Iranian Agent Arrested in Israel

[toastman]

"We will make you regret everything" ? New evidence of torture in Iran

/this is a recent article about torture by the Iranian government against ITS OWN PEOPLE during the 2009 elections


THIS ONE IS SPECIALLY FOR YOU SHERRI, PLEASE READ IT SINCE YOU LOVE TO DEFEND MUSLIM AGGRESSION IN IRAN

 

[toastman]

U.S. Hikers Tortured in Iran, Former Fellow Inmate Reveals - Karen Leigh - The Atlantic

Two U.S hikers brutally tortured by the Muslim Iranian Government

 

[toastman]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/22/w...-iran-comes-to-light.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Years of Torture in Iran Comes to Light

 

[Sunni Man]

The Mossad is the direct step-child of the Nazi Gestapo.

In the 1930-40's the Juden of germany gained first hand experience of how to torture people directly from the SS and the Gestapo.

After WWII the zionist juden fled to Palestine and set up their own fascist state and named it Israel.

When they realized they needed a clandestine organization like the OSS or the CIA.

They formed the Mossad and recruited juden who had perfected the art of torture learned from their Nazi masters. ..

 

[Alfalfa]

Abuse and torture in interrogations of dozens of Palestinian minors in the Israel Police Etzion Facility
Published:
22 Aug 2013

Since November 2009, B’Tselem has received testimonies from dozens of Palestinian residents of the Bethlehem and Hebron districts, most of them minors, alleging that they were subjected to threats and violence, sometimes amounting to torture, during their interrogation at the police station at Gush Etzion. The station is located within the jurisdiction of the SHAI (Judea and Samaria) District of the Israel Police. The testimonies describe interrogations in which the minors were forced to confess to alleged offenses, mostly stone-throwing. In almost all cases, the interrogators stopped using violence against the interrogatees once they confessed.

The right of every person not to be subjected to ill-treatment or torture (whether physical or mental) is one of the few human rights that are considered absolute. As an absolute right, it may never be "balanced" against other rights and values, nor suspended or limited, even in difficult circumstances such as war or fighting terrorism. This right now holds the highest and most binding status in international law. A confession obtained through violation of this right can certainly not serve as the basis for a conviction.

M.H., resident of Husan, 14 at the time of his arrest

The interrogator made me go into a room. He grabbed my head and started banging it against the wall. Then he punched me, slapped me and kicked my legs. The pain was immense, and I felt like I couldn’t stand any longer. Then he started swearing at me. He said filthy things about me and about my mother. He threatened to rape me, or perform sexual acts on me, if I didn’t confess to throwing stones. His threats really scared me, because he was very cruel and it was just the two of us in the room. I remembered what I’d seen on the news, when British and American soldiers raped and took photos of naked Iraqis (from the testimony of M.H., resident of Husan, 14 at the time of his arrest).

The interrogations

In November 2009, B'Tselem began receiving reports of violence against Palestinian minors during interrogation at the Etzion police station. Until July 2013, B'Tselem field researchers collected 64 testimonies from residents of eight communities in the southern West Bank who reported such incidents. Fifty-six of them were minors at the time of their interrogation. The testimonies described severe physical violence during the interrogation or preliminary questioning, which, in some cases, amounted to torture. The violence included slaps, punches and kicks to all parts of the body, and blows with objects, such as a gun or a stick. Some of the former interrogatees also reported threats: in twelve cases, they claimed that the interrogator had threatened them or female relatives with sexual assault, such as rape and genital injury. In six cases, the interrogatees claimed that the interrogators had threatened to execute them; in eight cases, the interrogators allegedly threatened to harm family members; and in five other cases, they allegedly threatened to electrocute the interrogatees, including in a way that would damage their fertility.

In addition, twelve interrogatees stated that their initial confession had been taken by an interrogator in civilian clothes and that, to the best of their knowledge, at that stage, it had not been recorded. Only after they confessed to stone-throwing, they were transferred to another room, where an interrogator in police uniform asked them to repeat their confession, this time recording them. Later, the interrogators told them to sign a document in Hebrew, a language they do not understand, without knowing what they were signing.

M.A., resident of Husan, 15 at the time of his arrest

The interrogator “Daud” took me outside with a soldier. They blindfolded me. The plastic cable ties were still on my hands. They put me in a car and started driving. I don’t know where they took me. We reached some place outside Etzion and they forced me out of the car. My hands really hurt because of the cable ties. They took off my blindfold. I didn’t know where I was. They tied me to a tree, and then they raised my cuffed hands and tied them to the tree, too. It hurt a lot. “Daud” started punching me. After a few minutes, he took out a gun and said: “I’ll murder you if you don’t confess! Out here, no one will find you. We’ll kill you and leave you here (M.A., resident of Husan, 15 at the time of his arrest).

The authorities' action on the issue:

From 2009 to 2013, B'Tselem sent 31 complaints to the Department for Investigation of Police (DIP) on behalf of Palestinians who reported they had been subjected to violence and threats by interrogators at the Etzion station. In the rest of the cases that B'Tselem documented, the interrogatees or their families chose not to file a complaint with the DIP, for fear that this would result in harm to members of the family who had already been interrogated or to other relatives, or because of a general lack of trust in the Israeli justice system.

Of the 31 interogatees in whose name B'Tselem complained to the DIP, 20 eventually withdrew from their intention to file a formal complaint and give testimony to DIP investigators, for the reasons stated above. The DIP decided not to investigate any complaints in which the complainant had not personally testified before investigators. Based on replies given to B'Tselem, none of the information sent to the DIP regarding those cases was checked, although this could have helped investigate the systemic practice.

The DIP only opened investigations into the eleven cases in which the complainants had personally given testimony. Three of the case files were closed and the investigation of eight, all opened in June 2012 or later, is still under way.

In its correspondence with the DIP, B'Tselem demanded that the issue of violent interrogations at the Etzion station be handled systemically, and not just through the investigation of each individual complaint. B'Tselem representatives also presented this demand to officials in the Israel Police and the Ministry of Justice. The DIP replied that a systemic investigation of the matter was under way.

Although B'Tselem contacted the Israel Police on this matter repeatedly, no official answer was given to the question whether any steps had been taken to address the phenomenon and, if so, what they were. All our communications with the police on the matter were met with denial. For example, in a meeting held on 7 January 2013, between B'Tselem representatives and the commander of the Hebron Police Division, the police officials denied the phenomenon existed. They refused to comment on the complaints themselves, claiming they could not verify the details of the cases since they were under ongoing investigation by the DIP, and there was a concern of obstructing the investigation. At the meeting, B'Tselem was also informed that the interrogation officer at the Etzion station had been replaced, although it was emphasized that this was unrelated to the complaints made by B'Tselem.

The high number of reports B'Tselem has received regarding violent interrogations at the Etzion station, and the fact that they span several years, gives rise to heavy suspicion that this is not a case of a single interrogator who chose to use illegal interrogation methods, but rather an entire apparatus that backs him up and allows such conduct to take place. Yet, to the best of B'Tselem's knowledge, no real effort has been made to date to discontinue the abuse, and no systemic investigation has taken place. The only action that has been taken was the investigation of individual complaints, which, more than a year later, have not concluded. Law enforcement agencies are allowing this reality to continue, despite the fact that all the relevant officials know that the claims relate to violence against minors under interrogation, and that, in some cases, the violence has amounted to torture.

Given the severity and scope of the suspicions raised, the DIP and the Israel Police must examine the issue systemically. If the claims are substantiated, they must take immediate action to stop the illegal conduct and take legal and administrative measures against those responsible, including officials who are aware of this conduct and are allowing it to continue. Also, the existence of efficient oversight mechanisms must be ensured, so as to prevent similar cases in the future.

The DIP must immediately conclude its investigation of the individual complaints, which has been under way for more than a year. If the claims are substantiated, those responsible must be brought to justice.

Finally, if it is discovered that forced confessions have served as central evidence in the trials of the interrogatees or other individuals, mistrials must be declared, and all the necessary steps that follow as a result must be taken.

 

[irosie91]

in the city in which I worked-----arrested persons were brought to the hospital
ER before being incarcerated I have never examined an arrestee who did NOT
claim he was tortured or abused. I do not live in Israel

 

[Alfalfa]

Beating and abuse of Palestinians by the Israeli Security Forces
Published:
1 Jan 2011
Updated:
9 Sep 2012

Violence against Palestinians by Israeli security forces is not new; it has accompanied the occupation for many years. With the outbreak of the al-Aqsa intifada, however, a significant increase in the number of beatings and instances of abuse has occurred, in part because of increased friction between Palestinians and Israeli security forces. According to many testimonies given to B'Tselem and other human rights organizations, the security forces use violence, at times gross violence, against Palestinians unnecessarily and without justification.

Most cases involve a "small dose" of ill-treatment such as a slap, a kick, an insult, a pointless delay at checkpoints, or degrading treatment. These acts have become an integral part of Palestinian life in the Occupied Territories. From time to time, however, cases of severe brutality occur.

Many instances of abuse are not exposed because they have become the norm, and, for Palestinians, filing complaints is very time consuming. Furthermore, many Palestinians, primarily those who entered Israel without a permit, even refrain from filing complaints in cases of severe brutality because they fear that filing the complaint will only bring harm on themselves. Based on past experience, many do not file complaints because of lack of trust in the system - a system which tends not to believe them, and which tends to protect rather than prosecute those who injured them. The numerous restrictions on movement imposed by Israel in the Occupied Territories make it very difficult for Palestinians who want to file complaints to do so.

Israeli law, like international law, allows security forces to use reasonable force in self-defense and for duty-related purposes such as dispersing rioters, arresting suspects resisting arrest, and preventing a detainee from fleeing. The law does not, however, allow beatings, degradation, or ill-treatment of persons who are not rioting, resisting arrest, or fleeing. Also, the requirement that reasonable force be used in those instances where force is allowed demands that the measures taken be limited in severity to that which is necessary to prevent commission of the offense.

The acts described in testimonies given to B'Tselem and to other human rights organizations deviate greatly from what the law allows, and they constitute flagrant violations of human rights. In this context, an Israeli district court held that, "The exercise of illegal force by police officers is a phenomenon characteristic of regimes that are abhorrent, and undemocratic, of the kind that trample on human rights. It is misuse of the [police officer's] function."

Cases of beatings and abuse receive special condemnation. For example, the former Minister of Public Security, Shlomo Ben-Ami, stated: "I relate with great severity to brutality by police officers. I think that that, among the possible sins committed by the police, this is gravest, because the police cannot fight violence by employing violence against citizens." Regarding another incident, in which a soldier beat a settler from Kedumim, the IDF Spokesperson responded that, "The IDF views with great severity the case and violence by IDF soldiers."

These condemnations, however, remain solely declarative. Security forces, meanwhile, misusing their power, continue to abuse and beat Palestinians, among them minors. Both the army and the Border Police have yet to make it unequivocally clear to security forces serving in the Occupied Territories that it is absolutely forbidden to abuse and beat Palestinians, and their educational and information actions in this regard have been more lip service than a frank and honest attempt to uproot the phenomenon once and for all.

From September 2000 until the end of 2011, B’Tselem reported 473 cases to the law-enforcement authorities in which B'Tselem's investigation raised the suspicion that security forces used violence against Palestinians. In each case, B'Tselem wrote to the relevant body and demanded an investigation and prosecution of those responsible:

B'Tselem sent 241 cases, involving soldiers to the Military Advocate General’s Corps. Military Police investigations were opened in 200 of the cases. However, the overwhelming majority of these - 134 cases - were closed without any measures being taken against the soldiers involved. Seven investigations led to filing of indictments, one of which was subsequently withdrawn. In another 18 cases, the MAG corps decided not to open an investigation. B'Tselem was not provided information on the handling of the other cases.

B’Tselem sent 244 cases to the Department for the Investigation of Police (DIP) concerning violence by police and Border Police officers. Information provided to B'Tselem indicates that an investigation was ordered in 146 of the cases, but 113 of them were closed without any measures being taken against those involved. In 12 of the cases, indictments were filed. In 77 cases, DIP decided not to open any investigation. B'Tselem was not provided information on the handling of the remaining cases.

The defense establishment's refusal to issue a message of this kind to forces serving in the Occupied Territories has far-reaching consequences. If a message is sent to security forces, it is that even if the establishment does not accept acts of violence, it will not take measures against those who commit them. The effect of such a message is that the lives and dignity of Palestinians are meaningless and that security forces can continue, pursuant to the function they serve, to abuse, humiliate, and beat Palestinians with whom they come into contact.

Israel is the occupier in the Occupied Territories and as such is responsible for the safety and wellbeing of the Palestinians who live there. To perform this function, B'Tselem urges the Israeli authorities to adopt, at least, the following measures:

Clarify unequivocally to all security forces serving in the Occupied Territories, through detailed education and information programs, the absolute prohibition on abusing and beating Palestinians, even when they ostensibly violate the law;

Seriously investigate every complaint filed by Palestinians regarding beatings and abuse by security forces;

Suspend, until the end of the investigation against them, police officers and soldiers suspected of using force, and where the investigation indicates that the complaint is justified, prosecute the offenders;

Require all security forces coming in contact with the Palestinian civilian population in the Occupied Territories to wear identification tags in Hebrew and Arabic to enable identification of those who used violence or otherwise violated the law.

 

[Alfalfa]

Would you like some more?

 

[Alfalfa]

in the city in which I worked-----arrested persons were brought to the hospital
ER before being incarcerated I have never examined an arrestee who did NOT
claim he was tortured or abused. I do not live in Israel

Yes, everyone is lying except the chosen people.

 

[toastman]

in the city in which I worked-----arrested persons were brought to the hospital
ER before being incarcerated I have never examined an arrestee who did NOT
claim he was tortured or abused. I do not live in Israel

Yes, everyone is lying except the chosen people.

Ok but you said that, no one else did .

 

[toastman]

Looks like no one has anything to say about Muslim government torturing their own people as well as others. I posted several examples on page 4 and on this page.

 

[Alfalfa]

Looks like no one has anything to say about Muslim government torturing their own people as well as others. I posted several examples on page 4 and on this page.

That wasn't the original discussion. It sounds like you're saying if muslims do it then it makes it legal and honorable for israel to do so as well.

Is that what you're going for? "Everyone does it!"?

 

[Peterf]

Where does Jesus say that?

What Jesus is supposed to have said does not seem to be a problem for those American Christians who support the existence of Israel. Why not go to some Christian mb and tell them how wrong they are?

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

What Jesus is supposed to have said does not seem to be a problem for those American Christians who support the existence of Israel. Why not go to some Christian mb and tell them how wrong they are?

I learn about Jesus from what is written in The Gospels, I read the words of Jesus.

I have never met a Christian who called themselves a Zionist.

Jesus certainly never called Himself a Zionist, and certainly does not call me to be a Zionist.

I am a Christian, meaning I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, not the teachings of people who call themselves Christian Zionists. (Zionism, a creation of the 18th Century)

If I did the latter, I would be embracing Idolatry.

 

[toastman]

I learn about Jesus from what is written in The Gospels, I read the words of Jesus.

I have never met a Christian who called themselves a Zionist.

Jesus certainly never called Himself a Zionist, and certainly does not call me to be a Zionist.

It doesn't matter if you haven't met any Christian Zionists, there are plenty of them all over the world, and I consider them to be more Christian than a hate filled , Nazi spewing 'person' like you who thanks God when IDF soldiers get killed in accidental crashes.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Political prisoners human rights abuses is a real problem in many nations.

Human rights abuses in prisons is a problem in many places, especially presently in prisons in California, which are overcrowded in violation of court orders, and where there is inadequate medical care for prisoners and unlawful solitary confinement where literally some prisoners are isolated in a cell for a decade or longer just because some label has been at some point in time placed on them.

Every nation has their share of human rights abuses and issues that the people in the nations must struggle with.

What makes Palestine different is we are not dealing with simply internal human rights issues, we are dealing with an unlawful Occupation of millions of Palestinians and Apartheid conditions, that violates intl law, as well, inside both Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

 

[toastman]

Show me a map of Palestine

 

[Hoffstra]

Show me a map of Palestine

you have never seen a map of Palestine?

 

[Hoffstra]

Israel admits to torturing detainees.

 

[Alfalfa]

Israel admits to torturing detainees.

Everybody does it...