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False data, sundevil, try again. My arguments are unassailable by concrete learner like you, who is allied to wide eyed in the sky ideology that is a recipe for disaster.
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Yet another facile response that does not provide any facts to support your position.
That is what makes this thread so useless.
I don't have a position on this. I simply pointed out what your own facts said.
You've called Libertarianism Un-American. I really don't care what you think of Libertarianism as a philosophy. But it really is interesting to see someone put themselves in a position to pass judgement on something like a political philosophy and offer up no guidelines for the general classification that so adamantly defend.
Keep it up. I hope someone really gives a flying fig about what you have to say.
That you have to jump through hoops to gainsay the OP says volumes.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Quite the opposite. Every single Libertarian response in this thread proves it.
I can, and have, made a sound conservative case for why government social programs are necessary and more effective than anything ever done by the private sector.
Only in your dreams.
My biggest (and growing) concern is that people like you have feeble arguments that really carry no weight whatsoever.
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That is what makes this thread so useless.
I don't have a position on this. I simply pointed out what your own facts said.
You've called Libertarianism Un-American. I really don't care what you think of Libertarianism as a philosophy. But it really is interesting to see someone put themselves in a position to pass judgement on something like a political philosophy and offer up no guidelines for the general classification that so adamantly defend.
Keep it up. I hope someone really gives a flying fig about what you have to say.
That you have to jump through hoops to gainsay the OP says volumes.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Quite the opposite. Every single Libertarian response in this thread proves it.
I can, and have, made a sound conservative case for why government social programs are necessary and more effective than anything ever done by the private sector.
Only in your dreams.
Thank you for just proving me 100% right about the inability of Libertarians to defend their unAmerican dogma.
Thank you for continuing to prove me right that you're unable to define "un-American" in any way other than "I don't like it."219
That is what makes this thread so useless.
I don't have a position on this. I simply pointed out what your own facts said.
You've called Libertarianism Un-American. I really don't care what you think of Libertarianism as a philosophy. But it really is interesting to see someone put themselves in a position to pass judgement on something like a political philosophy and offer up no guidelines for the general classification that so adamantly defend.
Keep it up. I hope someone really gives a flying fig about what you have to say.
That you have to jump through hoops to gainsay the OP says volumes.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Quite the opposite. Every single Libertarian response in this thread proves it.
I can, and have, made a sound conservative case for why government social programs are necessary and more effective than anything ever done by the private sector.
Only in your dreams.
Thank you for just proving me 100% right about the inability of Libertarians to defend their unAmerican dogma.
Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?
Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill
The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.
Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.
The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.
Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.
Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.
Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress
While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.
The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.
It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications.
Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?
Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill
The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.
Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.
The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.
Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.
Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.
Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress
While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.
The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.
It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications.
Derideo just wants an outlet to whine about how much he dislikes libertarians.Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?
Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill
The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.
Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.
The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.
Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.
Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.
Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress
While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.
The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.
It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications.
Be nice if we did. Derideo seems to be conflating the "kick-em-when-they're-down" attitude toward the poor that many conservatives espouse with the principled, limited government ethos of libertarians.
Derideo just wants an outlet to whine about how much he dislikes libertarians.Be nice if we did. Derideo seems to be conflating the "kick-em-when-they're-down" attitude toward the poor that many conservatives espouse with the principled, limited government ethos of libertarians.
Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?
Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill
The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.
Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.
The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.
Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.
Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.
Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress
While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.
The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.
It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications.
Yes, the GOP is all about "free" markets, so long as their cronies get all the nice government contracts, peace, as long as they get to bomb bomb bomb Iran, and legalizing all drugs as long as that's understood to be only alcohol.Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?
Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill
The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.
Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.
The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.
Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.
Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.
Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress
While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.
The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.
It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications.
The GOP has embraced libertarian concepts in it's platform and is actively enacting them in state legislatures under it's control.
Just compare the Libertarian platform of the Koch bros presidential run in the 1980's to the current GOP platform and you will see what has been adopted.
Please, don't project. You can't defend your "un-American" nonsense and yet you act as though I'm supposed to be bothered refuting every crackpot post you make up next.Perhaps KK and dblack should form a Libertarian therapy group for their constant whining since they cannot refute or defend Libertarianism.
Perhaps KK and dblack should form a Libertarian therapy group for their constant whining since they cannot refute or defend Libertarianism.
Please, don't project. You can't defend your "un-American" nonsense and yet you act as though I'm supposed to be bothered refuting every crackpot post you make up next.Perhaps KK and dblack should form a Libertarian therapy group for their constant whining since they cannot refute or defend Libertarianism.
Yes, the GOP is all about "free" markets, so long as their cronies get all the nice government contracts, peace, as long as they get to bomb bomb bomb Iran, and legalizing all drugs as long as that's understood to be only alcohol.Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?
Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill
The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.
Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.
The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.
Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.
Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.
Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress
While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.
The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.
It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications.
The GOP has embraced libertarian concepts in it's platform and is actively enacting them in state legislatures under it's control.
Just compare the Libertarian platform of the Koch bros presidential run in the 1980's to the current GOP platform and you will see what has been adopted.
Oh yeah, the GOP is "libertarian" all right.
Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?
Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill
The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.
Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.
The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.
Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.
Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.
Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress
While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.
The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.
It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications.
you act as though I'm supposed to be bothered refuting every crackpot post you make up next.
Agree. The Repubs have to appease their largest donors which happen to be libertarians, among other America-last groups.Do we need more evidence that this thread belongs in the Rubber Room? Libertarians do not control the state legislatures of Missouri or Kansas.Anyone want some actual hard evidence of Libertarianism in action destroying government social welfare programs?
Missouri Senate Overrides Veto Of Welfare Restrictions Bill
The Missouri Senate voted on Monday to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that severely restricts welfare eligibility, potentially cutting benefits to thousands of low-income families.
Nixon, a Democrat, on Thursday vetoed the bill, which calls for reducing the time families may receive aid from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program from five years to three years and nine months. It also would impose strict work requirements.
The Republican-controlled state Senate voted 25-9 to override the veto the bill. The bill now goes to the Republican-dominated state House.
Nixon described the bill as "a misguided measure that punishes children." The Missouri Department of Social Services estimates the restrictions would cut benefits for more than 3,155 families, including 6,400 children.
Missouri is among states where legislators this year have considered bills that would curb welfare benefits. In Kansas, the state legislature passed a bill last month that restricts welfare recipients to withdrawing $25 a day on benefits cards, which can be used like debit cards at ATMs. They cannot use the cards at banks -- only at ATMs -- and may only spend the $25 in certain locations. Kansas is the only state limiting cash withdrawals.
Kansas To Impose Unprecedented Restriction On Welfare Recipients ThinkProgress
While one of the backers of the bill asserted that recipients could take out more at a bank counter, the cards can’t be used at counters and many poor people lack access to bank accounts given the need to maintain balances and pay fees. Seventeen million Americans are unbanked, going without formal financial products. Meanwhile, during debate over the bill state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau (D) pointed out that many recipients need to withdraw hundreds of dollars some days in order to be able to pay rent.
The bill bans welfare recipients from using their benefits or withdrawing them at movie theaters, nail salons, pools and spas, liquor stores, jewelry stores, casinos or racing facilities, tattoo and piercing parlors, cruise ships, and other locations.
It also imposes hard caps on how long recipients can get benefits. After 36 months, poor people would hit the lifetime limit and not be able to get any further benefits unless they could prove they had an extraordinary hardship such as sexual assault, in which case they could get 12 additional months. The federal lifetime limit, on the other hand, is five years. It also bans anyone with two felony drug convictions from ever getting welfare and suspends anyone who tests positive for drugs after enacting a drug testing program in 2014 that has cost $40,000 and only turned up 11 positive tests out of 2,783 applications.
The GOP has embraced libertarian concepts in it's platform and is actively enacting them in state legislatures under it's control.
Just compare the Libertarian platform of the Koch bros presidential run in the 1980's to the current GOP platform and you will see what has been adopted.
