Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[JGalt]

Here: I'll feed your paranoia...

H.A.A.R.P weather control

These idiots will use any excuse, no matter how silly, in order to defend their mistaken world view.

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

It just goes to show that Venezuela didn't collapse due to socialism. They collapsed because they put all their eggs in one basket and the U.S. destroyed the value of the one thing they depended upon.

If you're so thoroughly convinced that while Obama was President, he wrecked the Venezuelan economy, why do you hold such a belief that the Russians wrecked your election?

 

[francoHFW]

And they are all much happier than we are..
And many more too....

Is this like some opinion you have based on your hatred for America, or have you actually lived in any of those countries?

Google happiest countries, moron, and try watching and and reading real news someday, super duper...

Then move there Franky. We want you to be happy

-Geaux

What a GOP fool you are... You can't move anywhere unless you're a millionaire, doctor, or married to a foreigner, or have a job waiting for you... Now why does our country suck so bad? Answer: scumbag GOP and stupid doops like you.
.

You're a funny person. But I'd have to disagree with you there: It's not "our country" anymore.

We President now, you'uns done lost.

Spoken like a pure hater Dupe, great job. He's my president too and I wish he would use use Google 2... On domestic policy. We will see what happens with foreign policy... There may be method 2 his madness...

 

[easyt65]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Of course the 'current system' is not working. As Harry Reid admitted, Obamacare was DESIGNED TO FAIL.

IT WAS MEANT TO BE NOTHING MORE THAN A STEPPING STONE TO SINGLE PAYER.

 

[francoHFW]

These idiots will use any excuse, no matter how silly, in order to defend their mistaken world view.

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

It just goes to show that Venezuela didn't collapse due to socialism. They collapsed because they put all their eggs in one basket and the U.S. destroyed the value of the one thing they depended upon.

If you're so thoroughly convinced that while Obama was President, he wrecked the Venezuelan economy, why do you hold such a belief that the Russians wrecked your election?

Obama did not ruin anyone's economy, that was the corrupt GOP World depression of 2008, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[g5000]

20+ trillion in debt. 150+ trillion unfunded liabilities.

I think it's time to stop demanding free shit.

Add $32.6 trillion to that if we want universal healthcare. Bernie Sanders and a bunch of Democrats want to push through a "Medicare for all" plan.

Except they forgot to do a cost-analysis and don't have a clue where the money would come from...

Bernie Sanders' 'Medicare for all' bill estimated to cost $32.6T, new study says

That $32.6 trillion is for ten years.

Guess what? We already pay $3.3 trillion a year for health care in America.

 

[g5000]

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...onalHealthExpendData/downloads/highlights.pdf

U.S. health care spending increased 4.3 percent to reach $3.3 trillion, or $10,348 per person in 2016.

 

[WillowTree]

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

It just goes to show that Venezuela didn't collapse due to socialism. They collapsed because they put all their eggs in one basket and the U.S. destroyed the value of the one thing they depended upon.

If you're so thoroughly convinced that while Obama was President, he wrecked the Venezuelan economy, why do you hold such a belief that the Russians wrecked your election?

Obama did not ruin anyone's economy, that was the corrupt GOP World depression of 2008, brainwashed functional moron.

Moron!

 

[francoHFW]

That's only one country and the U.S. played a large part in why they collapsed. Almost their entire government is financed off of oil... which is a horrible thing to do. You have to be more diversified. Because their whole economy relies so much on oil, when a large country like the U.S. ramps up oil production and drives the price of oil down, it absolutely devastates a country like Venezuela to the point they can't recover. I'm sure it was done on purpose after what the ex-president of Venezuela said about the U.S. He was one of the leaders that repeated that the U.S. has a HAARP weather making machine that can destroy countries and that they tested it in Haiti making the earthquake there.

Was Hugo Chavez Right About HAARP & The HAITI Earthquake? Is Weather Even Natural Anymore?

Here: I'll feed your paranoia...

H.A.A.R.P weather control

These idiots will use any excuse, no matter how silly, in order to defend their mistaken world view.

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

 

[Norman]

Here: I'll feed your paranoia...

H.A.A.R.P weather control

These idiots will use any excuse, no matter how silly, in order to defend their mistaken world view.

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Socialism is suicide.

And the Europeans who are experimenting with it are just about to end the experiment as they were crazy enough to import their own invaders.

We are not going to pay for your health care Mr. Loser. Now get a job and pay for yourself like everyone else.

 

[francoHFW]

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

It just goes to show that Venezuela didn't collapse due to socialism. They collapsed because they put all their eggs in one basket and the U.S. destroyed the value of the one thing they depended upon.

If you're so thoroughly convinced that while Obama was President, he wrecked the Venezuelan economy, why do you hold such a belief that the Russians wrecked your election?

Obama did not ruin anyone's economy, that was the corrupt GOP World depression of 2008, brainwashed functional moron.

Moron!

When you are about to have ANOTHER GOP bubble bust World depression, everyone says things are fine, dumbass.

 

[g5000]

I think it's time to stop demanding free shit.

Since you offer NOTHING in the way of a solution as an alternative to the Democratic plan, then you should not be surprised the momentum is headed for single payer.

 

[WillowTree]

Here: I'll feed your paranoia...

H.A.A.R.P weather control

These idiots will use any excuse, no matter how silly, in order to defend their mistaken world view.

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Gawd you are stupid. If you are dying to live under socialism move to Venezuela!

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Of course the 'current system' is not working. As Harry Reid admitted, Obamacare was DESIGNED TO FAIL.

IT WAS MEANT TO BE NOTHING MORE THAN A STEPPING STONE TO SINGLE PAYER.

Even with all the GOP and crony insurer sabotage, it is still working. It is not a conspiracy, conspiracy nut job dupe.

 

[Norman]

I think it's time to stop demanding free shit.

Since you offer NOTHING as an alternative to the Democratic plan, then you should not be surprised the momentum is headed for single payer.

Yes I did offer an alternative, say no to free shit. Pay for yourself. That's the American way. Your way of entitlements is the anti-American way.

Is the momentum heading towards single payer? Trump just got elected for promising to repeal Obamacare. I think your head is trapped in a bag.

 

[Doc1]

I think it's time to stop demanding free shit.

Since you offer NOTHING as an alternative to the Democratic plan, then you should not be surprised the momentum is headed for single payer.

Sure thing "Mr. Conservative". You're a fraud son.

 

[g5000]

I think it's time to stop demanding free shit.

Since you offer NOTHING as an alternative to the Democratic plan, then you should not be surprised the momentum is headed for single payer.

Yes I did offer an alternative, say no to free shit. Pay for yourself. That's the American way. Your way of entitlements is the anti-American way.

Is the momentum heading towards single payer? Trump just got elected for promising to repeal Obamacare. I think your head is trapped in a bag.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

Trump failed to repeal Obamacare, much less replace it. You were hoaxed, rube.

By the way, Trump wants single payer. You should have been paying attention.

As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland." - Donald J. Trump, 2015.


Donald Trump in his book The America We Deserve:

We must have universal healthcare...I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...

Doctors might be paid less than they are now, as is the case in Canada, but they would be able to treat more patients because of the reduction in their paperwork..

The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans. There are fewer medical lawsuits, less loss of labor to sickness, and lower costs to companies paying for the medical care of their employees. If the program were in place in Massachusetts in 1999 it would have reduced administrative costs by $2.5 million. We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing.




Donald Trump on Larry King the first time he ran for President:

I'm quite liberal, and getting much more liberal, on health care and other things. What's the purpose of a country if you're not gonna have defense and health care? If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. So I'm very liberal when it comes to health care. I believe in universal healthcare.

 

[g5000]

Health care costs have been rising faster than inflation and GDP for decades. So far, the best the retards can come up with in the way of comprehensive reform is, "derpderpderp...no more free shit."

I'm not joking when I say pseudocons have been dumbed down to the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

That's why the Democrats have been getting their way.

 

[whitehall]

Do you think a "health tax" filtered through the government is more efficient than money paid directly to insurance companies for health insurance? I remind you that there is no competition in taxes and the government can arrest you for failure to pay taxes and increase those taxes at the stroke of a pen but insurance companies will compete for the best coverage at the most reasonable price if given the chance.

 

[Norman]

Health care costs have been rising faster than inflation and GDP for decades. So far, the best the retards can come up with in the way of comprehensive reform is, "derpderpderp...no more free shit."

I'm not joking when I say pseudocons have been dumbed down to the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

That's why the Democrats have been getting their way.

Seems like you failed to READ my next post after that one.

My alternative is health care at fair prices. It definitely is not health care where Americans are forced to pay for illegals and idiots like yourself.

Why on earth would anyone want to fund health care for people who want this nation gone? That is so profoundly silly, it's hard to comprehend indeed.

 

[francoHFW]

These idiots will use any excuse, no matter how silly, in order to defend their mistaken world view.

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Gawd you are stupid. If you are dying to live under socialism move to Venezuela!

You cannot move anywhere, they don't want stupid Americans... Can GOP dupes think at all? LOL!