Is health care a right? Is free speech a right? What is a right?

[Smilodonfatalis]

A lot of people like to argue against the ACA by claiming that health care is not a right.

Declaring whether something is a right or not is bull.

People are only entitled to rights that those in power allow them to have.

Congress and the president could pass a law outlawing free speech after impeaching all of the Supreme Court and replacing them with rubber stamp puppet heads who would rule that outlawing free speech rights was constitutional.

Then, the people would not have the right to free speech.

A right is a legal invention that doesn't really mean anything because all laws are excuses that people in power use to control people who are not in power.

So, if it is true that health care is not a right, than it's legally justifiable to watch people who can't afford it drop dead when they could be cured...but that doesn't make it right whether it's a "right" or not.

In other words people who say health care is not a right, just need to sit down and shut up.

 

[ClosedCaption]

 

[Katzndogz]

There is a right to health care the same way there is a right to a pastrami sandwich. What you don't have is the right to make someone else buy your health care.

 

[Nyvin]

Not exactly spelled out in black and white but...

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

A right is something you have regardless of the actions of others. Freedom of speech for instance. I can say whatever I want with no help from anyone else.

Health car, however, is a service. Without doctors electing to work in the field of health care, no one would receive it. It's dependent on someone else providing it to you.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

A lot of people like to argue against the ACA by claiming that health care is not a right.

Declaring whether something is a right or not is bull.

People are only entitled to rights that those in power allow them to have.

Congress and the president could pass a law outlawing free speech after impeaching all of the Supreme Court and replacing them with rubber stamp puppet heads who would rule that outlawing free speech rights was constitutional.

Then, the people would not have the right to free speech.

A right is a legal invention that doesn't really mean anything because all laws are excuses that people in power use to control people who are not in power.

So, if it is true that health care is not a right, than it's legally justifiable to watch people who can't afford it drop dead when they could be cured...but that doesn't make it right whether it's a "right" or not.

In other words people who say health care is not a right, just need to sit down and shut up.

in our free country you have the 'right' to buy healthcare.....but it is not an 'entitlement'....

rights do not mean someone must 'give' it to you....

 

[BobPlumb]

Instead of rights we should be talking about responsibilities. Want health care.......go out an earn it. If you can't earn it, then you should be dependent on the charity of others.

 

[Mr Natural]

Back in the day, there was no need healthcare insurance. You got sick, you went to the barber for a bloodletting or some leeches.

Neither procedure would break the bank.

 

[BobPlumb]

If heath care is a right, then most all other goods and services should be rights also. I should have the right to drink all the beer I want out of your fridge.

 

[BobPlumb]

Back in the day, there was no need healthcare insurance. You got sick, you went to the barber for a bloodletting or some leeches.

Neither procedure would break the bank.

After a few years of obama care we will be lucky to have access to a few old fashion leeches.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A lot of people like to argue against the ACA by claiming that health care is not a right.

Declaring whether something is a right or not is bull.

People are only entitled to rights that those in power allow them to have.

Congress and the president could pass a law outlawing free speech after impeaching all of the Supreme Court and replacing them with rubber stamp puppet heads who would rule that outlawing free speech rights was constitutional.

Then, the people would not have the right to free speech.

A right is a legal invention that doesn't really mean anything because all laws are excuses that people in power use to control people who are not in power.

So, if it is true that health care is not a right, than it's legally justifiable to watch people who can't afford it drop dead when they could be cured...but that doesn't make it right whether it's a "right" or not.

In other words people who say health care is not a right, just need to sit down and shut up.

Actually they’re a legal discovery, as rights are inalienable, and predate all governments, constitutions, and legal systems.

Access to healthcare is indeed not a right, but it doesn’t need to be.

The people are at liberty to seek measures through their elected representatives in Congress that promote the realization of a given desired goal, such as providing Americans access to affordable healthcare. Government can therefore be instructed to pursue such a goal although it is not compelled to do so as a consequence of that desired goal being a right.

The ACA, for example, was enacted into law by Congress at the behest of the American people. The Taxing and Spending Clause afforded Congress the authority to create the Act. See: NFIB v. Sebelius (2012).

The ACA is Constitutional not because it comports with a given right, but because Congress acted within its bounds afforded it by the Constitution.

 

[Wacky Quacky]

A lot of people like to argue against the ACA by claiming that health care is not a right.

Declaring whether something is a right or not is bull.

People are only entitled to rights that those in power allow them to have.

Congress and the president could pass a law outlawing free speech after impeaching all of the Supreme Court and replacing them with rubber stamp puppet heads who would rule that outlawing free speech rights was constitutional.

Then, the people would not have the right to free speech.

A right is a legal invention that doesn't really mean anything because all laws are excuses that people in power use to control people who are not in power.

So, if it is true that health care is not a right, than it's legally justifiable to watch people who can't afford it drop dead when they could be cured...but that doesn't make it right whether it's a "right" or not.

In other words people who say health care is not a right, just need to sit down and shut up.

Actually they’re a legal discovery, as rights are inalienable, and predate all governments, constitutions, and legal systems.

Access to healthcare is indeed not a right, but it doesn’t need to be.

The people are at liberty to seek measures through their elected representatives in Congress that promote the realization of a given desired goal, such as providing Americans access to affordable healthcare. Government can therefore be instructed to pursue such a goal although it is not compelled to do so as a consequence of that desired goal being a right.

The ACA, for example, was enacted into law by Congress at the behest of the American people. The Taxing and Spending Clause afforded Congress the authority to create the Act. See: NFIB v. Sebelius (2012).

The ACA is Constitutional not because it comports with a given right, but because Congress acted within its bounds afforded it by the Constitution.

Too bad the Affordable Care Act doesn't do that.

 

[eagle1462010]

Declaration of Independence - Text Transcript

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world

 

[ClosedCaption]

Instead of rights we should be talking about responsibilities. Want health care.......go out an earn it. If you can't earn it, then you should be dependent on the charity of others.

Ah confusing earning with paying for.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Why did Heritage, the bastion of the right, say Healthcare is a right back in the Clinton days?

Why did that change at the exact same moment that Obama adopted their plan?

 

[eagle1462010]

5 Million people have lost their right to their existing coverage and counting.

Millions are being charged more for insurance as a result of Obamacare.

Millions are being reduced to part time employees as a result of Obamacare.

Where is that concern about Rights as Millions of Americans are punished by the new law............

This is just another angle on how to defend a Idiotic law that is causing damage all across America. The people don't like the law, and it's not about the will of the people. It needs to be shredded.

And BTW, forcing to buy insurance from Insurance Companies isn't necessarily Health Care.

 

[The T]

5 Million people have lost their right to their existing coverage and counting.

Millions are being charged more for insurance as a result of Obamacare.

Millions are being reduced to part time employees as a result of Obamacare.

Where is that concern about Rights as Millions of Americans are punished by the new law............

This is just another angle on how to defend a Idiotic law that is causing damage all across America. The people don't like the law, and it's not about the will of the people. It needs to be shredded.

And BTW, forcing to buy insurance from Insurance Companies isn't necessarily Health Care.

It's Statist TYRANNY.

 

[The T]

Natural rights do NOT come from government...for if governments of men confers "rights" Governments of men can and will take them away, as quickly as they issue them. Reward and punishment...for the sake of CONTROL. Rights come from God. All that needs to be stated.

 

[The T]

Oh? And FAR TOO MANY confuse RIGHTS...with RESPONSIBILITY.

Only the astute understand the difference. The Founders did.

 

[francoHFW]

Beside being ridiculously expensive and cruel, our present ''system'' is incredibly STUPID. This is mindless obstruction...Hater dupes...