Is obama a socilist, or a fascist?

You SAY that I did not give credible, objective evidence, even though I did. And since you were totally unable to show how my evidence was not credible or objective and have never offered a shred of your own evidence in rebuttal, I will stand by my original opinion. You are not interested in anything other than disrupting the thread. And that's okay. Everybody has to have a hobby.

Agree,
but expect to see more of their kind and their radical ideas
and poor attempts to disrupt threads...
until Papa Obama loses this election to Romney.

Plus
History is not their forte
Just poor attempts to rewrite it ...
They tend to be 'falsifiers', as you can see here
where one got caught in the act...


The Night of the Long Knives, where Fascists killed Fascists
or
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact
Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Soviet Union
Soviet Union invaded Poland from the East
Soviets killed more innocent people than Nazi Germany, ever did

History, like Truth, is the worst enemy of the Left and their sub par side kicks
concern trolls


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It is true that the godless Russians, emulating the very worst of Marxism, did murder many millions. Depending on what historical source you consult, the U.S.S.R murdered between 20 and 80+ million or more people. Would Hitler, who embraced a doctrine of facism that differed from Marxism in that the government controlled the economy rather than owning it, have done as much violence had he not been stopped? That is difficult to say, but he sured seemed to be well on his way.

One has to give Eisenhower his props for holding together such a diverse coalition of Allies whether that meant soothing the egos of prima donna generals or appeasing Russian sensibilities in a tenuous and uneasy alliance. There is no denying however, that at least in Europe, those of the Axis who surrendered scrambled to surrender to us rather than to anybody else. And that included the Germans. That alone says a great deal about America and Americans.

I have often wondered how much differently the war would have gone if say General Patton had been the allied commander rather than Eisenhower. Once Germany surrendered, and since we were already there, he proposed that we should go ahead and take out the Russians while we had the chance. One can only wonder that if he had his way, and had prevailed, how many million lives would have been saved. But I digress.

There simply is no nation that exists that has adopted Marxist concepts that has not severely suppressed human rights and that has not engaged in terror, torture, and murder to do it. If for no other reason, that should be sufficient to keep Americans alert, wise, and resistant to Marxist concepts. And that is a big reason many regard Obama, who has embraced some Marxist concepts, warily.

communism or some socialist/statist variants have murdered more
people than any other political system...

one can understand why the Left tries to hide from it by distorting history

Peter Drucker
"the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."


No doubt we will see more poor attempts by the Left and their sycophants, the concern trolls,
to distort the truth.

Sad thing is,,,
the extreme Left thinks they will get it "correct", this time....
 
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Peter Drucker? You might as qualify yourself as an expert, Concerned NeoTroll.

:eusa_whistle: Come here, NeoTroll, now!
 
Not a coward. Just somebody probably paid to make Obama look good or derail any threads that might make Obama look less than good. (I wish I could find a job like that for somebody other than Obama.) He won't respond to anything you ask of him but he will keep asking the same questions so long as they are effective in derailing the discussion. Otherwise he resorts to personal insults designed to start a food fight.

It is futile to answer his questions though. I used to take that bait. I've provided detailed definitions for socialism and Marxism probably several times over now and none were ever acknowledged. The definitions were ignored and were followed by more personal insults.

The scroll wheel on your mouse is the best remedy for all that. He's basically a good guy who is doing what he has to do. :)

Could be.

He sure ran and hid when I started a thread in the CDZ for us to debate Marxism in. I even PM's an invitation to him.

Catzshit did the same hiding act when I challenged her.
 
I will link the rest of the article in a while, but I'd like to see discussion on this much of it, before I attribute it.

Politically, it is heads-I-win when things go right, and tails-you-lose when things go wrong. This is far preferable, from Obama's point of view, since it gives him a variety of scapegoats for all his failed policies, without having to use President Bush as a scapegoat all the time.

Government ownership of the means of production means that politicians also own the consequences of their policies, and have to face responsibility when those consequences are disastrous -- something that Barack Obama avoids like the plague.

Thus the Obama administration can arbitrarily force insurance companies to cover the children of their customers until the children are 26 years old. Obviously, this creates favorable publicity for President Obama. But if this and other government edicts cause insurance premiums to rise, then that is something that can be blamed on the "greed" of the insurance companies.

The same principle, or lack of principle, applies to many other privately owned businesses. It is a very successful political ploy that can be adapted to all sorts of situations.

One of the reasons why both pro-Obama and anti-Obama observers may be reluctant to see him as fascist is that both tend to accept the prevailing notion that fascism is on the political right, while it is obvious that Obama is on the political left.

Back in the 1920s, however, when fascism was a new political development, it was widely -- and correctly -- regarded as being on the political left. Jonah Goldberg's great book "Liberal Fascism" cites overwhelming evidence of the fascists' consistent pursuit of the goals of the left, and of the left's embrace of the fascists as one of their own during the 1920s.

Mussolini, the originator of fascism, was lionized by the left, both in Europe and in America, during the 1920s. Even Hitler, who adopted fascist ideas in the 1920s, was seen by some, including W.E.B. Du Bois, as a man of the left.
Obama is neither! Are you an idiot, or a dummy? Are you a has-been, or a never-was? What a dumbass thread! You really should do a little homework on the terms you plan to use, so you know what they are before using them in a debate and come off looking like a tea bagger with mis-spelled racist signs on national TV.

Fascism is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to unify their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people through national identity. Fascism seeks to eradicate perceived foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture. Fascism asserts that national self-determination requires the allowance for territorial expansion and imperialism as being a necessity for nations growing in numerical, economic, and spiritual strength.
The only thing close to Obama in that entire definition, is his neocon foreign policy agenda. Domestically, not even on the same planet.

And none of that has anything to do with liberalism, idiot!

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on the ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and a right to life, liberty, and property.
Liberalism is the opposite of fascism. And so is socialism.

Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, and a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous state enterprises.
We obviously have some social programs like Medicare and Social Security, need them to build infrastructure, but that's about it. And all of that was in place before Obama took office. Obama is NOT a liberal President. He does NOT have liberal policies. However, fascism is definately a right wing ideology. Liberals do not believe in "territorial expansion and imperialism".
Fascism asserts that national self-determination requires the allowance for territorial expansion and imperialism as being a necessity for nations growing in numerical, economic, and spiritual strength
Those are right wing traits.
 
Uncensored cowardly would not define marxism, yet wanted to talk about it. He lost the thread early on.

Not a coward. Just somebody probably paid to make Obama look good or derail any threads that might make Obama look less than good. (I wish I could find a job like that for somebody other than Obama.) He won't respond to anything you ask of him but he will keep asking the same questions so long as they are effective in derailing the discussion. Otherwise he resorts to personal insults designed to start a food fight.

It is futile to answer his questions though. I used to take that bait. I've provided detailed definitions for socialism and Marxism probably several times over now and none were ever acknowledged. The definitions were ignored and were followed by more personal insults.

The scroll wheel on your mouse is the best remedy for all that. He's basically a good guy who is doing what he has to do. :)

Could be.

He sure ran and hid when I started a thread in the CDZ for us to debate Marxism in. I even PM's an invitation to him.

Catzshit did the same hiding act when I challenged her.
 
Uncensored cowardly would not define marxism, yet wanted to talk about it. He lost the thread early on.

Jakematters, you lying and cowardly little shit.

The boy just can't help it.....

Falsifying information/ facts is one of the hallmarks of
'Concern trolls'
as we can see here
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Here boy
:eusa_whistle:
 
I am waiting, Uncensored. You would not define marxism before and how it applies to the president.

I have asked you several times in at least three venues.

If you can't do the basic affirmation, then you have fail.
 

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