Interesting article on muslims in america

[Coyote]

Statistically, Fishy is in greater danger walking and being hit by lighting...but by all means, freak out if ya'll want to. Start digging that shelter in the back yard. Keeps you out of trouble and might reduce your risk of heart disease...which is FAR greater than the danger from a moooooooslim terror attack.

I have you on ignore but decided to see what you had to say about this topic. Now I remember why I put you on ignore.

as to being scared, nope not scared, just realistic.
Should the San Bernardino, Ft Hood, and Boston victims of muslim terrorism have been scared? Maybe they would still be alive if they, and the police, had taken the muslim threat more seriously.

Back to ignore for you wytchey. have a nice life.

The estimated number of Muslims in America is between 2-7 million, and you have your knickers in a knot over the actions of 5 of them?

 

[Coyote]

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

I'd take this whole post with a grain of salt. All you have to do is check this list to see that this point is false, #47 for example. Given that, you can't condemn all Muslims because of the misinterpretations of some, both adherents and detractors.

Names of God in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look dude, no one cares if you believe it or not. The post is accurate. Ignore reality at your peril. Just think, YOU could be the next victim of a San Bernardino style muslim attack. I hope you aren't and I hope that there wont be any more of them. But to ignore a real danger is foolish.

Everyone is showing you how it's inaccurate - by all means, keep pretending it is.

 

[Contumacious]

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CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????

This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.


Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!


Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

 

[Contumacious]

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CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????


This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.


Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!


Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

The question should have been : Can native Americans be good Americans.


Harry Truman

Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when in 1949 he allowed the Zionist minority to dispossess 1,500,000 Muslims in Palestine?

Bush I, Clinton, Bush II


Were they acting as Americans and within the US Constitution when the US invaded Iraq in 1990 and allowed to remain there for 18 years? How about the act of slaughtering millions of Iraqi women and children?

Obama

Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when he invaded Syria and destroyed that country forcing 9,000,000 Muslims to become international refugees?

We must first look at the US and determine whether our actions have provoked RETALIATORY attack.


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[SuperDemocrat]

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

I'd take this whole post with a grain of salt. All you have to do is check this list to see that this point is false, #47 for example. Given that, you can't condemn all Muslims because of the misinterpretations of some, both adherents and detractors.

Names of God in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is definitely true with race or gender because those things don't determine our personality but religion does shape our personality. Satanist, atheist, christian, jew, and iSLAM are all shaped by whatever beliefs that religion has. It defines their character so I don't know if that is necessarily true that we can't judge an individual by their religion.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Interestingly...these exact same sort of arguments have been made to "unAmericanize" other groups. A Catholic can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to the Pope. A Jew can't be a good American because he owes his allegience to Israel.

What a moronic OP.

Christians and jews are not taught to destroy non believers. Muslims are. that's the simple difference. like it or not.

Christians did a lot of destroying of unbelievers...much blood and carnage and forced conversions. No difference. Like it o not.

When? the Crusades? Do you know what the crusades were all about?
When and where were these so-called "forced conversions" ?

A thousand years of Catholic brutality against so-called 'heretics', for starters.

most of that was done by the rulers using the church as an excuse.

but you made a very general statement, can you provide some specific events?

Start here:

List of people burned as heretics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NYcarbineer]

Until the "good" muslims in the US start turning the bad muslims, it is foolish to trust any of them.

How many mullahs have turned the radical members of their mosques?

So you don't actually trust any of your legion of muslim 'friends'? Have you confessed that to them?

 

[NYcarbineer]

If there's no way of determining who the real Christians are,

why would one be so foolish as to try to claim they know who the real Muslims are?

 

[Syriusly]

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

I'd take this whole post with a grain of salt. All you have to do is check this list to see that this point is false, #47 for example. Given that, you can't condemn all Muslims because of the misinterpretations of some, both adherents and detractors.

Names of God in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is definitely true with race or gender because those things don't determine our personality but religion does shape our personality. Satanist, atheist, christian, jew, and iSLAM are all shaped by whatever beliefs that religion has. It defines their character so I don't know if that is necessarily true that we can't judge an individual by their religion.

Anyone can use anything to judge any person- you can choose to judge someone by their race, by their national origin or by their religion.

I think it is particularly un-American to do so- but that is just my opinion- and Supermans....

 

[skye]

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????



Only if they firmly renounce the basic concepts of Islam and Sharia Law.

 

[Contumacious]

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?????



Only if they firmly renounce the basic concepts of Islam and Sharia Law.

I take it that Americans do not have to firmly renounce the basic concepts of warfarism, interventionism , imperialism


The question should have been : Can native Americans be good Americans.


Harry Truman

Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when in 1949 he allowed the Zionist minority to dispossess 1,500,000 Muslims in Palestine?

Bush I, Clinton, Bush II


Were they acting as Americans and within the US Constitution when the US invaded Iraq in 1990 and allowed to remain there for 18 years? How about the act of slaughtering millions of Iraqi women and children?

Obama

Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when he invaded Syria and destroyed that country forcing 9,000,000 Muslims to become international refugees?

We must first look at the US and determine whether our actions have provoked RETALIATORY attack.

 

[amrchaos]

I am waiting for

"Can YOU be a Good American?"

Maybe I can write a crazy parody of this and stick it in political Satire?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

You're right. It's just as unvalid now as it was then.

nothing in the OP is untrue, then or now.

Says who? So far you've cited an anonymous and provably altered email that's roughly a decade old. And yourself.

Neither of which I consider credible or reliable.

which statements do you think are untrue? Here's an idea, do you know any muslims? ask them.

The 'moon god' claim seemed a little tenuous. And the premise that someone can't be religious and patriotic in general is logically shaky to begin with.

Start with those.

first, semantics, I'll give you that one

second, if the teachings of islam are followed to the letter, they are in violation of the US constitution because they put religion above all else.

Man, have you made a fool of yourself!

The God of Islam is the same God of the Israelites, which is the same God of Christians, which is the God of Abraham he worshiped! All three religions are monotheistic worshipping the SAME GOD. Calling that semantics is idiotic and a dodge! That ~10 year old chain email you purloined is damned bigoted and contrived garbage and you are a lazy shit stirring IDIOT!

 

[BlindBoo]

Are you an American Muslim?

are you?

No and I don't pretend to speak for them either.

funny, while you attempt to (pretend to) speak for conservatives and republicans in almost every post. its called hypocrisy, dingleberry

Project much.

 

[BlindBoo]

Harry Truman

Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when in 1949 he allowed the Zionist.......

He was acting as a politician seeking votes in 1948 when he formally recognized Israel. He did not allow the state to exist. In reaction to a UN General Assembly vote on the Partition Plan in 1947, the Arab population played into the Zionist hands and turned to violence against the Jewish Immigrants. Giving the Zionist the justification they sought. Before the UNSC had a chance to vote on it. Before the British quit the mandate. Before the State of Israel was declared.

Considering how our forefather took land from the native Americans I'd say yes he did. I see nothing unconstitutional about his recognition of Israel.

 

[Contumacious]

Harry Truman

Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when in 1949 he allowed the Zionist.......

He was acting as a politician seeking votes in 1948 when he formally recognized Israel. He did not allow the state to exist. In reaction to a UN General Assembly vote on the Partition Plan in 1947, the Arab population played into the Zionist hands and turned to violence against the Jewish Immigrants. Giving the Zionist the justification they sought. Before the UNSC had a chance to vote on it. Before the British quit the mandate. Before the State of Israel was declared.

Considering how our forefather took land from the native Americans I'd say yes he did. I see nothing unconstitutional about his recognition of Israel.

Can you be HONEST and admit that you have never heard , nor are you familiar with the US Constitution (1787)?


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[Votto]

Ah...probably because it was an email that someone sent him.

THE EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED: (already posted by the Chickenfish)...and a response...

This is truly disgusting, hateful bullshit!

And to say that we have a Muslim president shows true ignorance and disregard for the facts in order to spread a hateful agenda antithetical to the Christian religion.

Please allow me to refute point by point the statements in the original email.

First, many American Muslims have spoken out, and continue to speak out against atrocities, as have millions of Muslims around the world..

Allah, the 'moon God of Arabia' is the same God that Christians and Jews pray to. To refer to Allah as a 'moon God' is a blasphemy against the God of Christians and Jews. Muslims trace their lineage from Abraham just as Christians and Jews do. They recognize Jesus Christ as a prophet in their religion.

Many Christian denominations also accept no other religion and believe that the only path to salvation is to be saved by giving your life over to Jesus Christ. This is not unique to Muslims.

Being a good American does not require a belief in any particular scripture, or belief in a scripture at all. One of the pillars of our great Constitution that has sheperded this country for more than two hundred years is the absolute freedom of religion.

A Muslim's allegiance to Mecca is no more powerful, nor is it any different than a Roman Catholic's allegiance to Rome, or other Christians' allegiance to sacred places in the Holy Land. Mecca is simply sacred to Muslims because that's where the prophet Mohammed was located.

I have had Muslim friends who had no qualms about being friends with Christians or Jews. That is an absurdly preposterous statement.

While it is true that some radical Muslim mullahs preach hatred, the vast majority do not. That is no different than other religions. Most religions have extremist elements, including the Christian, Jewish, and Hindu religions. That doesn't mean that all Christians, Jews and Hindus are extremists any more than it means that all Muslims are extremists.

Some religions, including Mormons and Muslims, have historically allowed plural marriages. In some traditional Muslim countries this is still allowed. In others, it is not. Times have changed since the Quran was written, just as they've changed since the Bible was written. There are references in the Bible to stoning women who commit adultery. That doesn't mean that all Christians stone women who commit adultery.

The American Constitution is not based on Biblical principles. It guarantees freedom of religion, Christian or otherwise, or no religion at all. One of our great founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, was not known as a religious man at all.

Democracy and Islam coexist in a number of countries. Turkey's population is almost completely Muslim, and it has been a democracy for many decades. Pakistan and Malaysia are two other Muslim countries that are democratic. There have been many Christian nations over the centuries that have not been democratic. That doesn't mean that Christianity and democracy can't coexist.

I find it ironic that the author of the email refers to the Christian God as 'loving and kind' when (s)he is spreading hatred and lies, and therefore if a Christian, (s)he is certainly not following the Christian precepts of a loving and kind God.

It is certainly part of the right-wing agenda in this country to spread suspicion about anybody who is not just like they are. Why? Because fear is an easy thing to spread and an easy hypocritical way of getting votes for right-wing politicians. If that weren't true, people who preach hate such as Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck wouldn't have an audience. It's just unfortunate that so many Americans fall for this hateful drivel. Amercans should be proud that we have a country that welcomes all kinds of people - black, white, brown, yellow, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, atheist, straight, gay - and that we have developed into a pluralistic society like none ever seen before in the world. We should celebrate that we have a great nation and embrace our differences and the many different people we come in contact with. Isn't that what a 'loving and kind' God would want us to do?

 

[BlindBoo]

Harry Truman

Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when in 1949 he allowed the Zionist.......

He was acting as a politician seeking votes in 1948 when he formally recognized Israel. He did not allow the state to exist. In reaction to a UN General Assembly vote on the Partition Plan in 1947, the Arab population played into the Zionist hands and turned to violence against the Jewish Immigrants. Giving the Zionist the justification they sought. Before the UNSC had a chance to vote on it. Before the British quit the mandate. Before the State of Israel was declared.

Considering how our forefather took land from the native Americans I'd say yes he did. I see nothing unconstitutional about his recognition of Israel.

Can you be HONEST and admit that you have never heard , nor are you familiar with the US Constitution (1787)?


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Feel free to expand on why you feel Truman's recognition of Israel in 1948 was unconstitutional.

 

[Contumacious]

Harry Truman

Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when in 1949 he allowed the Zionist.......

He was acting as a politician seeking votes in 1948 when he formally recognized Israel. He did not allow the state to exist. In reaction to a UN General Assembly vote on the Partition Plan in 1947, the Arab population played into the Zionist hands and turned to violence against the Jewish Immigrants. Giving the Zionist the justification they sought. Before the UNSC had a chance to vote on it. Before the British quit the mandate. Before the State of Israel was declared.

Considering how our forefather took land from the native Americans I'd say yes he did. I see nothing unconstitutional about his recognition of Israel.

Can you be HONEST and admit that you have never heard , nor are you familiar with the US Constitution (1787)?


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Feel free to expand on why you feel Truman's recognition of Israel in 1948 was unconstitutional.

1, 500,000 Muslims were deprived of due process of law, please see the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

And don't give me the bullshit that the Constitution does not apply in Palestine. It does apply to government officials who reside in DC. The ONLY entity qualified to rule on the matter was the International Court of Justice.

The zionists presented the same request to FDR who REFUSED because to recognize Israel would have necessitated a PERMANENT MILITARY PRESENCE.

 

[BlindBoo]

Harry Truman

Was he acting as an American and within the US Constitution when in 1949 he allowed the Zionist.......

He was acting as a politician seeking votes in 1948 when he formally recognized Israel. He did not allow the state to exist. In reaction to a UN General Assembly vote on the Partition Plan in 1947, the Arab population played into the Zionist hands and turned to violence against the Jewish Immigrants. Giving the Zionist the justification they sought. Before the UNSC had a chance to vote on it. Before the British quit the mandate. Before the State of Israel was declared.

Considering how our forefather took land from the native Americans I'd say yes he did. I see nothing unconstitutional about his recognition of Israel.

Can you be HONEST and admit that you have never heard , nor are you familiar with the US Constitution (1787)?


.

Feel free to expand on why you feel Truman's recognition of Israel in 1948 was unconstitutional.

1, 500,000 Muslims were deprived of due process of law, please see the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

And don't give me the bullshit that the Constitution does not apply in Palestine. It does apply to government officials who reside in DC. The ONLY entity qualified to rule on the matter was the International Court of Justice.

The zionists presented the same request to FDR who REFUSED because to recognize Israel would have necessitated a PERMANENT MILITARY PRESENCE.

Truman's recognition did not deprive anyone due process. The president makes foreign policy which has been upheld by the Supreme Court many times.

FDR's refusal was not of the same request.

Franklin Roosevelt, Founder of Israel ?