Is it too late for the GOP to defeat Identity Politics?

[JakeStarkey]

The Texas Senate does not represent the better sort of Republicans.

The GOP must reach out sincerely to the minorities and women and immigrants.

If it fails in doing so, it will fall as a party and fail the nation.

Neither one of these parasitic parties is going anywhere. The same was said about the dems when they started losing back in the mid 90's and continued that trend for 10 years.

Not the same and you are foolish if you think so.

You are in denial, LBT.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yep.

These "constituencies" keep screaming for stuff like:

Freedom
Equality
Justice.

How dare they.

Naturally, for you leftists to give freedom to one group, you must take it away from another. For you to provide equality for a favored group, you must strip it from a disfavored group.

Then you call this justice...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yep.

These "constituencies" keep screaming for stuff like:

Freedom
Equality
Justice.

How dare they.

Naturally, for you leftists to give freedom to one group, you must take it away from another. For you to provide equality for a favored group, you must strip it from a disfavored group.

Then you call this justice...

Your confused mumbling, Uncensored, is but an example of why young and minority and female America are turning their backs on your type of Republicanism.

 

[Mac1958]

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I haven't yet seen a positive, compelling message the GOP can offer to overcome Identity Politics.

Does that mean we agree that the GOP can't overcome it?

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[The2ndAmendment]

Buy lots of guns and ammo, it isn't going to end nicely.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not for the reactionary right, with that attitude, for sure.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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I haven't yet seen a positive, compelling message the GOP can offer to overcome Identity Politics.

Does that mean we agree that the GOP can't overcome it?

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How about this one;

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.


It has a certain ring to it.... AND it will piss the democrats off.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Buy lots of guns and ammo, it isn't going to end nicely.

You're just itching to shoot somebody, aren't you?

Who's first on your list, you frickin' psycho....

 

[Mac1958]

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I haven't yet seen a positive, compelling message the GOP can offer to overcome Identity Politics.

Does that mean we agree that the GOP can't overcome it?

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How about this one;

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.


It has a certain ring to it.... AND it will piss the democrats off.

I guess my goal was a message to the people with whom Identity Politics has been so successful in an effort to reduce the stranglehold the Democrats have on specific (but growing) groups. Do you think reciting a line from the Declaration of Independence is really going to accomplish this?

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[mudwhistle]

I would use the IRS to target the mainstream media.

 

[g5000]

Non of that changes anything I said.

You ARE the weakest link....goodbye

Irony!

Looking forward to your next whining topic.

Neg!

Looking forward to you pretending your special.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I guess my goal was a message to the people with whom Identity Politics has been so successful in an effort to reduce the stranglehold the Democrats have on specific (but growing) groups. Do you think reciting a line from the Declaration of Independence is really going to accomplish this?

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Reciting? No!

Actually embracing? Yes - in fact it's the only way the GOP can rebound.

The dichotomy is between those who offer security in exchange for obedience - ultimately this is the kernel of identity politics - and those who offer liberty. The Republicans have been weak on liberty - this is why I left them 25 years ago. A message of pandering to the religious right will never return the GOP to power. The GOP must offer an alternative to the authoritarian policies of the democrats - they must offer liberty.

And offer it as an honest choice; "If you are children, who want a daddy to take care of you and discipline you, then by all means embrace Obama, embrace the democrats. BUT if you are adults who want to have the freedom of life, liberty and the pursuit of your own happiness, as defined by you, the right to succeed or fail on your own merit, your own intellect, then reject the prison of the democrats and embrace freedom."

 

[Uncensored2008]

I would use the IRS to target the mainstream media.

I would disband the IRS.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Are you guys serious?

You have a party that labels rape 'legitimate!'
A party that wanted American companies to go out of business!
A party that believes in self deportation!
A party that wants (their) religion taught in school!
A party that thinks it's OK that nuts can buy guns!
A party that wants to know what is going on in a woman's uterus!
A party that thinks minimum wage is way too much pay!
A party that wants to deny rights to gay Americans!

The democrats today do nothing, but they win, not because they have a magic formula, but because the other party has elected some of the stupidest men and women to positions in which just a bit of reason is required.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/50859-conservative-beliefs.html

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I love how you think that not loving gays is a stupid position.

Business should be allowed to go out of business, if they suck. Although unfortunately bullshit lawsuits and stupid regulations need to be curbed as well


As to legitimate rape, apparently you didnt get the duke lacross memo, read about it, then lets discuss

As for the uterus, we already know whats goin on there, you dont?

Who wants nuts to buy guns, you realize they dont get them through lawful means? Why not put crazies in an institution

Religion is not a bad thing, but youre not familiar with it are you?

Should the min wage be $100 an hour?

 

[bendog]

I don't understand how you consider dems to be playing identity politics. The issue is very simple. There are 11 million people working here without having legally entered the country, and beyond any dispute both parties have had roles in how this came to be. There is a rough consensus that these people need to become documented, and Americans need to stop hiring people without documentaton. The question is simply whether the solution must involve a way for these 11 million to become ciitizens. For the vast maj of Latinos, this is not a debateable point.

It's only identity politics if you think these people are simply wrong. But in that case, you are playing "identity politics" in no dissimilar way. We get nowhere by arguing stuff like "it's not fair they stay" or "it's not fair they can't be citiizens."

It used to be from a conservative viewpoint that if someone wanted something, that didn't involve taking something from someone else without permission, the only rational objection is whether there is some disadvantage to me. Lawn care may become more expensive, but that's really all I see here.

 

[LoneLaugher]

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For a couple of generations now, the Democrats have been wildly successful in dividing Americans into groups (particularly ethnic & economic) and engaging in targeted marketing to those groups. Divide and conquer has been a brilliant strategy politically, and it has paid off handsomely. As a result, we are now a hyphenated-America, with each constituency placing its status above all else. The Democrats have kicked ass. We're divided as all hell, with each constituency screaming for its stuff.

Meanwhile, the GOP has assisted the Democrats in their endeavors in two ways: by doing little to counter that tactic, and by being terrifically lousy messengers.

The GOP message (at least as I see it) should be something like, "We don't believe in dividing America into little pieces. We believe that we are all Americans who deserve the same rights and liberties, no one more than the other, to chase our dreams and build our future. We believe that when we're divided we are weaker."

Instead, the lousier messengers have made the GOP easy pickins for the Dems, refusing to bend an inch on safety net issues, giving a strong impression that they want the abject elimination of ALL government services, painting a nice, big target on their backs.

So, is it too late for the GOP to convince the individual groups -- pretty much owned by the Dems -- that their way is better?

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Hmmmmm. Does the OP think that the various identity groups which have become ardent supporters of the Democratic Party are not working together? That they are simply putting up with each other so they can all be assured of getting "stuff"?

I am a 48 year old white business owner. Am I one of the people that the Democratic Party has successfully cajoled into voting for some of their candidates by using identity politics?

How does the OP describe the methods by which the GOP has secured it's base over the past century? Is it not Identity politics? Of course it is.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/a-note-on-identity-politics/

The reason why the GOP's attempts to woo various groups within our country ( all of whom are legitimate citizens and identify as American first, I submit ) have failed is because they are not genuine. People know when they are being lied to......especially that pandering kind of lie.

Finally, the Democratic Party has already cornered the market on :

"We don't believe in dividing America into little pieces. We believe that we are all Americans who deserve the same rights and liberties, no one more than the other, to chase our dreams and build our future. [B[/B]]We believe that when we're divided we are weaker." [/B][/B]

 

[Agit8r]

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For a couple of generations now, the Democrats have been wildly successful in dividing Americans into groups (particularly ethnic & economic) and engaging in targeted marketing to those groups. Divide and conquer has been a brilliant strategy politically, and it has paid off handsomely. As a result, we are now a hyphenated-America, with each constituency placing its status above all else. The Democrats have kicked ass. We're divided as all hell, with each constituency screaming for its stuff.

Meanwhile, the GOP has assisted the Democrats in their endeavors in two ways: by doing little to counter that tactic, and by being terrifically lousy messengers.

The GOP message (at least as I see it) should be something like, "We don't believe in dividing America into little pieces. We believe that we are all Americans who deserve the same rights and liberties, no one more than the other, to chase our dreams and build our future. We believe that when we're divided we are weaker."

Instead, the lousier messengers have made the GOP easy pickins for the Dems, refusing to bend an inch on safety net issues, giving a strong impression that they want the abject elimination of ALL government services, painting a nice, big target on their backs.

So, is it too late for the GOP to convince the individual groups -- pretty much owned by the Dems -- that their way is better?

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GOP rhetoric is built entirely on identity politics. Their social policies are 100% designed to appeal to religious fundamentalists. Their other policies have been packaged to appeal to the culture of ex-Confederate states and territories.

 

[Borillar]

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For a couple of generations now, the Democrats have been wildly successful in dividing Americans into groups (particularly ethnic & economic) and engaging in targeted marketing to those groups. Divide and conquer has been a brilliant strategy politically, and it has paid off handsomely. As a result, we are now a hyphenated-America, with each constituency placing its status above all else. The Democrats have kicked ass. We're divided as all hell, with each constituency screaming for its stuff.

Meanwhile, the GOP has assisted the Democrats in their endeavors in two ways: by doing little to counter that tactic, and by being terrifically lousy messengers.

The GOP message (at least as I see it) should be something like, "We don't believe in dividing America into little pieces. We believe that we are all Americans who deserve the same rights and liberties, no one more than the other, to chase our dreams and build our future. We believe that when we're divided we are weaker."

Instead, the lousier messengers have made the GOP easy pickins for the Dems, refusing to bend an inch on safety net issues, giving a strong impression that they want the abject elimination of ALL government services, painting a nice, big target on their backs.

So, is it too late for the GOP to convince the individual groups -- pretty much owned by the Dems -- that their way is better?

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WTF!? Are you serious? The GOP has been using divide and conquer tactics for decades. It isn't endemic to Democrats only. Fear and division is one of the GOP's biggest tactics. They sell the fear of racial and religious minorities, immigrants, gays, poor people, unions, working class, etc to their followers. The problem now is that the groups the GOP demonizes now outnumber the groups the GOP represents. They already had the difficult task of getting people to vote against their own economic self interest. Now they compound that difficulty by blaming society's problems on the people in these segments and somehow expect to get their votes.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The Texas Senate does not represent the better sort of Republicans.

The GOP must reach out sincerely to the minorities and women and immigrants.

If it fails in doing so, it will fall as a party and fail the nation.

Neither one of these parasitic parties is going anywhere. The same was said about the dems when they started losing back in the mid 90's and continued that trend for 10 years.

Not the same and you are foolish if you think so.

You are in denial, LBT.

It was not the same back then either. I'm looking at historical cycles.

 

[bendog]

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For a couple of generations now, the Democrats have been wildly successful in dividing Americans into groups (particularly ethnic & economic) and engaging in targeted marketing to those groups. Divide and conquer has been a brilliant strategy politically, and it has paid off handsomely. As a result, we are now a hyphenated-America, with each constituency placing its status above all else. The Democrats have kicked ass. We're divided as all hell, with each constituency screaming for its stuff.

Meanwhile, the GOP has assisted the Democrats in their endeavors in two ways: by doing little to counter that tactic, and by being terrifically lousy messengers.

The GOP message (at least as I see it) should be something like, "We don't believe in dividing America into little pieces. We believe that we are all Americans who deserve the same rights and liberties, no one more than the other, to chase our dreams and build our future. We believe that when we're divided we are weaker."

Instead, the lousier messengers have made the GOP easy pickins for the Dems, refusing to bend an inch on safety net issues, giving a strong impression that they want the abject elimination of ALL government services, painting a nice, big target on their backs.

So, is it too late for the GOP to convince the individual groups -- pretty much owned by the Dems -- that their way is better?

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WTF!? Are you serious? The GOP has been using divide and conquer tactics for decades. It isn't endemic to Democrats only. Fear and division is one of the GOP's biggest tactics. They sell the fear of racial and religious minorities, immigrants, gays, poor people, unions, working class, etc to their followers. The problem now is that the groups the GOP demonizes now outnumber the groups the GOP represents. They already had the difficult task of getting people to vote against their own economic self interest. Now they compound that difficulty by blaming society's problems on the people in these segments and somehow expect to get their votes.

It's like a replay of the 2012 election. If someone says "we have a message problem." The response is to say "the only message problem is what you're saying about our message." And the result is a mindset of "stick to our guns" rather than "maybe we should rethink exactly why our message/position is what it is."