uh huh.You are using logic right now (rather poorly though). The principles of logic exist independent of man no different than music or math exists independent of man. Logic is a function of intelligence. Logic is based upon truth. Truth exists independent of the observer. There needs to be no observer to know that it is true that when a tree falls in the wood it makes waves which if the proper receiver is present the waves would register as sound. Truth, like music, math, science and logic is discovered. It is not invented and it is not dependent upon any human for it to exist. It is only dependent upon a human to be discovered.Again, morals are standards and stands exist for logical reasons which makes them independent of men. So while men throughout history have had different standards, the reason the higher standard existed will make itself known through consequences.Because that's your argument against the existence of God. You literally made that argument. You are arguing God can't exist because bad things can happen to good people.Which results in you blaming God for man's bad acts. You literally are saying that God should have not allowed man free will to do good or not do good.No. It was man's choice to be ignorant. You can't blame others for your errors. That's not a good look.And it was god's error to leave man ignorantYou aren't God so... the error was in your absence of wisdom to give a child a gun.If I give a loaded gun to a child and that child kills someone I,not the child, am responsible for the consequences.
We are but children to a god aren't we? So god the parent gave man free will but not the wisdom to use it.
No different from a parent giving a child a loaded gun
I am beginning to think you have a victim attitude the way you are looking to blame others for your choices.
I don't blame others for my errors.
I am telling you how I understand the god creation myth.
And I think it is you who look down on others because you think you are morally superior with your childish idealistic moral absolutes that you can't even live up to.
I don't see myself as superior to anyone. I'm no saint. I don't see anything special about myself at all. So I'm not sure where you are getting this from.
How can I blame a god I don't believe exists for anything ?
I told you how I see your god myth.
It is not a myth I believe is true.
Hey you can pass your judgements on me by saying I have a victim mentality but you don't like when I pass my judgements on you.
That is an external locus of control argument. It literally blames God for giving man the freedom to do good or not do good. It absolves man of his responsibilities and places the blame on God. It's like you blaming me for giving you a million bucks that you then pissed away.
I'm not judging you. I am judging your choice to blame God for man's bad acts rather than blaming man for man's bad acts.
I'm saying god doesn't exist at all and because he doesn't exist any moral and ethical codes that humans have pondered and codified as law have been created by humans.
And I never said anything about bad things happening to good people.
In fact good and bad are just more man made concepts like evil.
And once again I'll tell you I cannot blame a god which I do not believe exists for anything. When I mention god it is response you using the god myth. All I did was point out the contradiction in your statement that everything god created is pure and good since man is not pure or good . I could just as easily be talking about Zeus, Apollo or Aphrodite as the god in your bible.
The ills of humanity are caused by humanity period.
Again logic is nothing but the study of the reasoning process. Logic is man's attempt to understand his own thinking process.
The reasons moral and ethical codes exist is because as humanity has evolved from nomadic , insular tribal units to larger stationary societies a new code of conduct was needed because the old nomadic behaviors no longer worked.
You have it backwards. ethics, morals and standards are a response to the challenges presented by human society and as such they are the attempt to find solutions that ensure the success of the overall society and most of the people in that society.
Nothing that has been pondered or codified in regards to human behavior would never have been pondered or codified if humans never existed.
So the morals, ethics and standards that humans have adopted could not exist if humans did not exist first. Humans are responsible for these codes of behavior.
If you never discovered hidden treasure would that hidden treasure not exist? Yes, it would exist. Logic, truth, music, math and science are hidden treasures waiting to be discovered.
But please feel free to believe that there is no such thing as logic, truth, music, math or science because they don't exist without humans.
Far be it from me to remove this ridiculous thought from your head.
And where did I ever say there was no such thing as logic?
I gave you the definition of logic. I told you what it actually is I never once said logic did not exist. In fact I said it exists because man brought the principles of login into existence as a way to understand hos own thought process.
So don't tell me what you think I believe. If you want to tell me what I believe then quote me and don't lie about what I said.