Is it too late for the GOP to defeat Identity Politics?

[dilloduck]

Or just wait for the dems to implode from all their bullshit. When people get tired of being the "poor" shit on subjects maybe they will wake up

The collateral damage caused by that implosion could be enormous.

Perhaps. But it would make rebuilding much easier with their gubmit for all nonsense debunked

I guess we just hide and watch. They'll get really bored while they spy on us.

 

[Mac1958]

Yep.

These "constituencies" keep screaming for stuff like:

Freedom
Equality
Justice.

How dare they.

An absolutely perfect illustration of my point.

So these groups want precisely what any other American wants, we're all one, E Pluribus Unum. Yet you position me as the bad guy for pointing it out, and them as the victims, as if I'm somehow trying to stop them. The exact opposite of what I'm saying.

A brilliant strategy, it's worked well for you. I don't see how the GOP can combat this.

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I didn't do anything you didn't do all by yourself.

You may want to ignore institutional racism and all that goes along with that, but rectifying that damage is still a work in progress.

One of the major problems with the GOP is that they think everything is just "Jim Dandy" or they completely deny or minimalize these things.

It's not working.

Straw man arguments and distortion are another very effective tactic, it certainly is insulting, but I'll play along.

Of course racism still exists on several levels. The question is how to best deal with it, how to squeeze it out of our culture as far as possible, as quickly as possible. The Left's strategy of screaming "racism" at absolutely every opportunity has been very effective at intimidating people, but what has it really accomplished? Do you really think this has helped?

It hasn't reduced racism. It has, in fact, increased animosity, divided us even more.

In fact, if I were to play your Straw Man game, I would congratulate you on your success in keeping Americans divided, and that this seems to be your goal for purely political advantage. This kind of intellectual dishonesty has kept Identity Politics alive, so why stop now?

.

 

[g5000]

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For a couple of generations now, the Democrats have been wildly successful in dividing Americans into groups (particularly ethnic & economic) and engaging in targeted marketing to those groups. Divide and conquer has been a brilliant strategy politically, and it has paid off handsomely. As a result, we are now a hyphenated-America, with each constituency placing its status above all else. The Democrats have kicked ass. We're divided as all hell, with each constituency screaming for its stuff.

Meanwhile, the GOP has assisted the Democrats in their endeavors in two ways: by doing little to counter that tactic, and by being terrifically lousy messengers.

The GOP message (at least as I see it) should be something like, "We don't believe in dividing America into little pieces. We believe that we are all Americans who deserve the same rights and liberties, no one more than the other, to chase our dreams and build our future. We believe that when we're divided we are weaker."

Instead, the lousier messengers have made the GOP easy pickins for the Dems, refusing to bend an inch on safety net issues, giving a strong impression that they want the abject elimination of ALL government services, painting a nice, big target on their backs.

So, is it too late for the GOP to convince the individual groups -- pretty much owned by the Dems -- that their way is better?

.

Yeah. The GOP needs to ask all the fags and ragheads and wetbacks to come to their senses and vote Republican!

I just don't understand why the darkies, queers, and latent terrorists don't vote for the red team...

It must be the Lefties and their identity politics. Just look at them, plotting the next war on Christmas! IT'S A GODDAM CULTURE WAR!!! IS IT GOING TO US OR THEM? HUH?

 

[Plasmaball]

You fight Fire with Fire.

You stand your ground.

When they cry and moan with their BS tactics devoid of TRUTH, you POUR SALT ON THEIR WOUNDS AND TELL THEM TO GO TO HELL.

The NO NUTS LEADERS OF THE GOP need to be REPLACED WITH TRUE CONSERVATIVES that HAVE A SET.

When they YELL, GOV. SHUTDOWN, AND CRY AND MOAN, then SHUT THE GOV. DOWN. Don't give an INCH...............It's happened before, and AMERICA IS STILL HERE. But the GOP is sooooooooooo WORRIED ABOUT POLITICAL BACK LASH that they STAND DOWN WHEN THEY NEED TO FIGHT.

We need to VOTE EVERY RHINO OUT OF OFFICE.

I wonder why. You defeat yourself

 

[Plasmaball]

Yep.

These "constituencies" keep screaming for stuff like:

Freedom
Equality
Justice.

How dare they.

An absolutely perfect illustration of my point.

So these groups want precisely what any other American wants, we're all one, E Pluribus Unum. Yet you position me as the bad guy for pointing it out, and them as the victims, as if I'm somehow trying to stop them. The exact opposite of what I'm saying.

A brilliant strategy, it's worked well for you. I don't see how the GOP can combat this.

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Deception is a good tactic against the uninitiated. It loses it's fluster when you are aware of whats going on.

Ok bane

 

[JakeStarkey]

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For a couple of generations now, the Democrats have been wildly successful in dividing Americans into groups (particularly ethnic & economic) and engaging in targeted marketing to those groups. Divide and conquer has been a brilliant strategy politically, and it has paid off handsomely. As a result, we are now a hyphenated-America, with each constituency placing its status above all else. The Democrats have kicked ass. We're divided as all hell, with each constituency screaming for its stuff.

Meanwhile, the GOP has assisted the Democrats in their endeavors in two ways: by doing little to counter that tactic, and by being terrifically lousy messengers.

The GOP message (at least as I see it) should be something like, "We don't believe in dividing America into little pieces. We believe that we are all Americans who deserve the same rights and liberties, no one more than the other, to chase our dreams and build our future. We believe that when we're divided we are weaker."

Instead, the lousier messengers have made the GOP easy pickins for the Dems, refusing to bend an inch on safety net issues, giving a strong impression that they want the abject elimination of ALL government services, painting a nice, big target on their backs.

So, is it too late for the GOP to convince the individual groups -- pretty much owned by the Dems -- that their way is better?

.

Yeah. The GOP needs to ask all the fags and ragheads and wetbacks to come to their senses and vote Republican!

I just don't understand why the darkies, queers, and latent terrorists don't vote for the red team...

It must be the Lefties and their identity politics. Just look at them, plotting the next war on Christmas! IT'S A GODDAM CULTURE WAR!!! IS IT GOING TO US OR THEM? HUH?

Actually if the mainstream and upcoming generations of young adults and women and minorities continue the way they are, the new mainstream will isolate and marginalize the far lefties (no real socialist government) and the far righties (the Euro-centric white America of the 1950s is gone) forever.

 

[eagle7_31]

Are you guys serious?

You have a party that labels rape 'legitimate!'
A party that wanted American companies to go out of business!
A party that believes in self deportation!
A party that wants (their) religion taught in school!
A party that thinks it's OK that nuts can buy guns!
A party that wants to know what is going on in a woman's uterus!
A party that thinks minimum wage is way too much pay!
A party that wants to deny rights to gay Americans!

The democrats today do nothing, but they win, not because they have a magic formula, but because the other party has elected some of the stupidest men and women to positions in which just a bit of reason is required.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/50859-conservative-beliefs.html

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Where do you get your delulsions? DNC talking points??

 

[ScreamingEagle]

the GOP could cut across all identity politics if they were able to actually put together a decent campaign.....they need to focus on people's pocketbooks and sense of pride...

JOBS JOBS JOBS

WORK NOT WELFARE

FREE UP FREE ENTERPRISE

CAPITALISM CREATES...SOCIALISM SUCKS

WE BUILT THIS COUNTRY

 

[JakeStarkey]

the GOP could cut across all identity politics if they were able to actually put together a decent campaign.....they need to focus on people's pocketbooks and sense of pride...

JOBS JOBS JOBS

WORK NOT WELFARE

FREE UP FREE ENTERPRISE

CAPITALISM CREATES...SOCIALISM SUCKS

WE BUILT THIS COUNTRY

You are right.

 

[rightwinger]

the GOP could cut across all identity politics if they were able to actually put together a decent campaign.....they need to focus on people's pocketbooks and sense of pride...

JOBS JOBS JOBS

WORK NOT WELFARE

FREE UP FREE ENTERPRISE

CAPITALISM CREATES...SOCIALISM SUCKS

WE BUILT THIS COUNTRY

GOP talks the talk.......they don't walk the walk

Maybe if they would put away the bumper stickers and actually deliver some good paying jobs, people would believe them

 

[JakeStarkey]

the GOP could cut across all identity politics if they were able to actually put together a decent campaign.....they need to focus on people's pocketbooks and sense of pride...

JOBS JOBS JOBS

WORK NOT WELFARE

FREE UP FREE ENTERPRISE

CAPITALISM CREATES...SOCIALISM SUCKS

WE BUILT THIS COUNTRY

GOP talks the talk.......they don't walk the walk

Maybe if they would put away the bumper stickers and actually deliver some good paying jobs, people would believe them

Gotta stop addressing economic problems with "we are going to end gay marriage and abortion".

 

[g5000]

The GOP is too cowardly to put any bold proposals on the table. All you hear from the Right these days is a neverending stream of negativity.

It is the coward who does nothing but attack and whine and hate.

We need new leadership. The entire GOP superstructure, including their media whores, is rotten and corrupt and cowardly and downright stupid.


Here are the areas where they need to lead:

1. Raise the retirement age. We are living decades longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer than they did. Just raising the retirement age by five years means we would be paying into the system five years longer, and drawing from it five years less.

2. Put bank fraudsters in prison. Go after them with a venegeance. These criminals are destroying our capitalist foundations. And they have become emboldened by the lack of enforcement and punishment. Now they are eroding the very DNA of our economic system. They wave the flag of capitalism while chewing holes in it.

3. Ban tax expenditures. All of them. If you take away a Congressman's ability to sneak tax breaks into the tax code, you take away a huge incentive to donate campaign cash, thus leveling the electoral playing field considerably. Congressman have been adding tax incentives at the rate of one per day for over a decade. That is massive corruption resulting in a Representative having a 98 percent chance of re-election if he/she chooses to run again.

We are losing over a trillion dollars a year in revenue due to tax expenditures.

It is insane that two people earning identical incomes are paying different amounts of taxes.

Eliminate tax expenditures and we can lower tax rates considerably.

All tax expenditures are regressive taxation.


4. Reform health care by making the purchasing of health insurance identical to the purchasing of home, life, and auto insurance.

Reform health care by eliminating the highly regressive employer-sponsored health insurance that is bending the cost curve upward.



It is time to stop whining. It is time to stop taking the coward's way of always attacking the other guy's ideas without putting forth your own.

It is time to lead.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The GOP is too cowardly to put any bold proposals on the table. All you hear from the Right these days is a neverending stream of negativity.

It is the coward who does nothing but attack and whine and hate.

We need new leadership. The entire GOP superstructure, including their media whores, is rotten and corrupt and cowardly and downright stupid.


Here are the areas where they need to lead:

1. Raise the retirement age. We are living decades longer than our ancestors, we should be working longer than they did. Just raising the retirement age by five years means we would be paying into the system five years longer, and drawing from it five years less.

2. Put bank fraudsters in prison. Go after them with a venegeance. These criminals are destroying our capitalist foundations. And they have become emboldened by the lack of enforcement and punishment. Now they are eroding the very DNA of our economic system. They wave the flag of capitalism while chewing holes in it.

3. Ban tax expenditures. All of them. If you take away a Congressman's ability to sneak tax breaks into the tax code, you take away a huge incentive to donate campaign cash, thus leveling the electoral playing field considerably. Congressman have been adding tax incentives at the rate of one per day for over a decade. That is massive corruption resulting in a Representative having a 98 percent chance of re-election if he/she chooses to run again.

We are losing over a trillion dollars a year in revenue due to tax expenditures.

It is insane that two people earning identical incomes are paying different amounts of taxes.

Eliminate tax expenditures and we can lower tax rates considerably.

All tax expenditures are regressive taxation.


4. Reform health care by making the purchasing of health insurance identical to the purchasing of home, life, and auto insurance.

Reform health care by eliminating the highly regressive employer-sponsored health insurance that is bending the cost curve upward.



It is time to stop whining. It is time to stop taking the coward's way of always attacking the other guy's ideas without putting forth your own.

It is time to lead.

You have your head so far up your own ass you've lost your mind in all the shit you spew.

PLENTY of items were offered by the gop in the house and were promptly shelved by Harry Reid who then along with Pelosi and the msm went on to label them as Nazi's and domestic terrorists.

You've swallowed their gobbledygook hook line and sinker.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The Texas Senate does not represent the better sort of Republicans.

The GOP must reach out sincerely to the minorities and women and immigrants.

If it fails in doing so, it will fall as a party and fail the nation.

Neither one of these parasitic parties is going anywhere. The same was said about the dems when they started losing back in the mid 90's and continued that trend for 10 years.

 

[g5000]

You have your head so far up your own ass you've lost your mind in all the shit you spew.

PLENTY of items were offered by the gop in the house and were promptly shelved by Harry Reid who then along with Pelosi and the msm went on to label them as Nazi's and domestic terrorists.

You've swallowed their gobbledygook hook line and sinker.

Sorry I've made your ass hurt a few times for regurgitating the faux right wing piss.

Turn on Fox News tonight. Or watch those two airheaded broads, Doocy and Kilmeade, in the morning. Or go to Breitbart or CNS News or the Washington Times or the Daily Caller web sites.

Or listen to anything that comes out of Mitch McConnell's mouth. Everything is about what he WON'T do. Whatever Obama is up to at the moment, and McConnell is asked what he would do, he says, "We WON'T do (whatever Obama is doing)."

Watch the political talking head shows. The token right winger is always complaining or attacking. Remember the "Friends of Hamas"? This is how retarded they have become. The guy couldn't even take the trouble to google "Friends of Hamas" or check the State Department website. But he couldn't go on TV fast enough, before the entire country, and parrot the nugget of bullshit he greedily ate.

Pay attention. Observe the pissing and moaning and attacks. You can see it right here on this forum. Go back and look at your own topics that YOU have started. It's all pissing and moaning.

The faux right is nothing but a bunch of whiners.

And you are their tool. You post a lot of copy and paste bullshit emitted by these media whores.

 

[g5000]

I don't hear the GOP agenda.

If they have solutions on the table, why don't we hear anything about it on Breitbart or CNS News or Daily Caller?

Why aren't the faux right wingers starting multiple topics about the same thing every day which is a proposal to solve problems?

How come all we get instead are bitches about hotel bills and golf games and Mega Mosques of Doooooooooooom in Maryland and fag marriages? Why do at least three people each start a topic on the same day about the whine du jour?

Solutions, my ass. They are nothing but titty babies.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

You have your head so far up your own ass you've lost your mind in all the shit you spew.

PLENTY of items were offered by the gop in the house and were promptly shelved by Harry Reid who then along with Pelosi and the msm went on to label them as Nazi's and domestic terrorists.

You've swallowed their gobbledygook hook line and sinker.

Sorry I've made your ass hurt a few times for regurgitating the faux right wing piss.

Turn on Fox News tonight. Or watch those two airheaded broads, Doocy and Kilmeade, in the morning. Or go to Breitbart or CNS News or the Washington Times or the Daily Caller web sites.

Or listen to anything that comes out of Mitch McConnell's mouth. Everything is about what he WON'T do. Whatever Obama is up to at the moment, and McConnell is asked what he would do, he says, "We WON'T do (whatever Obama is doing)."

Watch the political talking head shows. The token right winger is always complaining or attacking. Remember the "Friends of Hamas"? This is how retarded they have become. The guy couldn't even take the trouble to google "Friends of Hamas" or check the State Department website. But he couldn't go on TV fast enough, before the entire country, and parrot the nugget of bullshit he greedily ate.

Pay attention. Observe the pissing and moaning and attacks. You can see it right here on this forum. Go back and look at your own topics that YOU have started. It's all pissing and moaning.

The faux right is nothing but a bunch of whiners.

And you are their tool. You post a lot of copy and paste bullshit emitted by these media whores.

Non of that changes anything I said.

You ARE the weakest link....goodbye

 

[Uncensored2008]

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For a couple of generations now, the Democrats have been wildly successful in dividing Americans into groups (particularly ethnic & economic) and engaging in targeted marketing to those groups. Divide and conquer has been a brilliant strategy politically, and it has paid off handsomely. As a result, we are now a hyphenated-America, with each constituency placing its status above all else. The Democrats have kicked ass. We're divided as all hell, with each constituency screaming for its stuff.

Meanwhile, the GOP has assisted the Democrats in their endeavors in two ways: by doing little to counter that tactic, and by being terrifically lousy messengers.

The GOP message (at least as I see it) should be something like, "We don't believe in dividing America into little pieces. We believe that we are all Americans who deserve the same rights and liberties, no one more than the other, to chase our dreams and build our future. We believe that when we're divided we are weaker."

Instead, the lousier messengers have made the GOP easy pickins for the Dems, refusing to bend an inch on safety net issues, giving a strong impression that they want the abject elimination of ALL government services, painting a nice, big target on their backs.

So, is it too late for the GOP to convince the individual groups -- pretty much owned by the Dems -- that their way is better?

.

United we stand, divided dims win....

 

[g5000]

You have your head so far up your own ass you've lost your mind in all the shit you spew.

PLENTY of items were offered by the gop in the house and were promptly shelved by Harry Reid who then along with Pelosi and the msm went on to label them as Nazi's and domestic terrorists.

You've swallowed their gobbledygook hook line and sinker.

Sorry I've made your ass hurt a few times for regurgitating the faux right wing piss.

Turn on Fox News tonight. Or watch those two airheaded broads, Doocy and Kilmeade, in the morning. Or go to Breitbart or CNS News or the Washington Times or the Daily Caller web sites.

Or listen to anything that comes out of Mitch McConnell's mouth. Everything is about what he WON'T do. Whatever Obama is up to at the moment, and McConnell is asked what he would do, he says, "We WON'T do (whatever Obama is doing)."

Watch the political talking head shows. The token right winger is always complaining or attacking. Remember the "Friends of Hamas"? This is how retarded they have become. The guy couldn't even take the trouble to google "Friends of Hamas" or check the State Department website. But he couldn't go on TV fast enough, before the entire country, and parrot the nugget of bullshit he greedily ate.

Pay attention. Observe the pissing and moaning and attacks. You can see it right here on this forum. Go back and look at your own topics that YOU have started. It's all pissing and moaning.

The faux right is nothing but a bunch of whiners.

And you are their tool. You post a lot of copy and paste bullshit emitted by these media whores.

Non of that changes anything I said.

You ARE the weakest link....goodbye

Irony!

Looking forward to your next whining topic fed to you by the hack yellow journals. Even though I have pointed it out, you won't be able to help yourself. You'll still do it.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Sorry I've made your ass hurt a few times for regurgitating the faux right wing piss.

Turn on Fox News tonight. Or watch those two airheaded broads, Doocy and Kilmeade, in the morning. Or go to Breitbart or CNS News or the Washington Times or the Daily Caller web sites.

Or listen to anything that comes out of Mitch McConnell's mouth. Everything is about what he WON'T do. Whatever Obama is up to at the moment, and McConnell is asked what he would do, he says, "We WON'T do (whatever Obama is doing)."

Watch the political talking head shows. The token right winger is always complaining or attacking. Remember the "Friends of Hamas"? This is how retarded they have become. The guy couldn't even take the trouble to google "Friends of Hamas" or check the State Department website. But he couldn't go on TV fast enough, before the entire country, and parrot the nugget of bullshit he greedily ate.

Pay attention. Observe the pissing and moaning and attacks. You can see it right here on this forum. Go back and look at your own topics that YOU have started. It's all pissing and moaning.

The faux right is nothing but a bunch of whiners.

And you are their tool. You post a lot of copy and paste bullshit emitted by these media whores.

Non of that changes anything I said.

You ARE the weakest link....goodbye

Irony!

Looking forward to your next whining topic.

Neg!

Looking forward to you pretending your special.