Is Obamacare anti American???

[edthecynic]

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance."(Declaration of Independence)


An analysis released yesterday by Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee estimates that 16,500 IRS agents will need to be hired to meet the expanded authority granted the IRS.[under Obamacare]

Again we see the complete stupidity and gullibility of the Misinformation Voter. That 16,000 number was fabricated by the GOP and fed to the most stupid people on Earth, who swallowed it whole. Ron Paul went so far as to say the 16,000 would be ARMED agents. With 1.6 billion bullets no doubt!

By the way, that GOP scripted lie was fabricated in 2010, before the ACA went into effect. Now that the law has started we have the actual number of IRS agents hired as a result of the law, a total of 291. That's right, 291 agents were exaggerated into 16,000 agents by the GOP and there are people stupid enough to still parrot the 16,000 figure in a public forum after the actual number is known!!!!

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster by any imaginable standards and so far far exceeds the evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

CBO Director Elmendorf, March 11: CBO has not completed an estimate of all of the discretionary costs that would be associated with H.R. 3590. … uch costs would probably include an estimated $5 billion to $10 billion over 10 years for administrative costs of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

And now we see how the GOP can lie with statistics. They take an incomplete CBO, not IRS, estimate and change "administrative costs" to "AGENTS" and then divide those "administrative costs" by the 2009 salary of an IRS agent, assuming no desk, chair, computer, phone, raise, etc. over those 10 years for those "agents" to get their 16,000 lie, something only the stupidest of Misinformation Voters would be gullible enough to swallow.

Back in 2010 the IRS gave their own estimate of the number of agents they would need, which was 300.

BTW, we have the administration costs for the implementation of the ACA in 2012, $473 million.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Thank God, Obamacare is constitutional, therefore it's Americanism. I was worried that the posters would find it was unconstititional, therefore unAmerican, but the poster came through once again. Another problem cleared up.

what????????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Again we see the complete stupidity and gullibility of the Misinformation Voter. That 16,000 number was fabricated by the GOP and fed to the most stupid people on Earth, who swallowed it whole. Ron Paul went so far as to say the 16,000 would be ARMED agents. With 1.6 billion bullets no doubt!

By the way, that GOP scripted lie was fabricated in 2010, before the ACA went into effect. Now that the law has started we have the actual number of IRS agents hired as a result of the law, a total of 291. That's right, 291 agents were exaggerated into 16,000 agents by the GOP and there are people stupid enough to still parrot the 16,000 figure in a public forum after the actual number is known!!!!

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster by any imaginable standards and so far far exceeds the evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

CBO Director Elmendorf, March 11: CBO has not completed an estimate of all of the discretionary costs that would be associated with H.R. 3590. … uch costs would probably include an estimated $5 billion to $10 billion over 10 years for administrative costs of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

And now we see how the GOP can lie with statistics. They take an incomplete CBO, not IRS, estimate and change "administrative costs" to "AGENTS" and then divide those "administrative costs" by the 2009 salary of an IRS agent, assuming no desk, chair, computer, phone, raise, etc. over those 10 years for those "agents" to get their 16,000 lie, something only the stupidest of Misinformation Voters would be gullible enough to swallow.

Back in 2010 the IRS gave their own estimate of the number of agents they would need, which was 300.

BTW, we have the administration costs for the implementation of the ACA in 2012, $473 million.

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster which by any imaginable standards far far exceeds the lliberal evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Why not move to Cuba??

 

[edthecynic]

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster by any imaginable standards and so far far exceeds the evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

CBO Director Elmendorf, March 11: CBO has not completed an estimate of all of the discretionary costs that would be associated with H.R. 3590. … uch costs would probably include an estimated $5 billion to $10 billion over 10 years for administrative costs of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

And now we see how the GOP can lie with statistics. They take an incomplete CBO, not IRS, estimate and change "administrative costs" to "AGENTS" and then divide those "administrative costs" by the 2009 salary of an IRS agent, assuming no desk, chair, computer, phone, raise, etc. over those 10 years for those "agents" to get their 16,000 lie, something only the stupidest of Misinformation Voters would be gullible enough to swallow.

Back in 2010 the IRS gave their own estimate of the number of agents they would need, which was 300.

BTW, we have the administration costs for the implementation of the ACA in 2012, $473 million.

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster which by any imaginable standards far far exceeds the lliberal evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Why not move to Cuba??

The Misinformation Voter can only mindlessly parrot their programming over and over.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And now we see how the GOP can lie with statistics. They take an incomplete CBO, not IRS, estimate and change "administrative costs" to "AGENTS" and then divide those "administrative costs" by the 2009 salary of an IRS agent, assuming no desk, chair, computer, phone, raise, etc. over those 10 years for those "agents" to get their 16,000 lie, something only the stupidest of Misinformation Voters would be gullible enough to swallow.

Back in 2010 the IRS gave their own estimate of the number of agents they would need, which was 300.

BTW, we have the administration costs for the implementation of the ACA in 2012, $473 million.

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster which by any imaginable standards far far exceeds the lliberal evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Why not move to Cuba??

The Misinformation Voter can only mindlessly parrot their programming over and over.

dear, if you think the ACA 2700 page monster with $5-$10 billion for the IRS is consistent with the Declaration of Independence please say why or admit you as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to do so.

 

[regent]

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster by any imaginable standards and so far far exceeds the evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

CBO Director Elmendorf, March 11: CBO has not completed an estimate of all of the discretionary costs that would be associated with H.R. 3590. … uch costs would probably include an estimated $5 billion to $10 billion over 10 years for administrative costs of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).

And now we see how the GOP can lie with statistics. They take an incomplete CBO, not IRS, estimate and change "administrative costs" to "AGENTS" and then divide those "administrative costs" by the 2009 salary of an IRS agent, assuming no desk, chair, computer, phone, raise, etc. over those 10 years for those "agents" to get their 16,000 lie, something only the stupidest of Misinformation Voters would be gullible enough to swallow.

Back in 2010 the IRS gave their own estimate of the number of agents they would need, which was 300.

BTW, we have the administration costs for the implementation of the ACA in 2012, $473 million.

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster which by any imaginable standards far far exceeds the lliberal evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Why not move to Cuba??

Yep, Obamacare is a law, and will be changed many times in the coming years, as was, and is, Social Security, whereas the Declaration was a form of propaganda.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And now we see how the GOP can lie with statistics. They take an incomplete CBO, not IRS, estimate and change "administrative costs" to "AGENTS" and then divide those "administrative costs" by the 2009 salary of an IRS agent, assuming no desk, chair, computer, phone, raise, etc. over those 10 years for those "agents" to get their 16,000 lie, something only the stupidest of Misinformation Voters would be gullible enough to swallow.

Back in 2010 the IRS gave their own estimate of the number of agents they would need, which was 300.

BTW, we have the administration costs for the implementation of the ACA in 2012, $473 million.

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster which by any imaginable standards far far exceeds the lliberal evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Why not move to Cuba??

Yep, Obamacare is a law, and will be changed many times in the coming years, as was, and is, Social Security, whereas the Declaration was a form of propaganda.

typical libturd scum attacking the most sacred American documents that created the county that saved civilization on earth 10 times over.
Its no wonder that our treasonous liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and gave Stalin the bomb!!

 

[edthecynic]

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster which by any imaginable standards far far exceeds the lliberal evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Why not move to Cuba??

The Misinformation Voter can only mindlessly parrot their programming over and over.

dear, if you think the ACA 2700 page monster with $5-$10 billion for the IRS is consistent with the Declaration of Independence please say why or admit you as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to do so.

Child, don't change the subject, you were stupid enough to swallow the GOP's lie about 16,000 IRS agents and then make a fool of yourself by mindlessly parroting it on a public forum well after it had been debunked.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The Misinformation Voter can only mindlessly parrot their programming over and over.

dear, if you think the ACA 2700 page monster with $5-$10 billion for the IRS is consistent with the Declaration of Independence please say why or admit you as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to do so.

Child, don't change the subject, you were stupid enough to swallow the GOP's lie about 16,000 IRS agents and then make a fool of yourself by mindlessly parroting it on a public forum well after it had been debunked.

dear, what made you think the subject was how many IRS agents ACA would require????????

You badly wanted it to be the subject because you thought you could score your first point on it but only a fool or liberal would claim it was the subject. What do you think the IRS will do with the $5-10 billion? Is 2700 page socialist bill consistent with Declaration?? Yes or No??


See why we say a liberal will be slow.

 

[regent]

Dear, The Affordable Care Act is a 2700 page government monster which by any imaginable standards far far exceeds the lliberal evils mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Why not move to Cuba??

Yep, Obamacare is a law, and will be changed many times in the coming years, as was, and is, Social Security, whereas the Declaration was a form of propaganda.

typical libturd scum attacking the most sacred American documents that created the county that saved civilization on earth 10 times over.
Its no wonder that our treasonous liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and gave Stalin the bomb!![/QUOTE


Might look up the history and use of "propaganda."
Let's start with basics: what was the purpose of the Declaration of Independence? Harder questions later.

 

[edthecynic]

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance."(Declaration of Independence)


An analysis released yesterday by Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee estimates that 16,500 IRS agents will need to be hired to meet the expanded authority granted the IRS.[under Obamacare]

Child, don't change the subject, you were stupid enough to swallow the GOP's lie about 16,000 IRS agents and then make a fool of yourself by mindlessly parroting it on a public forum well after it had been debunked.

dear, what made you think the subject was how many IRS agents ACA would require????????

You badly wanted it to be the subject because you thought you could score your first point on it but only a fool or liberal would claim it was the subject. What do you think the IRS will do with the $5-10 billion? Is 2700 page socialist bill consistent with Declaration?? Yes or No??


See why we say a liberal will be slow.

Too stupid, but 100% CON$ervative.

YOU made it the subject in YOUR OP, child!!!
See why the CON$ervoFascist is slower than slow!!!

Only an would deny it was the subject of the OP and try to change the subject to the $5-10 billion INCOMPLETE CBO ESTIMATE for "ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS" not IRS agents, which it turns out is far less than $5-10 billion in practice.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance."(Declaration of Independence)


An analysis released yesterday by Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee estimates that 16,500 IRS agents will need to be hired to meet the expanded authority granted the IRS.[under Obamacare]

Child, don't change the subject, you were stupid enough to swallow the GOP's lie about 16,000 IRS agents and then make a fool of yourself by mindlessly parroting it on a public forum well after it had been debunked.

dear, what made you think the subject was how many IRS agents ACA would require????????

You badly wanted it to be the subject because you thought you could score your first point on it but only a fool or liberal would claim it was the subject. What do you think the IRS will do with the $5-10 billion? Is 2700 page socialist bill consistent with Declaration?? Yes or No??


See why we say a liberal will be slow.

Too stupid, but 100% CON$ervative.

YOU made it the subject in YOUR OP, child!!!
See why the CON$ervoFascist is slower than slow!!!

Only an would deny it was the subject of the OP and try to change the subject to the $5-10 billion INCOMPLETE CBO ESTIMATE for "ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS" not IRS agents, which it turns out is far less than $5-10 billion in practice.

for 3rd time:
What do you think the IRS will do with the $5-10 billion?(maybe hire girl scouts??) Is 2700 page socialist bill consistent with Declaration?? Yes or No??

 

[edthecynic]

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance."(Declaration of Independence)


An analysis released yesterday by Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee estimates that 16,500 IRS agents will need to be hired to meet the expanded authority granted the IRS.[under Obamacare]

dear, what made you think the subject was how many IRS agents ACA would require????????

You badly wanted it to be the subject because you thought you could score your first point on it but only a fool or liberal would claim it was the subject. What do you think the IRS will do with the $5-10 billion? Is 2700 page socialist bill consistent with Declaration?? Yes or No??


See why we say a liberal will be slow.

Too stupid, but 100% CON$ervative.

YOU made it the subject in YOUR OP, child!!!
See why the CON$ervoFascist is slower than slow!!!

Only an would deny it was the subject of the OP and try to change the subject to the $5-10 billion INCOMPLETE CBO ESTIMATE for "ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS" not IRS agents, which it turns out is far less than $5-10 billion in practice.

for 3rd time:
What do you think the IRS will do with the $5-10 billion?(maybe hire girl scouts??) Is 2700 page socialist bill consistent with Declaration?? Yes or No??

For the 5th time, the $5-10 billion is no more real than the 16,500 IRS agents. It was a non IRS estimate from INCOMPLETE data. The actual amount is $473 million, as you have already been told.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Too stupid, but 100% CON$ervative.

YOU made it the subject in YOUR OP, child!!!
See why the CON$ervoFascist is slower than slow!!!

Only an would deny it was the subject of the OP and try to change the subject to the $5-10 billion INCOMPLETE CBO ESTIMATE for "ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS" not IRS agents, which it turns out is far less than $5-10 billion in practice.

for 3rd time:
What do you think the IRS will do with the $5-10 billion?(maybe hire girl scouts??) Is 2700 page socialist bill consistent with Declaration?? Yes or No??

For the 5th time, the $5-10 billion is no more real than the 16,500 IRS agents. It was a non IRS estimate from INCOMPLETE data. The actual amount is $473 million, as you have already been told.

Dear, details don't matter that much for 5th time basic point is:
Is 2700 page socialist bill consistent with Declaration?? Yes or No??

Are you afraid to answer simple questions??? Why so afraid??


ObamaCare Cost for The Federal Government

The ObamaCare cost for the Federal Government is a $1.1 trillion net cost. This number is an updated estimate by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). However, a number of factors including taxes, fees and penalties will reduce the federal deficits by $210 billion over the 2012-2021 period.

Gross additional costs of ObamaCare include $1.5 trillion for Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), as well as tax credits and other subsidies for the ObamaCare exchanges and small businesses, among other things. These costs are offset by penalty payments, health care cost cuts, new health care industry taxes, and a new excise tax on high-premium insurance plans.

Want to know more about the cost of ObamaCare check out the CBO Budget 2013-2014 or our resources page for more official documents detailing ObamaCare's costs and how they fit into the US budget.

 

[edthecynic]

for 3rd time:
What do you think the IRS will do with the $5-10 billion?(maybe hire girl scouts??) Is 2700 page socialist bill consistent with Declaration?? Yes or No??

For the 5th time, the $5-10 billion is no more real than the 16,500 IRS agents. It was a non IRS estimate from INCOMPLETE data. The actual amount is $473 million, as you have already been told.

Dear, details don't matter that much for 5th time basic point is:
Is 2700 page socialist bill consistent with Declaration?? Yes or No??

Are you afraid to answer simple questions??? Why so afraid??

Laws are not required to be "Declarational" except to an anti-American idiot. Real Americans require laws to be Constitutional. The Supreme Court has already ruled that the ACA is Constitutional.

Why don't you move to New Zeland?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Laws are not required to be "Declarational" except to an anti-American idiot.

if I said they were required to be I'll pay you 10,000. Another strawman?? Bet or run away again???

are you afraid to answer Yes or no??? IS ACA consistent with Declaration???? I've asked 5 times????

 

[edthecynic]

Laws are not required to be "Declarational" except to an anti-American idiot.

if I said they were required to be I'll pay you 10,000. Another strawman?? Bet or run away again???

are you afraid to answer Yes or no??? IS ACA consistent with Declaration???? I've asked 5 times????

You can ask 16,209 times, once for each IRS agent you lied about being hired. It won't make you any less stupid or misinformed.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Laws are not required to be "Declarational" except to an anti-American idiot.

if I said they were required to be I'll pay you 10,000. Another strawman?? Bet or run away again???

are you afraid to answer Yes or no??? IS ACA consistent with Declaration???? I've asked 5 times????

You can ask 16,209 times, once for each IRS agent you lied about being hired. It won't make you any less stupid or misinformed.

for 6th time: are you afraid to answer Yes or No??? Is Obamacare with its trillions in costs consistent with Declaration????


ObamaCare Cost for The Federal Government
The ObamaCare cost for the Federal Government is a $1.1 trillion net cost. This number is an updated estimate by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). However, a number of factors including taxes, fees and penalties will reduce the federal deficits by $210 billion over the 2012-2021 period.

Gross additional costs of ObamaCare include $1.5 trillion for Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), as well as tax credits and other subsidies for the ObamaCare exchanges and small businesses, among other things. These costs are offset by penalty payments, health care cost cuts, new health care industry taxes, and a new excise tax on high-premium insurance plans.

Want to know more about the cost of ObamaCare check out the CBO Budget 2013-2014 or our resources page for more official documents detailing ObamaCare's costs and how they fit into the US budget.

 

[edthecynic]

if I said they were required to be I'll pay you 10,000. Another strawman?? Bet or run away again???

are you afraid to answer Yes or no??? IS ACA consistent with Declaration???? I've asked 5 times????

You can ask 16,209 times, once for each IRS agent you lied about being hired. It won't make you any less stupid or misinformed.

for 6th time: are you afraid to answer Yes or No??? Is Obamacare with its trillions in costs consistent with Declaration????


ObamaCare Cost for The Federal Government
The ObamaCare cost for the Federal Government is a $1.1 trillion net cost. This number is an updated estimate by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). However, a number of factors including taxes, fees and penalties will reduce the federal deficits by $210 billion over the 2012-2021 period.

Gross additional costs of ObamaCare include $1.5 trillion for Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), as well as tax credits and other subsidies for the ObamaCare exchanges and small businesses, among other things. These costs are offset by penalty payments, health care cost cuts, new health care industry taxes, and a new excise tax on high-premium insurance plans.

Want to know more about the cost of ObamaCare check out the CBO Budget 2013-2014 or our resources page for more official documents detailing ObamaCare's costs and how they fit into the US budget.

Is lying about 16,000 IRS agents consistent with the Declaration???

Don't waste my time with any other numbers, your 16,500 IRS agents lie discredits any number from you.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Is lying about 16,000 IRS agents consistent with the Declaration???

don't know why you think Congress lied with 16,000 number or what you think truth is based on CBO's projections of trillions in costs???

Don't waste my time with any other numbers, your 16,500 IRS agents lie discredits any number from you.

dear, if you have proof that I lied I'll pay you $10,000. Bet or run away with your liberal tail between your legs once again.

Notice how as a liberal you must evade the topic( 7 times now ) which is , is Obamacare consistent with Declaration. What does that tell us about liberal anti Americanism?? Do you think by taking the 5th you fool anyone??