek.

The bones of the poor and meek? Maybe it's the union based education system that produces idiotic cliches and references to "human civilization" that some people think as profound. America saved the "poor and meek" in two freaking World Wars at the cost of almost a Million American lives. America's industry saved Europe from annihilation and we don't need any lectures from pip-squeak neo-socialist fascists about the concept of "individualism".

 

[Agit8r]

In my opinion, you would do well to define your use of "political right," as well as enumerating how you arrived at your supposition, that the "political right" is only concerned with high achievement.

Well, things like pollution controls, and safety standards are not a priority of the political right. They tend to be associated with the left. I don't think that they are truly either, but they are supported by the left, and are a target of the right in our present political construct.

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

I often hear that the political right stands for individualism. Is this true?

When it comes to workplace safety, do they support the individual workers right to life and limb, or are those acceptable sacrifices for the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to securing justice to victims of medical negligence and quackery, is their concern for the rights of the individual victim, or the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to product safety, are they concerned with the well-being of the individual consumer, or with the good of the collective Volk

Nay, it seems that the only concern for individualism is for that of high achievement, something along the same lines as:

"Let no one say that the picture produced as a first impression of human civilization is the impression of its achievement as a whole. This whole edifice of civilization is in its foundations and in all its stones nothing else than the result of the creative capacity, the achievement, the intelligence, the industry, of individuals"
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech to Dusseldorf Industry Club (Jan. 27, 1932)

You DID build that ...on top of the bones of the poor and meek.

The bones of the poor and meek? Maybe it's the union based education system that produces idiotic cliches and references to "human civilization" that some people think as profound. America saved the "poor and meek" in two freaking World Wars at the cost of almost a Million American lives. America's industry saved Europe from annihilation and we don't need any lectures from pip-squeak neo-socialist fascists about the concept of "individualism".

Are you always on a pissed off soap box, or did someone spit in your Cheerios this morning?

 

[Agit8r]

I often hear that the political right stands for individualism. Is this true?

When it comes to workplace safety, do they support the individual workers right to life and limb, or are those acceptable sacrifices for the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to securing justice to victims of medical negligence and quackery, is their concern for the rights of the individual victim, or the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to product safety, are they concerned with the well-being of the individual consumer, or with the good of the collective Volk

Nay, it seems that the only concern for individualism is for that of high achievement, something along the same lines as:

"Let no one say that the picture produced as a first impression of human civilization is the impression of its achievement as a whole. This whole edifice of civilization is in its foundations and in all its stones nothing else than the result of the creative capacity, the achievement, the intelligence, the industry, of individuals"
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech to Dusseldorf Industry Club (Jan. 27, 1932)

You DID build that ...on top of the bones of the poor and meek.

The bones of the poor and meek? Maybe it's the union based education system that produces idiotic cliches and references to "human civilization" that some people think as profound. America saved the "poor and meek" in two freaking World Wars at the cost of almost a Million American lives. America's industry saved Europe from annihilation and we don't need any lectures from pip-squeak neo-socialist fascists about the concept of "individualism".

perhaps, but that doesn't detract from the point

 

[boedicca]

I often hear that the political right stands for individualism. Is this true?

When it comes to workplace safety, do they support the individual workers right to life and limb, or are those acceptable sacrifices for the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to securing justice to victims of medical negligence and quackery, is their concern for the rights of the individual victim, or the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to product safety, are they concerned with the well-being of the individual consumer, or with the good of the collective Volk

Nay, it seems that the only concern for individualism is for that of high achievement, something along the same lines as:

"Let no one say that the picture produced as a first impression of human civilization is the impression of its achievement as a whole. This whole edifice of civilization is in its foundations and in all its stones nothing else than the result of the creative capacity, the achievement, the intelligence, the industry, of individuals"
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech to Dusseldorf Industry Club (Jan. 27, 1932)

You DID build that ...on top of the bones of the poor and meek.

That's what people who use the Bad Luck excuse think.

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."

--- Robert A. Heinlein

If people believe that "the greatest good for the greatest number" is a sound philosophy, they are entitled to that opinion, but it is not consistent with individualism.

Spoken like a true Totalitarian.

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

I often hear that the political right stands for individualism. Is this true?

When it comes to workplace safety, do they support the individual workers right to life and limb, or are those acceptable sacrifices for the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to securing justice to victims of medical negligence and quackery, is their concern for the rights of the individual victim, or the good of the collective Volk?

When it comes to product safety, are they concerned with the well-being of the individual consumer, or with the good of the collective Volk

Nay, it seems that the only concern for individualism is for that of high achievement, something along the same lines as:

"Let no one say that the picture produced as a first impression of human civilization is the impression of its achievement as a whole. This whole edifice of civilization is in its foundations and in all its stones nothing else than the result of the creative capacity, the achievement, the intelligence, the industry, of individuals"
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech to Dusseldorf Industry Club (Jan. 27, 1932)

You DID build that ...on top of the bones of the poor and meek.

The bones of the poor and meek? Maybe it's the union based education system that produces idiotic cliches and references to "human civilization" that some people think as profound. America saved the "poor and meek" in two freaking World Wars at the cost of almost a Million American lives. America's industry saved Europe from annihilation and we don't need any lectures from pip-squeak neo-socialist fascists about the concept of "individualism".

perhaps, but that doesn't detract from the point

Slams you for "idiotic cliches" then comes at you with redundant cliches. White Wall needs to re-calibrate.

 

[Agit8r]

That's what people who use the Bad Luck excuse think.

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."

--- Robert A. Heinlein

If people believe that "the greatest good for the greatest number" is a sound philosophy, they are entitled to that opinion, but it is not consistent with individualism.

Spoken like a true Totalitarian.

I'm sorry, but there have been two responses so far that have basically repeated the logic that I targeted, BACK to me ...almost verbatim. That's fine. Own it. I'm simply contrasting between two very different conceptions of what individualism means.

"We must not conclude merely upon a man's haranguing upon liberty, and using the charming sound, that he is fit to be trusted with the liberties of his country. It is not unfrequent to hear men declaim loudly upon liberty, who, if we may judge by the whole tenor of their actions, mean nothing else by it but their own liberty, — to oppress without control or the restraint of laws all who are poorer or weaker than themselves"
-- Samuel Adams; from an untitled essay in the Independent Advertiser (1748)

 

[Agit8r]

Yea, I remember an interview with Rush Limbaugh after he got real famous, spouting off on "rugged individualism." Sure. Lewis and Clark, THAT was rugged individualism. What would anyone today, left or right, really know about rugged individualism?

And least of all Rush Limbaugh...

Given his serial failed marriages, I guess he is a true "individualist."

I was thinking of his relying on his maid to buy him Oxycontin