Is it too late for the GOP to defeat Identity Politics?

[Mac1958]

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For a couple of generations now, the Democrats have been wildly successful in dividing Americans into groups (particularly ethnic & economic) and engaging in targeted marketing to those groups. Divide and conquer has been a brilliant strategy politically, and it has paid off handsomely. As a result, we are now a hyphenated-America, with each constituency placing its status above all else. The Democrats have kicked ass. We're divided as all hell, with each constituency screaming for its stuff.

Meanwhile, the GOP has assisted the Democrats in their endeavors in two ways: by doing little to counter that tactic, and by being terrifically lousy messengers.

The GOP message (at least as I see it) should be something like, "We don't believe in dividing America into little pieces. We believe that we are all Americans who deserve the same rights and liberties, no one more than the other, to chase our dreams and build our future. We believe that when we're divided we are weaker."

Instead, the lousier messengers have made the GOP easy pickins for the Dems, refusing to bend an inch on safety net issues, giving a strong impression that they want the abject elimination of ALL government services, painting a nice, big target on their backs.

So, is it too late for the GOP to convince the individual groups -- pretty much owned by the Dems -- that their way is better?

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[LordBrownTrout]

The dems have perfected it and the Rs are in hot pursuit of it. Why would they give it up?

 

[Mac1958]

The dems have perfected it and the Rs are in hot pursuit of it. Why would they give it up?

Well, that's the thing. The Dems own Identity Politics, and I don't see the GOP taking it away from them. So I'd think the better move would be to take it head-on and provide some contrast.

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[eagle1462010]

You fight Fire with Fire.

You stand your ground.

When they cry and moan with their BS tactics devoid of TRUTH, you POUR SALT ON THEIR WOUNDS AND TELL THEM TO GO TO HELL.

The NO NUTS LEADERS OF THE GOP need to be REPLACED WITH TRUE CONSERVATIVES that HAVE A SET.

When they YELL, GOV. SHUTDOWN, AND CRY AND MOAN, then SHUT THE GOV. DOWN. Don't give an INCH...............It's happened before, and AMERICA IS STILL HERE. But the GOP is sooooooooooo WORRIED ABOUT POLITICAL BACK LASH that they STAND DOWN WHEN THEY NEED TO FIGHT.

We need to VOTE EVERY RHINO OUT OF OFFICE.

 

[eagle1462010]

In a NATION OF LIES, TRUTH IS TREASON.

Join the so CALLED TRAITORS OF AMERICA. The TEA PARTY and JOIN THOSE WILLING TO STAND UP TO THE LIBERAL BS.

The Libs hate them so much that the GOV. uses the IRS to attack them. Which PROVES that THE TEA PARTY HAS HIT A RAW NERVE ENDING.

Anyone have any SALT?

 

[dilloduck]

yes it's too late. The GOP has had it's ass kicked.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The problem is our Moderate Republican Politicians who are really doing the bidding of the Democrats

 

[eagle1462010]

the problem is our moderate republican politicians who are really doing the bidding of the democrats

absolutely............................

 

[midcan5]

Are you guys serious?

You have a party that labels rape 'legitimate!'
A party that wanted American companies to go out of business!
A party that believes in self deportation!
A party that wants (their) religion taught in school!
A party that thinks it's OK that nuts can buy guns!
A party that wants to know what is going on in a woman's uterus!
A party that thinks minimum wage is way too much pay!
A party that wants to deny rights to gay Americans!

The democrats today do nothing, but they win, not because they have a magic formula, but because the other party has elected some of the stupidest men and women to positions in which just a bit of reason is required.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/50859-conservative-beliefs.html

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[rightwinger]

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For a couple of generations now, the Democrats have been wildly successful in dividing Americans into groups (particularly ethnic & economic) and engaging in targeted marketing to those groups. Divide and conquer has been a brilliant strategy politically, and it has paid off handsomely. As a result, we are now a hyphenated-America, with each constituency placing its status above all else. The Democrats have kicked ass. We're divided as all hell, with each constituency screaming for its stuff.

Meanwhile, the GOP has assisted the Democrats in their endeavors in two ways: by doing little to counter that tactic, and by being terrifically lousy messengers.

The GOP message (at least as I see it) should be something like, "We don't believe in dividing America into little pieces. We believe that we are all Americans who deserve the same rights and liberties, no one more than the other, to chase our dreams and build our future. We believe that when we're divided we are weaker."

Instead, the lousier messengers have made the GOP easy pickins for the Dems, refusing to bend an inch on safety net issues, giving a strong impression that they want the abject elimination of ALL government services, painting a nice, big target on their backs.

So, is it too late for the GOP to convince the individual groups -- pretty much owned by the Dems -- that their way is better?

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The Republicans have been trying to sell themselves as a one size fits all party where they treat everyone the same. The problem for the Republicans is that the "One size fits all" is white, christian, male and upper middle class/wealthy.

Dividing America into little pieces means you recognize that people are different. They have different wants and needs.

Farmers have different priorities than city folk
Old people have different wants and needs than young people
Religious people have different demands than atheists
Lower class Americans have different expectations than the wealthy

You can ignore demographics and pretend that they don't matter or shouldn't matter. But that is the way a society operates....trying to balance the desires of all members

 

[dilloduck]

Are you guys serious?

You have a party that labels rape 'legitimate!'
A party that wanted American companies to go out of business!
A party that believes in self deportation!
A party that wants (their) religion taught in school!
A party that thinks it's OK that nuts can buy guns!
A party that wants to know what is going on in a woman's uterus!
A party that thinks minimum wage is way too much pay!
A party that wants to deny rights to gay Americans!

The democrats today do nothing, but they win, not because they have a magic formula, but because the other party has elected some of the stupidest men and women to positions in which just a bit of reason is required.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/50859-conservative-beliefs.html

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Are you trying to rub it in by playing more identity politics ? I guess you have to keep reminding people of the ugly labels you have slapped on the GOP.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Are you guys serious?

You have a party that labels rape 'legitimate!'
A party that wanted American companies to go out of business!
A party that believes in self deportation!
A party that wants (their) religion taught in school!
A party that thinks it's OK that nuts can buy guns!
A party that wants to know what is going on in a woman's uterus!
A party that thinks minimum wage is way too much pay!
A party that wants to deny rights to gay Americans!

The democrats today do nothing, but they win, not because they have a magic formula, but because the other party has elected some of the stupidest men and women to positions in which just a bit of reason is required.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/50859-conservative-beliefs.html

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The dems win because they pander and exploit race, ethnicity, and color by cheap gimmicks and toys out of the treasury. Take that away and they have nothing to offer.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The GOP can cope if it reaches out with sincerity to women, minorities, immigrants.

Do not follow the lead of the Texas Senate, for example.

 

[eagle1462010]

A CEO, a Conservative and a Liberal walk into a room. There are ten cookies on the table. The CEO takes nine and whispers to the Conservative.......Liberals trying to take your cookie

The CEO makes the cookies to sell. The Liberals and Conservatives are trying to figure out how much of the cookies they get. The CEO wants to sell 9 cookies to make a profit. The conservative is saying that the Government getting only 1 cookie is okay. The Liberal is Moore and wants to eat them all.

So the Liberal is now in power. Takes 5 or 6, hands them out to those he deems needy. leaves only 5 for the CEO to sell, so the CEO has to INCREASE PRICES. Then the Lib YELLS AND SCREAMS ABOUT THE CEO RAISING PRICES, after eating all 5 cookies and giving out the CRUMBS TO THE NEEDY.

 

[dilloduck]

The GOP can cope if it reaches out with sincerity to women, minorities, immigrants.

Do not follow the lead of the Texas Senate, for example.

Currently they are the most successful GOP ers that there are.

The democrats "reach" to minorities is about as far from sincere as it gets. When these minorities discovered how badly the liberals have used them, they may have a change in heart.

 

[Avatar4321]

Im not concerned about the GOP. Im concerned about the people. The Progressives of the Democrat and Republican party are both selling the people down the river.

If they don't find a way to articulate an argument against divisive identity politics, someone else will.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Texas Senate does not represent the better sort of Republicans.

The GOP must reach out sincerely to the minorities and women and immigrants.

If it fails in doing so, it will fall as a party and fail the nation.

 

[dilloduck]

I've seen two examples of what I thought were bi partisan cooperation. One was for a brief period of time after 9/11 and the other was the bailout. It appears only disaster or pending disaster can mend the fence and then only for a short period of time. I see us as a nation divided for a long time to come and no self serving politicians will be the ones to end it.

 

[Avatar4321]

I've seen two examples of what I thought were bi partisan cooperation. One was for a brief period of time after 9/11 and the other was the bailout. It appears only disaster or pending disaster can mend the fence and then only for a short period of time. I see us as a nation divided for a long time to come and no self serving politicians will be the ones to end it.

And what has been the result? Bipartisan action only occurs when the politicians of both parties have found a way to screw over the people.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Avatar, do you have a better suggestion than what we have as a government today?

Don't tell us a theocracy under God's leaders, because you have told us that you would not follow King Benjamin.

Just what kind of government do you want.