Is health care a right?

[NYcarbineer]

We don't forcibly take away money. We vote. Yes there are those in this country who think all taxes should be voluntary.

They're our nuts on the fringe.

Wow, me and my friend voted and we agreed, we should rape that woman.

It's not forcible, we voted!!

Do I smell a regressive?

You and your friend are not a government.

You tell us how our government would function if all taxes were voluntary.

Okay, replace us with the government.

The rape becomes love making then?

Damn these regressives. Absolutely no morals. The whole point is that the government aka. rape would NOT function without the taxes. That's good ain't it? Secondly, I just claimed that this is a forcible taking (which it is), and your point doesn't refute that regardless.

Since we have laws against rape, your example makes no sense. In your world, rape, and getting away with it, would be facilitated because in a voluntary tax system there wouldn't be enough revenue to maintain a criminal justice system, including law enforcement.

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

A country cannot function with no taxes.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You and your friend are not a government.

You tell us how our government would function if all taxes were voluntary.

Okay, replace us with the government.

The rape becomes love making then?

Damn these regressives. Absolutely no morals. The whole point is that the government aka. rape would NOT function without the taxes. That's good ain't it? Secondly, I just claimed that this is a forcible taking (which it is), and your point doesn't refute that regardless.

Since we have laws against rape, your example makes no sense. In your world, rape, and getting away with it, would be facilitated because in a voluntary tax system there wouldn't be enough revenue to maintain a criminal justice system, including law enforcement.

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Wow, me and my friend voted and we agreed, we should rape that woman.

It's not forcible, we voted!!

Do I smell a regressive?

You and your friend are not a government.

You tell us how our government would function if all taxes were voluntary.

Okay, replace us with the government.

The rape becomes love making then?

Damn these regressives. Absolutely no morals. The whole point is that the government aka. rape would NOT function without the taxes. That's good ain't it? Secondly, I just claimed that this is a forcible taking (which it is), and your point doesn't refute that regardless.

Since we have laws against rape, your example makes no sense. In your world, rape, and getting away with it, would be facilitated because in a voluntary tax system there wouldn't be enough revenue to maintain a criminal justice system, including law enforcement.

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

A country cannot function with no taxes.

A country is not responsible for paying for health care and the lives of its citizens. The citizens should only be responsible for paying for the things that are used by all.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Okay, replace us with the government.

The rape becomes love making then?

Damn these regressives. Absolutely no morals. The whole point is that the government aka. rape would NOT function without the taxes. That's good ain't it? Secondly, I just claimed that this is a forcible taking (which it is), and your point doesn't refute that regardless.

Since we have laws against rape, your example makes no sense. In your world, rape, and getting away with it, would be facilitated because in a voluntary tax system there wouldn't be enough revenue to maintain a criminal justice system, including law enforcement.

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

Chip in? so, those that pay no tax now should be chipping in? How about we start making everyone chip in and then see how much more needs to be stolen from those that work.

 

[Norman]

Okay, replace us with the government.

The rape becomes love making then?

Damn these regressives. Absolutely no morals. The whole point is that the government aka. rape would NOT function without the taxes. That's good ain't it? Secondly, I just claimed that this is a forcible taking (which it is), and your point doesn't refute that regardless.

Since we have laws against rape, your example makes no sense. In your world, rape, and getting away with it, would be facilitated because in a voluntary tax system there wouldn't be enough revenue to maintain a criminal justice system, including law enforcement.

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes. Instead they just leech off without any shame.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Since we have laws against rape, your example makes no sense. In your world, rape, and getting away with it, would be facilitated because in a voluntary tax system there wouldn't be enough revenue to maintain a criminal justice system, including law enforcement.

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes.

You're an idiot. I hate to break it to you but your perverted notions of how a country should operate will never come to pass. Enjoy your misery until you're dead.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Since we have laws against rape, your example makes no sense. In your world, rape, and getting away with it, would be facilitated because in a voluntary tax system there wouldn't be enough revenue to maintain a criminal justice system, including law enforcement.

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes.

The way I see it is that chipping in for common use expenses like the military, police, roads etc... should be mandatory.
Things like the liberal programs like their desire to pay for others health care and living expenses should be optional.
Its not fair for the liberals to keep coming up with more free shit and forcing the working population pay for it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Since we have laws against rape, your example makes no sense. In your world, rape, and getting away with it, would be facilitated because in a voluntary tax system there wouldn't be enough revenue to maintain a criminal justice system, including law enforcement.

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

Chip in? so, those that pay no tax now should be chipping in? How about we start making everyone chip in and then see how much more needs to be stolen from those that work.

People that pay no tax now are not paying tax because of Republican tax policy. Go bitch at them.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes.

You're an idiot. I hate to break it to you but your perverted notions of how a country should operate will never come to pass. Enjoy your misery until you're dead.

Wait, you just said chip in, you indicated that everyone should be paying. Why is he and idiot for agreeing with you.
or, are you saying that by extension, you too are an idiot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes.

The way I see it is that chipping in for common use expenses like the military, police, roads etc... should be mandatory.
Things like the liberal programs like their desire to pay for others health care and living expenses should be optional.
Its not fair for the liberals to keep coming up with more free shit and forcing the working population pay for it.

so you want some sort of conservative oligarchy that ignores the will of the People.

Good luck.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

Chip in? so, those that pay no tax now should be chipping in? How about we start making everyone chip in and then see how much more needs to be stolen from those that work.

People that pay no tax now are not paying tax because of Republican tax policy. Go bitch at them.

Then that needs to change, obviously you would agree that there should be no low level of income that prevents someone from paying. And that the EITC should be taken away at the same time. How can someone be considered as chipping in if they actually get back more than they paid.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes.

You're an idiot. I hate to break it to you but your perverted notions of how a country should operate will never come to pass. Enjoy your misery until you're dead.

Wait, you just said chip in, you indicated that everyone should be paying. Why is he and idiot for agreeing with you.
or, are you saying that by extension, you too are an idiot.

Why would a family getting food stamps and Medicaid, for example, because of their low income,

pay taxes? It doesn't make any sense.

If you think they should 'chip in' then take their Medicaid away from them. Let them go without affordable healthcare.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes.

The way I see it is that chipping in for common use expenses like the military, police, roads etc... should be mandatory.
Things like the liberal programs like their desire to pay for others health care and living expenses should be optional.
Its not fair for the liberals to keep coming up with more free shit and forcing the working population pay for it.

so you want some sort of conservative oligarchy that ignores the will of the People.

Good luck.

Don't you?
Are you going to be happy when Donald Trump wins and build his wall? that will be the will of the people. Glad to hear you are behind him.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

Chip in? so, those that pay no tax now should be chipping in? How about we start making everyone chip in and then see how much more needs to be stolen from those that work.

People that pay no tax now are not paying tax because of Republican tax policy. Go bitch at them.

Then that needs to change, obviously you would agree that there should be no low level of income that prevents someone from paying. And that the EITC should be taken away at the same time. How can someone be considered as chipping in if they actually get back more than they paid.

I said that taxes make the greedy chip in, as opposed to some cockeyed notion that charity can pay for everything .

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes.

You're an idiot. I hate to break it to you but your perverted notions of how a country should operate will never come to pass. Enjoy your misery until you're dead.

Wait, you just said chip in, you indicated that everyone should be paying. Why is he and idiot for agreeing with you.
or, are you saying that by extension, you too are an idiot.

Why would a family getting food stamps and Medicaid, for example, because of their low income,

pay taxes? It doesn't make any sense.

If you think they should 'chip in' then take their Medicaid away from them. Let them go without affordable healthcare.

Why is that family betting food stamps and Medicaid in the first place? why would someone that cant afford to feed their own self have kids. What is fair about other paying for their bad life choices.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes.

The way I see it is that chipping in for common use expenses like the military, police, roads etc... should be mandatory.
Things like the liberal programs like their desire to pay for others health care and living expenses should be optional.
Its not fair for the liberals to keep coming up with more free shit and forcing the working population pay for it.

so you want some sort of conservative oligarchy that ignores the will of the People.

Good luck.

Don't you?
Are you going to be happy when Donald Trump wins and build his wall? that will be the will of the people. Glad to hear you are behind him.

I can get protectionism and isolationism from Bernie.

 

[Norman]

Bernie disagrees with you, he said people wouldn't mind paying more tax than they already do.
If Bernie isn't lying, then doesn't that mean that there should be even more revenue for the government's use?

I thought conservative were donating billions for charity healthcare...

Used to donate all kinds of stuff until it became mandatory to do it through the theft of their income by way of taxes.

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes.

The way I see it is that chipping in for common use expenses like the military, police, roads etc... should be mandatory.
Things like the liberal programs like their desire to pay for others health care and living expenses should be optional.
Its not fair for the liberals to keep coming up with more free shit and forcing the working population pay for it.

These people have no morals, they just want free shit and the feelings of moral superiority. The morals and fairness are just an excuse. It's slap in the face to believe these people actually are even a little bit concerned with fairness or anything the like. Just use that card and put some racism on it whenever convenient to push people around.

See... It's the will of the people if their candidates win, but if Donald Trump wins it's exploitation and whatever lame terms the Marxist come up with. Enough with this joke of a logic.

 

[Centinel]

Well? If so why?

I think healthcare is a right. I think high functioning societies need to provide healthcare for everyone in some way or another. I think healthcare is a as fundamental as clean water and police services, however in the modern age we have been duped into turning it into a luxury. We provide healthcare to prisoners and to POWs exactly because it is a vital service. The reason healthcare has become so expensive is because we have made incentive for it to get expensive, there is no reason for private sellers to facilitate lower prices because people will pay through the teeth to be healthy and to survive. I would argue that every man alive would give away every cent to stay alive, we have allowed greed to take advantage of all of us. There was a time where a person could be sick and be cared for based upon higher reasons than money, but Americans are trained to perceive healthcare as a luxury. We however have not been trained to see the military in the same light, even though it is more likely you die from illness than a foreigner.

I think America have plenty of private industry to ensure a very strong capitalist basis, changing one critical industry into a non for profit, public system would not destroy the vast market that exists outside of the healthcare niche. I also think there still should be private options, furthermore I think the new system should be opt out and paid for through income tax.

If you consider healthcare a right, would you say that I have a right to come to your house as you're about to leave for work and demand that you, say, stitch up a wound I have, or demand money from you to pay for someone else to do it in your place?

The right to healthcare means to me that all Americans will have access to basic healthcare regardless of their personal ability to pay,

much like public education is provided to children regardless of the ability of their families to pay.

Rights don't require that people do something for you or provide something for you to. Rights require that people don't do something TO you or take something FROM you.

No one is obliged to provide me with healthcare. Thus it's not a right.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So? Taxes make the greedy chip in. That's fair.

If it's fair for greedy to chip in, socialist liberal regressives should pay a lot more taxes.

You're an idiot. I hate to break it to you but your perverted notions of how a country should operate will never come to pass. Enjoy your misery until you're dead.

Wait, you just said chip in, you indicated that everyone should be paying. Why is he and idiot for agreeing with you.
or, are you saying that by extension, you too are an idiot.

Why would a family getting food stamps and Medicaid, for example, because of their low income,

pay taxes? It doesn't make any sense.

If you think they should 'chip in' then take their Medicaid away from them. Let them go without affordable healthcare.

Why is that family betting food stamps and Medicaid in the first place? why would someone that cant afford to feed their own self have kids. What is fair about other paying for their bad life choices.

Ok, so you want take food stamps and Medicaid away from the working poor. How about taking free education away from them? They certainly aren't paying their 'fair share' in school taxes.

Why aren't conservative candidates running on your agenda? Or are they?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well? If so why?

I think healthcare is a right. I think high functioning societies need to provide healthcare for everyone in some way or another. I think healthcare is a as fundamental as clean water and police services, however in the modern age we have been duped into turning it into a luxury. We provide healthcare to prisoners and to POWs exactly because it is a vital service. The reason healthcare has become so expensive is because we have made incentive for it to get expensive, there is no reason for private sellers to facilitate lower prices because people will pay through the teeth to be healthy and to survive. I would argue that every man alive would give away every cent to stay alive, we have allowed greed to take advantage of all of us. There was a time where a person could be sick and be cared for based upon higher reasons than money, but Americans are trained to perceive healthcare as a luxury. We however have not been trained to see the military in the same light, even though it is more likely you die from illness than a foreigner.

I think America have plenty of private industry to ensure a very strong capitalist basis, changing one critical industry into a non for profit, public system would not destroy the vast market that exists outside of the healthcare niche. I also think there still should be private options, furthermore I think the new system should be opt out and paid for through income tax.

If you consider healthcare a right, would you say that I have a right to come to your house as you're about to leave for work and demand that you, say, stitch up a wound I have, or demand money from you to pay for someone else to do it in your place?

The right to healthcare means to me that all Americans will have access to basic healthcare regardless of their personal ability to pay,

much like public education is provided to children regardless of the ability of their families to pay.

Rights don't require that people do something for you or provide something for you to. Rights require that people don't do something TO you or take something FROM you.

No one is obliged to provide me with healthcare. Thus it's not a right.

No one is obliged to provide you a gun.

Notice how conservatives are always trying to RESTRICT rights?