Bull Ring Is religion the greatest evil that has ever face humanity? RWS vs ding

[Ringel05]

You have faith in the same thing I do.

I do? Are you sure?

 

[Ringel05]

my goal is to remove religions. So that logic can take over, and we won't kill each other over Santa Claus.

Ah, a self proclaimed Don Quixote, a fools zealot on a fool's errand. People will always find reasons to kill each other in the name of something, anything.

They especially like to kill on their ruler's orders.

Sometimes.

 

[Crixus]

According to RWS religion is the greatest evil that has ever faced humanity.

Does God want us to judge him?

The purpose of this debate is to discuss the merits of this statement.

RWS will debate the position that religion is the greatest evil that has ever faced humanity.

ding will debate the position that by any objective measure religion has been a force for good.

The debate is intended to focus on the world's major religions; Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism and Confucianism and Primal Religions as discussed in Huston Smith's book, The Illustrated World Religions.

Although RWS is free to use examples of any religion he wishes; such as Scientology, Mormonism, People's Temple, Jehovah’s Witnesses

I will ask the mods if they are interested in being judges.

RWS the floor is yours. Please present your case for religion being the greatest evil that has ever face humanity.

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No, it’s still just plane old people.

 

[RWS]

There is no proof of any religion being right. In fact, many religions are rewritten versions of more ancient texts, and changed to suit the desire of the governing ruler.

Many wars have been waged over these rewritten texts, with the added caveat that the people must support it in order to reach their particular "heaven". This is obviously a ploy to create armies willing to die for a ruler, that wouldn't do so otherwise.

We didn't have sniper rifles and rockets and missiles back then. They had to rely on people willing to risk their lives in hand-to-hand combat. The only way to get people to do that, is to tell them that their afterlife depends on it.

Religions have preyed upon countless millions of people to fight and/or fund their wars for them, for the profit of a few. They take hostages and convert them under the penalty of death, to join their ranks. They kill and rape the others. And pillage and burn down their villages.

That's really what religion is. It's a tool, to create fighters and followers, to promote the wealthy few.

Faith, however, is something different. It means not following a religion, but still understanding that there may be something out there, or whatever your faith is. It means you don't follow orders from a religious ruler, and you live your life the logical way per your own faith. Your faith is up to you, not somebody else.

Religions will probably spell doom to us eventually. Faith will not.

 

[Ringel05]

There is no proof of any religion being right. In fact, many religions are rewritten versions of more ancient texts, and changed to suit the desire of the governing ruler.

Many wars have been waged over these rewritten texts, with the added caveat that the people must support it in order to reach their particular "heaven". This is obviously a ploy to create armies willing to die for a ruler, that wouldn't do so otherwise.

We didn't have sniper rifles and rockets and missiles back then. They had to rely on people willing to risk their lives in hand-to-hand combat. The only way to get people to do that, is to tell them that their afterlife depends on it.

Religions have preyed upon countless millions of people to fight and/or fund their wars for them, for the profit of a few. They take hostages and convert them under the penalty of death, to join their ranks. They kill and rape the others. And pillage and burn down their villages.

That's really what religion is. It's a tool, to create fighters and followers, to promote the wealthy few.

Faith, however, is something different. It means not following a religion, but still understanding that there may be something out there, or whatever your faith is. It means you don't follow orders from a religious ruler, and you live your life the logical way per your own faith. Your faith is up to you, not somebody else.

Religions will probably spell doom to us eventually. Faith will not.

 

[ding]

Point #20: Modern science was born in the Catholic Church.

 

[RWS]

Point #20: Modern science was born in the Catholic Church.

Seriously?

Modern science was shunned by the Catholic Church. People were killed or imprisoned if they gave a different scientific explanation of the Church's religious view. See Galileo, da Vinci, etc... It's endless!

Modern science actually originated with the Sumerian society. 4000 BC. They invented so many things we take for granted today, and suddenly came up with writing, mathematics, and astronomy. The basis of everything we have today, came from the Sumerians. That includes the plagiarized versions of religion...

Everything you count on, came from the Sumerians 6000 years ago.

 

[RWS]

It should be important to realize what they did and said. And how our modern culture and religions are based on them.

 

[RWS]

And unless the Sumerians were spontaneously created 6000 years ago, at the time of Creation, it also means the Earth is more than 6000 years old. Your Creation timeline is based on the Sumerians learning how to write and record history.

 

[ding]

Catholic Church and science - Wikipedia

 

[ding]

Point #21: Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market.

 

[RWS]

Catholic Church and science - Wikipedia

Nope, you're pasting links again, instead of explaining it yourself without quoting. That was one of the rules. You have to explain why the Catholic Church theory of spontaneous creation occured 6000 years ago. I'm telling you it's because that's when the Sumerians developed writing, and started recording things. And subsequent religions copied much from the Sumerian writings, which weren't religious at all, to make their religions...

That's why short-earthers, or whatever they're called, have a 6000 year timeline. That's when the Sumerians invented writing.

 

[RWS]

That's when recorded history began, but not when human or earth history began.

 

[ding]

Point #22: The Catholic Church invented the university.

 

[RWS]

Point #22: The Catholic Church invented the university.

Wow, really? Universities started in Africa and Asia, well before the Middle Ages.

 

[RWS]

Everything you say is wrong, bro....

 

[RWS]

Your history is so infected by religious lies, that you probably don't understand modern thinking. Wow...

Dinosaurs existed before mankind. The latest, like 60 million of years ago, before man. Man did not walk with dinosaurs. Are we good on that?

 

[ding]

https://www.catholiceducation.org/e...hurch-and-the-creation-of-the-university.html

 

[ding]

The Catholic Church invented the university

 

[ding]

Catholics invented the university - Legatus