Is it time for Universal Healthcare....and can it be done?

[francoHFW]

These idiots will use any excuse, no matter how silly, in order to defend their mistaken world view.

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Gawd you are stupid. If you are dying to live under socialism move to Venezuela!

I would prefer France thank you very much. They still don't allow American Immigration...

 

[easyt65]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Of course the 'current system' is not working. As Harry Reid admitted, Obamacare was DESIGNED TO FAIL.

IT WAS MEANT TO BE NOTHING MORE THAN A STEPPING STONE TO SINGLE PAYER.

Even with all the GOP and crony insurer sabotage, it is still working. It is not a conspiracy, conspiracy nut job dupe.

Tell that to Harry Reid, idiot.

"Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) was asked whether his goal was to move Obamacare to a single-payer system. His answer? “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

Harry Reid and Tom Coburn Agree: Obamacare Was Designed to Fail, Pave Way for Single-Payer

Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

 

[francoHFW]

Health care costs have been rising faster than inflation and GDP for decades. So far, the best the retards can come up with in the way of comprehensive reform is, "derpderpderp...no more free shit."

I'm not joking when I say pseudocons have been dumbed down to the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

That's why the Democrats have been getting their way.

Seems like you failed to READ my next post after that one.

My alternative is health care at fair prices. It definitely is not health care where Americans are forced to pay for illegals and idiots like yourself.

Why on earth would anyone want to fund health care for people who want this nation gone? That is so profoundly silly, it's hard to comprehend indeed.

Brilliant! Thank God that's solved! LOL!

 

[Norman]

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Gawd you are stupid. If you are dying to live under socialism move to Venezuela!

You cannot move anywhere, they don't want stupid Americans... Can GOP dupes think at all? LOL!

"Stupid Americans"...

If anyone believes this guy isn't a treasonous traitor at this point I would question his mental activities. This guy is complaining that Americans are stupid, even despite the very high IQs, while wanting to import 3rd world 80 IQ trash. While worshiping 3rd world 80 IQ shithole nations.

But we are the stupid ones...

No it's only this retarded idiot that is dumb.

 

[Two Thumbs]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

No, it wouldn't be.

 

[WillowTree]

Democrats have a small percentage of conspiracy nut jobs. The brainwashed GOP/Fox Etc party has a majority LOL.

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Gawd you are stupid. If you are dying to live under socialism move to Venezuela!

I would prefer France thank you very much. They still don't allow American Immigration...

Sneak across their border.

 

[francoHFW]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Of course the 'current system' is not working. As Harry Reid admitted, Obamacare was DESIGNED TO FAIL.

IT WAS MEANT TO BE NOTHING MORE THAN A STEPPING STONE TO SINGLE PAYER.

Even with all the GOP and crony insurer sabotage, it is still working. It is not a conspiracy, conspiracy nut job dupe.

Tell that to Harry Reid, idiot.

"Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) was asked whether his goal was to move Obamacare to a single-payer system. His answer? “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

Harry Reid and Tom Coburn Agree: Obamacare Was Designed to Fail, Pave Way for Single-Payer

Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

It turned into that after years of sabotage in red States d u h.

 

[francoHFW]

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Gawd you are stupid. If you are dying to live under socialism move to Venezuela!

I would prefer France thank you very much. They still don't allow American Immigration...

Sneak across their border.

They have a National ID card and they and enforce it, like every other developed country except our idiot a******GOP one...

 

[francoHFW]

I NEVER said I agreed that how he felt was true... I just said that he said it, and then the U.S. ramped up oil production and drove down the value of oil which destroyed their economy.

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Gawd you are stupid. If you are dying to live under socialism move to Venezuela!

You cannot move anywhere, they don't want stupid Americans... Can GOP dupes think at all? LOL!

"Stupid Americans"...

If anyone believes this guy isn't a treasonous traitor at this point I would question his mental activities. This guy is complaining that Americans are stupid, even despite the very high IQs, while wanting to import 3rd world 80 IQ trash. While worshiping 3rd world 80 IQ shithole nations.

But we are the stupid ones...

No it's only this retarded idiot that is dumb.

Brainwashed functional moron GOP voters like you bring us down d u h....

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

It is way past time for Universal Health Care. Why are we the only developed country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage cheap College and training good vacations Fair taxes on the rich national ID card to stop illegal immigration Etc etc etc? Scumbag GOP and silly dupes Like Norman...

It's way past the time when this anti-American idiot was supposed to exit the great country.

Remember, the Venezuelan paradise is just one plane ticket away. Free care for all! You might get the eal treatment, but hey, it's free!

So tired of these traitors.

So, it's so great to allow Americans to die from lack of healthcare?

Wow, what patriotism.

 

[Doc1]

You mean like the Saudis did when Obama was President? Look: Nobody ever said life was supposed to be fair. There's no reason we should inflict suffering upon ourselves just because some third-world shithole country can't get its actt together.

This is basically a capitalist world and the beauty of capitalism is that if you can't compete in the world market, GTFO of the way.

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Gawd you are stupid. If you are dying to live under socialism move to Venezuela!

I would prefer France thank you very much. They still don't allow American Immigration...

Sneak across their border.

They have a National ID card and they and enforce it, like every other developed country except our idiot a******GOP one...

You're quite the accomplished Communist.

 

[francoHFW]

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Gawd you are stupid. If you are dying to live under socialism move to Venezuela!

I would prefer France thank you very much. They still don't allow American Immigration...

Sneak across their border.

They have a National ID card and they and enforce it, like every other developed country except our idiot a******GOP one...

You're quite the accomplished Communist.

Communists believe in a dictatorship that owns all business and industry, idiot.

 

[JGalt]

70% is high but socialist-leaning countries still have higher than average tax rates. We seriously don't deserve to be as screwed up as they are...

Top Ten Countries With Highest Tax Rates - Financesonline.com

And they are all much happier than we are..
And many more too....

Is this like some opinion you have based on your hatred for America, or have you actually lived in any of those countries?

Google happiest countries, moron, and try watching and and reading real news someday, super duper...

"Google"? Really?

There's your fallacy: Getting faulty information from a leftists website. You might as well be relying on late-night comedians for you political advice.

What's that? You do rely on late-night comedians for your political advice?

Dumbass. Do you not even have a clue as to how much of a fuckin' hillbilly you really are? Relying on late-night comedians for you political advice is the liberal equivalent of "Hold my beer and watch this!...."

Not going to turn out like you expected but much hilarity for any spectators, ya dumbass.

So, what do you use to search the internet? You have to use some sort of search program or site.

Bing for general search. Google for image search because it's faster.

Even though, I still have to wade through a bunch of leftist-tainted crap to get to the truth.

 

[JGalt]

Actually it is a socialist world except for us, the greedy idiot GOP billionaire hold out. Dupe. Socialism is fair capitalism. Duh.

Gawd you are stupid. If you are dying to live under socialism move to Venezuela!

I would prefer France thank you very much. They still don't allow American Immigration...

Sneak across their border.

They have a National ID card and they and enforce it, like every other developed country except our idiot a******GOP one...

You're quite the accomplished Communist.

Communist, yes. But he hasn't really accomplished much with the exception of some virtue-signalling and proving to the world how much of a leftist he really is.

Most anyone with two working brain cells can see right through that shit.

 

[Anathema]

We pay 26%, other developed countries pay 34%. And they have free healthcare and all that other stuff. Don't be a dupe!

That 8% is a big difference for some of us.

 

[francoHFW]

We pay 26%, other developed countries pay 34%. And they have free healthcare and all that other stuff. Don't be a dupe!

That 8% is a big difference for some of us.

Well regulated Healthcare is about 10%. Here Healthcare costs 18% of GDP, a GOP disgrace, Dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

And they are all much happier than we are..
And many more too....

Is this like some opinion you have based on your hatred for America, or have you actually lived in any of those countries?

Google happiest countries, moron, and try watching and and reading real news someday, super duper...

"Google"? Really?

There's your fallacy: Getting faulty information from a leftists website. You might as well be relying on late-night comedians for you political advice.

What's that? You do rely on late-night comedians for your political advice?

Dumbass. Do you not even have a clue as to how much of a fuckin' hillbilly you really are? Relying on late-night comedians for you political advice is the liberal equivalent of "Hold my beer and watch this!...."

Not going to turn out like you expected but much hilarity for any spectators, ya dumbass.

So, what do you use to search the internet? You have to use some sort of search program or site.

Bing for general search. Google for image search because it's faster.

Even though, I still have to wade through a bunch of leftist-tainted crap to get to the truth.

Funny how everyone outside your bubble of GOP BS agrees with Democrats....
..

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We pay 26%, other developed countries pay 34%. And they have free healthcare and all that other stuff. Don't be a dupe!

That 8% is a big difference for some of us.

Well regulated Healthcare is about 10%. Here Healthcare costs 18% of GDP, a GOP disgrace, Dupe.

We already have national healthcare, the U.S.A government pays for ER visits of the uninsured at top rates keep in mind too.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

First off, for those that know me...I am a conservative.
I do ask the question in sincerity.
Last year with health premiums, and healthcare bills, my wife and I spent $7,040 for the two of us.
Then add in the employers portion of premium and that totals up to roughly $11,000.
Even with that, we are well below the average cost the average American pays.
So, would I pay out say... $600 a month in taxes, and my employer in lieu of paying premiums, pay another $400 a month? Instead of paying an insurer?
Yes, yes I would.
But only if the care was equally as good.
And would it be?
How would we, as a nation, pay for the bums and lazy asses who won't work?
Should a "health tax" be income specific? So someone who makes $250,000 a year would pay a great deal more than a $50,000 a year person? Would that work?

One thing is for certain. The current system is not working well. We are paying more and more and more to insurers who are raising deductibles and increasing premiums while covering less.
What fix is there?

Fix?

Step 1.
Get government out of the service side of the industry.

Step 2.
Ban corporate lobbying.

Step 3.
Ban drug commercials intended for public consumption.

Step 4.
Require ALL healthcare providers to offer to the public on demand prices for services.

Step 5.
Get a fucking job and buy your own.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Do you think a "health tax" filtered through the government is more efficient than money paid directly to insurance companies for health insurance? I remind you that there is no competition in taxes and the government can arrest you for failure to pay taxes and increase those taxes at the stroke of a pen but insurance companies will compete for the best coverage at the most reasonable price if given the chance.

Imagine if money were paid directly to the health care provider without the inflation of "health insurance"?