Is man a spiritual being?

[Hollie]

Nah you just can't get there and are not sure if your missing out on something or not so you try to call yourself a winner. Its pretty sad if one wanted to dwell on it but I don't so you can think however you like because you are going to anyhow.

Taz isn’t interested in serious discussion.

Especially one that doesn’t confirm his/her bias.

I asked rod to explain himself, that was it. And just like you, nothing but fartsmoke.

The only ones blowing fartsmoke around here are you, the Sod Heb and militant atheist Jew Hollie.

My, but I have you quite rattled.

Because you’re not emotionally or intellectually prepared to participate in these discussions, perhaps you should stop.

Or, continue with your tirades.

I see it the other way around as you are the one who has sought me out.

But I am more than happy for a Jew to evangelize her faith by attacking mine. I'm not the one violating the Jewish faith's rule to not evangelize the Jewish faith.

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

 

[ding]

Taz isn’t interested in serious discussion.

Especially one that doesn’t confirm his/her bias.

I asked rod to explain himself, that was it. And just like you, nothing but fartsmoke.

The only ones blowing fartsmoke around here are you, the Sod Heb and militant atheist Jew Hollie.

My, but I have you quite rattled.

Because you’re not emotionally or intellectually prepared to participate in these discussions, perhaps you should stop.

Or, continue with your tirades.

I see it the other way around as you are the one who has sought me out.

But I am more than happy for a Jew to evangelize her faith by attacking mine. I'm not the one violating the Jewish faith's rule to not evangelize the Jewish faith.

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

 

[ding]

Taz isn’t interested in serious discussion.

Especially one that doesn’t confirm his/her bias.

I asked rod to explain himself, that was it. And just like you, nothing but fartsmoke.

The only ones blowing fartsmoke around here are you, the Sod Heb and militant atheist Jew Hollie.

My, but I have you quite rattled.

Because you’re not emotionally or intellectually prepared to participate in these discussions, perhaps you should stop.

Or, continue with your tirades.

I see it the other way around as you are the one who has sought me out.

But I am more than happy for a Jew to evangelize her faith by attacking mine. I'm not the one violating the Jewish faith's rule to not evangelize the Jewish faith.

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

We know from science that space and time had a beginning. Specifically, red shift, cosmic background radiation, Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations, quantum mechanics, the First Law of Thermodynamics, the Second Law of Thermodynamics and Inflation Theory.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation and Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations tells us that all matter and energy in the universe once occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of an atom and then began to expand and cool. The the First Law of Thermodynamics (i.e. conservation of energy) tells us that since that time matter and energy has only changed form. Which means that the atoms in our bodies were created from nothing when space and and time were created from nothing.

Red shift, cosmic background radiation, Friedmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations and the Second Law of Thermodynamics tells us that space and time did have a beginning. If the universe is expanding then it must have a beginning. If you follow it backwards in time, then any object must come to a boundary of space time. You cannot continue that history indefinitely. This is still true even if a universe has periods of contraction. It still has to have a beginning if expansion over weights the contraction. Physicists have been uncomfortable with the idea of a beginning since the work of Friedman which showed that the solutions of Einstein's equation showed that the universe had a beginning. The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. For every matter to energy or energy to matter exchange there is a loss of usable energy. So while the total energy of the universe does not decrease, the usable energy of the universe does decrease. If it is a periodic or cyclical universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium and then it will stay in that state. A cyclical universe cannot avoid this problem. Since we do not see thermal equilibrium (good thing too because there would be no life) we know that the universe did have a beginning.

Inflation Theory, the First Law of Thermodynamics and quantum mechanics tells us that it is possible for matter to have a beginning. In a closed universe the gravitational energy which is always negative exactly compensates the positive energy of matter. So the energy of a closed universe is always zero. So nothing prevents this universe from being spontaneously created. Because the net energy is always zero. The positive energy of matter is balanced by the negative energy of the gravity of that matter which is the space time curvature of that matter. There is no conservation law that prevents the formation of such a universe. In quantum mechanics if something is not forbidden by conservation laws, then it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability. So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool. In this description, the same laws that describe the evolution of the universe also describe the appearance of the universe which means that the laws were in place before the universe itself.

Chapters 1 and 2 of Genesis is the allegorical account of creation and describes that the universe was created in steps or stage or phases. Scientific evidence tells us that the universe started out as subatomic particles and very quickly formed hydrogen and helium. This is called cosmic evolution. The hydrogen and helium formed stellar structures such as galaxies. This is called stellar evolution. The supernovas of stars created all of the elements and compounds that we see through fusion. This is called chemical evolution. All of these stages or phases had to occur before inanimate matter could make the leap to life. An event we still do not fully understand although the best understanding is that it can only occur in hot, wet conditions with an atmosphere rich in certain chemical compounds. Even with these condition being present we do not know how these chemical compounds could fold themselves in just the correct sequence to create life capable of replicating itself. The amount of information required for life to replicate is staggering. But however life made this leap we know it had to begin from a single celled organism and evolved into evermore increasing complex life forms up to the point that beings that know and create eventually arose.

Chapter 1 and 2 of Genesis tells us that space and time had a beginning, that it was created in steps and that life came from inanimate matter.

 

[Hollie]

I asked rod to explain himself, that was it. And just like you, nothing but fartsmoke.

The only ones blowing fartsmoke around here are you, the Sod Heb and militant atheist Jew Hollie.

My, but I have you quite rattled.

Because you’re not emotionally or intellectually prepared to participate in these discussions, perhaps you should stop.

Or, continue with your tirades.

I see it the other way around as you are the one who has sought me out.

But I am more than happy for a Jew to evangelize her faith by attacking mine. I'm not the one violating the Jewish faith's rule to not evangelize the Jewish faith.

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

 

[ding]

The only ones blowing fartsmoke around here are you, the Sod Heb and militant atheist Jew Hollie.

My, but I have you quite rattled.

Because you’re not emotionally or intellectually prepared to participate in these discussions, perhaps you should stop.

Or, continue with your tirades.

I see it the other way around as you are the one who has sought me out.

But I am more than happy for a Jew to evangelize her faith by attacking mine. I'm not the one violating the Jewish faith's rule to not evangelize the Jewish faith.

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them in writing.

Approximately 1500 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 1500 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Chapter 1 and 2 of Genesis is the allegorical account of creation and describes that the universe was created in steps or stage or phases. Scientific evidence tells us that the universe had a beginning and started out as subatomic particles and very quickly formed hydrogen and helium. This is called cosmic evolution. The hydrogen and helium formed stellar structures such as galaxies. This is called stellar evolution. The supernovas of stars created all of the elements and compounds that we see through fusion. This is called chemical evolution. All of these stages or phases had to occur before inanimate matter could make the leap to life. An event we still do not fully understand although the best understanding is that it can only occur in hot, wet conditions with an atmosphere rich in certain chemical compounds. Even with these condition being present we do not know how these chemical compounds could fold themselves in just the correct sequence to create life capable of replicating itself. The amount of information required for life to replicate is staggering. But however life made this leap we know it had to begin from a single celled organism and evolved into evermore increasing complex life forms up to the point that beings that know and create eventually arose.

Chapter 1 and 2 of Genesis tells us that space and time had a beginning, that it was created in steps and that life came from inanimate matter.

 

[ding]

The only ones blowing fartsmoke around here are you, the Sod Heb and militant atheist Jew Hollie.

My, but I have you quite rattled.

Because you’re not emotionally or intellectually prepared to participate in these discussions, perhaps you should stop.

Or, continue with your tirades.

I see it the other way around as you are the one who has sought me out.

But I am more than happy for a Jew to evangelize her faith by attacking mine. I'm not the one violating the Jewish faith's rule to not evangelize the Jewish faith.

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

I don't say so. Cosmologists and physicists say so.

And so does the ancient text from your people. They knew 6000 years before science that the universe had a beginning.

They knew 6000 years before science that man came from dust. Star dust to be specific.

 

[Hollie]

My, but I have you quite rattled.

Because you’re not emotionally or intellectually prepared to participate in these discussions, perhaps you should stop.

Or, continue with your tirades.

I see it the other way around as you are the one who has sought me out.

But I am more than happy for a Jew to evangelize her faith by attacking mine. I'm not the one violating the Jewish faith's rule to not evangelize the Jewish faith.

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them in writing.

Approximately 1500 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 1500 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Chapter 1 and 2 of Genesis is the allegorical account of creation and describes that the universe was created in steps or stage or phases. Scientific evidence tells us that the universe had a beginning and started out as subatomic particles and very quickly formed hydrogen and helium. This is called cosmic evolution. The hydrogen and helium formed stellar structures such as galaxies. This is called stellar evolution. The supernovas of stars created all of the elements and compounds that we see through fusion. This is called chemical evolution. All of these stages or phases had to occur before inanimate matter could make the leap to life. An event we still do not fully understand although the best understanding is that it can only occur in hot, wet conditions with an atmosphere rich in certain chemical compounds. Even with these condition being present we do not know how these chemical compounds could fold themselves in just the correct sequence to create life capable of replicating itself. The amount of information required for life to replicate is staggering. But however life made this leap we know it had to begin from a single celled organism and evolved into evermore increasing complex life forms up to the point that beings that know and create eventually arose.

Chapter 1 and 2 of Genesis tells us that space and time had a beginning, that it was created in steps and that life came from inanimate matter.

You’re getting quite frantic, Cutting and pasting the same cut and paste paragraphs is rather desperate.


It’s really an admission that the Bibles are stolen both from the Chinese and from Jewish theology.

But the, you knew that, right?

 

[Hollie]

My, but I have you quite rattled.

Because you’re not emotionally or intellectually prepared to participate in these discussions, perhaps you should stop.

Or, continue with your tirades.

I see it the other way around as you are the one who has sought me out.

But I am more than happy for a Jew to evangelize her faith by attacking mine. I'm not the one violating the Jewish faith's rule to not evangelize the Jewish faith.

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

I don't say so. Cosmologists and physicists say so.

And so does the ancient text from your people. They knew 6000 years before science that the universe had a beginning.

They knew 6000 years before science that man came from dust. Star dust to be specific.

Why am I not surprised that your “science” comes from YouTube videos?

Anything from Henry Morris you would like to dump into the thread?

 

[ding]

Similarly, Bar Ilan University’s Professor Nathan Aviezer, author of the book In the Beginning, told The Times of Israel, this discovery “isn’t going to make anyone who wasn’t a believer in God into one, or vice versa, but one thing the announcement does do is make it clear that the universe had a definite starting point — a creation — as described in the Book of Genesis,” said Aviezer. “To deny this now is to deny scientific fact.”

“Without addressing who or what caused it, the mechanics of the creation process in the Big Bang match the Genesis story perfectly. If I had to make up a theory to match the first passages in Genesis, the Big Bang theory would be it,” said Aviezer.

“It’s an example of Divine irony that it took atheistic scientists like [Nobel laureate Paul] Dirac and all the others to point out the truth of the Torah. At this point I think we can say that creation is a scientific fact.”

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

 

[ding]

I see it the other way around as you are the one who has sought me out.

But I am more than happy for a Jew to evangelize her faith by attacking mine. I'm not the one violating the Jewish faith's rule to not evangelize the Jewish faith.

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

The first five books of the Bible (known as the Torah) were written by Moses - an adopted son of the king of Egypt - in approximately 1400 B.C.. These five books focus on the beginning of the nation of Israel; but the first 11 chapters of the Torah records the history that all nations have in common. These allegorical accounts of the history of the world had been passed down from generation to generation orally for thousands of years. Moses did not write the first 11 chapters of the Bible. Moses was the first Hebrew to record them in writing.

Approximately 1500 years before Moses recorded the allegorical accounts of the history of the world. The Chinese recorded this history as symbols in the Chinese language. They drew pictures to express words or ideas. Simple pictures were combined to make more complex thoughts. They used well known history and common everyday things to make a word so people could easily remember it. The account of Genesis found it's way into the Chinese written language because the Chinese had migrated from the cradle of civilization. Prior to this migration they all shared a common history and religion.

The Bible even explains how it was possible for the Chinese to record the account of Genesis 1500 years before Moses recorded it. The account of the Tower of Babel was the allegorical account of the great migration from Mesopotamia. This also explains why all ancient cultures have an account of a great flood. Because they all shared a common history and religion before the great migration from the cradle of civilization.

Chapter 1 and 2 of Genesis is the allegorical account of creation and describes that the universe was created in steps or stage or phases. Scientific evidence tells us that the universe had a beginning and started out as subatomic particles and very quickly formed hydrogen and helium. This is called cosmic evolution. The hydrogen and helium formed stellar structures such as galaxies. This is called stellar evolution. The supernovas of stars created all of the elements and compounds that we see through fusion. This is called chemical evolution. All of these stages or phases had to occur before inanimate matter could make the leap to life. An event we still do not fully understand although the best understanding is that it can only occur in hot, wet conditions with an atmosphere rich in certain chemical compounds. Even with these condition being present we do not know how these chemical compounds could fold themselves in just the correct sequence to create life capable of replicating itself. The amount of information required for life to replicate is staggering. But however life made this leap we know it had to begin from a single celled organism and evolved into evermore increasing complex life forms up to the point that beings that know and create eventually arose.

Chapter 1 and 2 of Genesis tells us that space and time had a beginning, that it was created in steps and that life came from inanimate matter.

You’re getting quite frantic, Cutting and pasting the same cut and paste paragraphs is rather desperate.


It’s really an admission that the Bibles are stolen both from the Chinese and from Jewish theology.

But the, you knew that, right?

You do realize I am quoting and defending the Torah and you are attacking it, right?

 

[ding]

I see it the other way around as you are the one who has sought me out.

But I am more than happy for a Jew to evangelize her faith by attacking mine. I'm not the one violating the Jewish faith's rule to not evangelize the Jewish faith.

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

I don't say so. Cosmologists and physicists say so.

And so does the ancient text from your people. They knew 6000 years before science that the universe had a beginning.

They knew 6000 years before science that man came from dust. Star dust to be specific.

Why am I not surprised that your “science” comes from YouTube videos?

Anything from Henry Morris you would like to dump into the thread?

You'd have to actually watch it first before you could logically dismiss it. The time stamps prove you never actually watched it. It's a 45 minute long discussion by a world renowned physicist to a room full of world renowned physicists.

I know you think you are arguing with me, but you are really arguing with them.

 

[Hollie]

So I’m guessing that you now realize there is no indication that the laws of nature (as we know them) existed before time and space. For that matter, there is no consensus in science that the major disruption in matter and energy we call the Big Bang actually begat time and space.

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

I don't say so. Cosmologists and physicists say so.

And so does the ancient text from your people. They knew 6000 years before science that the universe had a beginning.

They knew 6000 years before science that man came from dust. Star dust to be specific.

Why am I not surprised that your “science” comes from YouTube videos?

Anything from Henry Morris you would like to dump into the thread?

You'd have to actually watch it first before you could logically dismiss it. The time stamps prove you never actually watched it. It's a 45 minute long discussion by a world renowned physicist to a room full of world renowned physicists.

You would actually have to be silly to suggest a YouTube video is a comprehensive consensus on science.

We’re still left with nothing in your long cutting and pasting that offers any suggestion that the gods had any supernatural hand in existence.

The Discovery Institute or perhaps some other of the fundamentalist creation ministries may have some YouTube videos.

Thrill us, won’t you?

 

[ding]

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

I don't say so. Cosmologists and physicists say so.

And so does the ancient text from your people. They knew 6000 years before science that the universe had a beginning.

They knew 6000 years before science that man came from dust. Star dust to be specific.

Why am I not surprised that your “science” comes from YouTube videos?

Anything from Henry Morris you would like to dump into the thread?

You'd have to actually watch it first before you could logically dismiss it. The time stamps prove you never actually watched it. It's a 45 minute long discussion by a world renowned physicist to a room full of world renowned physicists.

You would actually have to be silly to suggest a YouTube video is a comprehensive consensus on science.

We’re still left with nothing in your long cutting and pasting that offers any suggestion that the gods had any supernatural hand in existence.

The Discovery Institute or perhaps some other of the fundamentalist creation ministries may have some YouTube videos.

Thrill us, won’t you?

You would actually have had to watch it to know it is the comprehensive consensus on science. But let me offer you another expert testimony that it is a comprehensive consensus in science....

Today – even before Monday’s revelations – you’d be hard-pressed to find a scientist who disputed the Big Bang theory; it’s the only one that makes scientific sense, said Professor Tsvi Piran, Schwartzmann University Chair at Hebrew University’s Racah Institute of Physics.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

There are only two possibilities. Either spirit created the material world or spirit did not create the material world. If spirit did not create the material world you will have a hard time proving that matter and energy existed before space and time. If spirit created the material world, that problem goes away. Why? Because it is not possible for matter and energy to exist forever without reaching thermal equilibrium. The only thing which can be eternal and unchanging is no thing. As in no material thing. So logic informs our answers and since the material world was created following the laws of nature (also something which is no thing) the best answer, however hard it is for you to swallow, is that the material world was created by spirit.

 

[ding]

No. I don't realize that. Before space and time the laws of nature existed. All of them; physical, biological and moral.

Are you going to evangelize your Jewish faith some more?

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

I don't say so. Cosmologists and physicists say so.

And so does the ancient text from your people. They knew 6000 years before science that the universe had a beginning.

They knew 6000 years before science that man came from dust. Star dust to be specific.

Why am I not surprised that your “science” comes from YouTube videos?

Anything from Henry Morris you would like to dump into the thread?

You'd have to actually watch it first before you could logically dismiss it. The time stamps prove you never actually watched it. It's a 45 minute long discussion by a world renowned physicist to a room full of world renowned physicists.

You would actually have to be silly to suggest a YouTube video is a comprehensive consensus on science.

We’re still left with nothing in your long cutting and pasting that offers any suggestion that the gods had any supernatural hand in existence.

The Discovery Institute or perhaps some other of the fundamentalist creation ministries may have some YouTube videos.

Thrill us, won’t you?

Here is expert testimony from CERN. You know who CERN is, right?

According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

The universe began, scientists believe, with every speck of its energy jammed into a very tiny point. This extremely dense point exploded with unimaginable force, creating matter and propelling it outward to make the billions of galaxies of our vast universe. Astrophysicists dubbed this titanic explosion the Big Bang.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

 

[ding]

The Discovery Institute or perhaps some other of the fundamentalist creation ministries may have some YouTube videos.

Why would I need to do that? I have already provided expert testimony in my support.

What is it that you have provided in support of your position?

 

[Hollie]

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

I don't say so. Cosmologists and physicists say so.

And so does the ancient text from your people. They knew 6000 years before science that the universe had a beginning.

They knew 6000 years before science that man came from dust. Star dust to be specific.

Why am I not surprised that your “science” comes from YouTube videos?

Anything from Henry Morris you would like to dump into the thread?

You'd have to actually watch it first before you could logically dismiss it. The time stamps prove you never actually watched it. It's a 45 minute long discussion by a world renowned physicist to a room full of world renowned physicists.

You would actually have to be silly to suggest a YouTube video is a comprehensive consensus on science.

We’re still left with nothing in your long cutting and pasting that offers any suggestion that the gods had any supernatural hand in existence.

The Discovery Institute or perhaps some other of the fundamentalist creation ministries may have some YouTube videos.

Thrill us, won’t you?

You would actually have had to watch it to know it is the comprehensive consensus on science. But let me offer you another expert testimony that it is a comprehensive consensus in science....

Today – even before Monday’s revelations – you’d be hard-pressed to find a scientist who disputed the Big Bang theory; it’s the only one that makes scientific sense, said Professor Tsvi Piran, Schwartzmann University Chair at Hebrew University’s Racah Institute of Physics.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

There are only two possibilities. Either spirit created the material world or spirit did not create the material world. If spirit did not create the material world you will have a hard time proving that matter and energy existed before space and time. If spirit created the material world, that problem goes away. Why? Because it is not possible for matter and energy to exist forever without reaching thermal equilibrium. The only thing which can be eternal and unchanging is no thing. As in no material thing. So logic informs our answers and since the material world was created following the laws of nature (also something which is no thing) the best answer, however hard it is for you to swallow, is that the material world was created by spirit.

I don’t think appeals to spirit worlds, supernaturalism and other things that go bump in the night are really helpful.

 

[Hollie]

I’m not impressed with your “.... because I say so”, arguments.

Nothing in the various bibles supports your statement so are we to assume you have nvented a new, fancy, designer religion?

I don't say so. Cosmologists and physicists say so.

And so does the ancient text from your people. They knew 6000 years before science that the universe had a beginning.

They knew 6000 years before science that man came from dust. Star dust to be specific.

Why am I not surprised that your “science” comes from YouTube videos?

Anything from Henry Morris you would like to dump into the thread?

You'd have to actually watch it first before you could logically dismiss it. The time stamps prove you never actually watched it. It's a 45 minute long discussion by a world renowned physicist to a room full of world renowned physicists.

You would actually have to be silly to suggest a YouTube video is a comprehensive consensus on science.

We’re still left with nothing in your long cutting and pasting that offers any suggestion that the gods had any supernatural hand in existence.

The Discovery Institute or perhaps some other of the fundamentalist creation ministries may have some YouTube videos.

Thrill us, won’t you?

Here is expert testimony from CERN. You know who CERN is, right?

According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

The universe began, scientists believe, with every speck of its energy jammed into a very tiny point. This extremely dense point exploded with unimaginable force, creating matter and propelling it outward to make the billions of galaxies of our vast universe. Astrophysicists dubbed this titanic explosion the Big Bang.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

Did you realize that link actually contradicts your earlier claims?

 

[sealybobo]

Seriously what better cover is there for a militant atheist Jew than to disguise himself as believing in God so he can subordinate Christianity.

lol...


What I am actually doing is showing the only rational way to interpret the fantastical claims of scripture that conforms to and is confirmed by reality, the only rational way to interpret the irrational things that Christians already profess to believe, the only rational way to interpret the nutty things that Jesus said, the only rational way to understand and conform to divine law that fulfills the promise of life.

In the process the antichrist, unleashed on the world in 325 c.e. by Rome, will be completely destroyed.

You got a problem with that?

You are making a critical theory argument. You are stating what you believe it isn’t. Not what you believe it is. If you were to state what you believe it is, then you would reveal exactly what I have been saying. You are a militant atheist Jew.

How can I have a problem? I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

OK, let me get this straight. I show you how what you profess to believe is in error and then show you what is right regarding the subjects of miracles, the virgin birth, the resurrection, divine law etc. I show you how eucharistic adoration is idolatry, I show you how bread from heaven became flesh, a metaphor for teaching from God which is the actual body of Christ.

And you act like I have never stated my beliefs? All you have to say for yourself is that I am a militant atheist Jew.

You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you ? When is he going to help you to be honest?

A matzo is your source of spiritual life because you have faith and I don't? Really? You're a spiritual person?

You're not not just a liar?

That is correct. You don’t have beliefs. You have arguments against my beliefs. It’s your mission.

Well when you come at us with your unfounded beliefs we can either believe too, doubt you or spear you like those Indians on those islands speared that missionary who wouldn’t take go away seriously.

 

[ding]

I don't say so. Cosmologists and physicists say so.

And so does the ancient text from your people. They knew 6000 years before science that the universe had a beginning.

They knew 6000 years before science that man came from dust. Star dust to be specific.

Why am I not surprised that your “science” comes from YouTube videos?

Anything from Henry Morris you would like to dump into the thread?

You'd have to actually watch it first before you could logically dismiss it. The time stamps prove you never actually watched it. It's a 45 minute long discussion by a world renowned physicist to a room full of world renowned physicists.

You would actually have to be silly to suggest a YouTube video is a comprehensive consensus on science.

We’re still left with nothing in your long cutting and pasting that offers any suggestion that the gods had any supernatural hand in existence.

The Discovery Institute or perhaps some other of the fundamentalist creation ministries may have some YouTube videos.

Thrill us, won’t you?

Here is expert testimony from CERN. You know who CERN is, right?

According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

The universe began, scientists believe, with every speck of its energy jammed into a very tiny point. This extremely dense point exploded with unimaginable force, creating matter and propelling it outward to make the billions of galaxies of our vast universe. Astrophysicists dubbed this titanic explosion the Big Bang.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium

Did you realize that link actually contradicts your earlier claims?

No. Because it doesn't.

 

[sealybobo]

I don't say so. Cosmologists and physicists say so.

And so does the ancient text from your people. They knew 6000 years before science that the universe had a beginning.

They knew 6000 years before science that man came from dust. Star dust to be specific.

Why am I not surprised that your “science” comes from YouTube videos?

Anything from Henry Morris you would like to dump into the thread?

You'd have to actually watch it first before you could logically dismiss it. The time stamps prove you never actually watched it. It's a 45 minute long discussion by a world renowned physicist to a room full of world renowned physicists.

You would actually have to be silly to suggest a YouTube video is a comprehensive consensus on science.

We’re still left with nothing in your long cutting and pasting that offers any suggestion that the gods had any supernatural hand in existence.

The Discovery Institute or perhaps some other of the fundamentalist creation ministries may have some YouTube videos.

Thrill us, won’t you?

You would actually have had to watch it to know it is the comprehensive consensus on science. But let me offer you another expert testimony that it is a comprehensive consensus in science....

Today – even before Monday’s revelations – you’d be hard-pressed to find a scientist who disputed the Big Bang theory; it’s the only one that makes scientific sense, said Professor Tsvi Piran, Schwartzmann University Chair at Hebrew University’s Racah Institute of Physics.

New Big Bang evidence supports Biblical creation, says Orthodox physicist

There are only two possibilities. Either spirit created the material world or spirit did not create the material world. If spirit did not create the material world you will have a hard time proving that matter and energy existed before space and time. If spirit created the material world, that problem goes away. Why? Because it is not possible for matter and energy to exist forever without reaching thermal equilibrium. The only thing which can be eternal and unchanging is no thing. As in no material thing. So logic informs our answers and since the material world was created following the laws of nature (also something which is no thing) the best answer, however hard it is for you to swallow, is that the material world was created by spirit.

I don’t think appeals to spirit worlds, supernaturalism and other things that go bump in the night are really helpful.

That fear of the unknown served us well when tigers and bears were hunting us while we slept. It comforted everyone to know grandmother was going to join granddaddy