Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?

[surada]

That's why I didn't vote Republican for six out of seven elections from 1992 to 2016. How many times did you vote Republican then?

Let's focus on W and Trump. I voted for Trump once in 2020. I didn't vote for W either time. You?

Yet you claim the D party is printing trillions. WTF?

That's all you were trying to say?

How many trillion has the Democrat party spent and how much are they trying to spend?

The Republican party sucks. But they aren't spending on the same scale as Democrats. Do you ever read anything but Communism Today?

Biden is up to six trillion in six months in SURPLUS spending. Not even counting just the regular spending. The Federal government takes in about four trillion a year. That is unprecedented spending.

But hey, you have Democrat propaganda to keep spreading, sorry for getting in the way

thinking there is a difference in spending behavior by the two criminal gangs, is an example of propaganda working.

You live in a post math world, huh? Trump spent 2 trillion on Covid in 2020. That's a lot. But it's less than 6 trillion in half of 2021 Biden is spending. By a fair bit.

Gipper: I look like the Democrats? Huh, I don't see it ...

View attachment 512765

2020 was the pandemic year. Now its time to recover.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

Yup, I'm fine with putting sanctions on oppressive governments.

How does it help oppressed people?

Do their oppressors have more resources to keep them down.....or less?

 

[kaz]

Wrong.
Earnst Rohem started the SA, (Sturm Abteilung) with vets unhappy with their being ignored after WWI.
He then started the National Socialists are an anti communist and anti socialist party because that is what "nationalist" means.
It mean anti whatever comes next.
Hitler was never a socialist and never started any political party.
He was poor and stupid.
Hitler took control over nothing.
The wealthy elite oligarchy was looking for a good talker and finally decided on Hitler, but only if he ditched the SA, so he killed them all.
Hitler controlled no businesses and socialized nothing.
Hitler worked for the oligarchs, did only what they told him to do, and it was always only the wealthy elite, the aristorcracy, banks, corporations, and military, who were in control.
Hitler was more of a patsy who they could later use to take the blame.

Fascism is never about socialism.
Fascism was created by ancient Rome, using the fascia that was the axe handle symbol of office of the lictors, that showed strength in unity by being tied together in bundles, as a representation of the strength of collaboration of the oligarchs.

So the party that named themselves National Socialists hated Socialists?

LOL.

Joseph Paul Goebbels
As socialists, we are opponents of the Jews, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods.

If only you could erase all of history

If only.

ISIS and the Left statue hating populace are trying, so A for effort.

You might want a date on the Goebbel's quote. Hitler broke with the socialists in 1926 .. Most Jews were Socialists or Democrats and many were Communists.

Funny how you can address that by the year and you can't answer why YOU were a Republican for 35 years, what were the issued you agreed with them on, LOL. Oh yeah, that was a lie.

This thing there can't be two socialist parties is moronic. Hitler splitting with the socialist party doesn't mean he wasn't a socialist, he just wanted his own socialist party.

Seriously, that Nazis were right wing free market capitalists is just stupid. As stupid as you claiming you were a Republican for 35 years and you can't think of a single thing you agreed with them on that made you a Republican

 

[LeftofLeft]

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

What Trade did the US stop with Cuba aside from its own? Communist Cuba had every opportunity to trade with every nation besides the US.

Cuba…… another Communist failure. VIVA CAPITALISMO!

This continues to be the motto of you crazed statists. Then you claim the embargo had no effect on impoverishing Cubans, but communism did…lol…if it had no effect why do it?

Secondly, who do you think they could trade with in 1960s and 1970s, when much of the first world was still recovering economically from WWII. THINK! In the much of those early decades of the embargo the US was the world’s manufacturer. THINK! DON’T EMOTE.

Thirdly, do you not know the US pressured nations not to trade with Cuba?

What has Cuba been doing the last 20 and 40 years? Empirically, what were the validated effects of the US to pressure (“lobby”) other nations not to trade with Cuba? If so, how and why was this successful yet the US couldn’t get many of those same nations not to trade with with Saddam Hussein?

If you don't see the harm the US has done around the world the last 60 years, I can't help you. You have to get past that fourth grade government school indoctrination.

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

What Trade did the US stop with Cuba aside from its own? Communist Cuba had every opportunity to trade with every nation besides the US.

Cuba…… another Communist failure. VIVA CAPITALISMO!

This continues to be the motto of you crazed statists. Then you claim the embargo had no effect on impoverishing Cubans, but communism did…lol…if it had no effect why do it?

Secondly, who do you think they could trade with in 1960s and 1970s, when much of the first world was still recovering economically from WWII. THINK! In the much of those early decades of the embargo the US was the world’s manufacturer. THINK! DON’T EMOTE.

Thirdly, do you not know the US pressured nations not to trade with Cuba?

What has Cuba been doing the last 20 and 40 years? Empirically, what were the validated effects of the US to pressure (“lobby”) other nations not to trade with Cuba? If so, how and why was this successful yet the US couldn’t get many of those same nations not to trade with with Saddam Hussein?

If you don't see the harm the US has done around the world the last 60 years, I can't help you. You have to get past that fourth grade government school indoctrination.

You need help. You Blame US first. That said, what specifically, and verifiably has the US done to Cuba over the last 40 and 20 years, respectively? Cuba was the one that went the rout of North Korea and decided to hold firm on hard core Communism. How many US citizens who have disagreed with a President been tortured and shot like they have in Cuba and North Korea?

 

[kaz]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

Yup, I'm fine with putting sanctions on oppressive governments.

How does it help oppressed people?

'So seriously, you still don't grasp how not funding their repressive government helps the people?

You know who does see it? Their friends and families here who demand we have sanctions on the Cuban government.

Fuck em, huh?

 

[Votto]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

Yup, I'm fine with putting sanctions on oppressive governments.

How does it help oppressed people?

'So seriously, you still don't grasp how not funding their repressive government helps the people?

You know who does see it? Their friends and families here who demand we have sanctions on the Cuban government.

Fuck em, huh?

You realize that you are talking to people who have been brainwashed by a cult, right?

In fact, I bet if you asked the average person in NK, they would swear that communism/socialism is the best.

And when their glorious leader dies they will be inconsolable until they can find another fat boy to take his place.

 

[surada]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

Yup, I'm fine with putting sanctions on oppressive governments.

How does it help oppressed people?

'So seriously, you still don't grasp how not funding their repressive government helps the people?

You know who does see it? Their friends and families here who demand we have sanctions on the Cuban government.

Fuck em, huh?

How does it help the Cuban people? Their friends and families can't want them punished, can they?

 

[surada]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

Yup, I'm fine with putting sanctions on oppressive governments.

How does it help oppressed people?

'So seriously, you still don't grasp how not funding their repressive government helps the people?

You know who does see it? Their friends and families here who demand we have sanctions on the Cuban government.

Fuck em, huh?

You realize that you are talking to people who have been brainwashed by a cult, right?

In fact, I bet if you asked the average person in NK, they would swear that communism/socialism is the best.

And when their glorious leader dies they will be inconsolable until they can find another fat boy to take his place.

Cuba is not like North Korea.

 

[pknopp]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

Yup, I'm fine with putting sanctions on oppressive governments.

As we have already discussed the sanctions were only put on the people. Those in the government did fine.

 

[pknopp]

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

Why doesn't Russia help them? How about some of the other socialist countries?

Also, in Cuba, health care and education is free and there is subsidized food. These services come at a high cost which limits the revenue available to the central government. Sadly the country cut its own throat when they decided to drop America in favor of the USSR and the both disappeared on Cuba's economic horizon.

Russia, Russia, Russia. Does it never get old? What other countries do should not dictate what we do. As a "Christian" nation we should simply want to help people struggling. It's what we are instructed to do.

All you (and many others) only care about is your stupid politics and screw people when they get in the way.

That's hilarious. You chanted Russia, Russia, Russia for four years. Now you're over it suddenly. Hmmm, I wonder why? LOL. New President? Close. New party. Bam, that's it. You're so shallow

Your inability to ever be honest with a reply does grow tiring.

 

[pknopp]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As we have already discussed the sanctions were only put on the people.

Without sanctions, individual Cubans would be able to buy goods from the US?

 

[Correll]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

 

[kaz]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

Yup, I'm fine with putting sanctions on oppressive governments.

How does it help oppressed people?

'So seriously, you still don't grasp how not funding their repressive government helps the people?

You know who does see it? Their friends and families here who demand we have sanctions on the Cuban government.

Fuck em, huh?

How does it help the Cuban people? Their friends and families can't want them punished, can they?

How many times do you need this explained to you?

The people don't get the money, the government does. They buy more guns and use them to oppress the people. What about that is beyond your comprehension?

 

[kaz]

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

Why doesn't Russia help them? How about some of the other socialist countries?

Also, in Cuba, health care and education is free and there is subsidized food. These services come at a high cost which limits the revenue available to the central government. Sadly the country cut its own throat when they decided to drop America in favor of the USSR and the both disappeared on Cuba's economic horizon.

Russia, Russia, Russia. Does it never get old? What other countries do should not dictate what we do. As a "Christian" nation we should simply want to help people struggling. It's what we are instructed to do.

All you (and many others) only care about is your stupid politics and screw people when they get in the way.

That's hilarious. You chanted Russia, Russia, Russia for four years. Now you're over it suddenly. Hmmm, I wonder why? LOL. New President? Close. New party. Bam, that's it. You're so shallow

Your inability to ever be honest with a reply does grow tiring.

You're a liar, you were all over the Russia, Russia, Russia hoaxes the Democrats kept doing to Trump.

You're a terrible liar, you really suck at it

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

Evil capitalist pigs say the people who for decades kept an extensive system of gulags filled with
political prisoners that labored in their work camps.

 

[Leo123]

Russia, Russia, Russia. Does it never get old? What other countries do should not dictate what we do. As a "Christian" nation we should simply want to help people struggling. It's what we are instructed to do.

All you (and many others) only care about is your stupid politics and screw people when they get in the way.

Unfortunately it is Cuban politics that is keeping Cuban citizens poor. Their regime strictly controls the means of production and distribution. If you want to send $$$ to Cuba send a credit card or do an e-transfer. It's the easiest and cheapest way. Put your money where your mouth is.

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[Rigby5]

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

hahaha that's the problem isn't it? people are corrupt, people aren't angels....socialism just allows for it to flow widely, and always ends with the vast majority poor, and eating dogs.

China, USSR, Venezula, Cuba, Vietnam, every nation that has adopted Socialism.

Why do you think people being unemployment and getting UE benefits, and food stamps is a good part of America? I think it's horrible...we need less of it, and more people working.

Wrong.
China, USSR, Venezuela, Cuba were Stalinist, which is state capitalism.
Nothing socialist about them.
You can't have anything collaborative, cooperative, and communal without also being democratic.
Vietnam was not so Stalinist I believe.

Social welfare programs are always going to be temporary needs.
Without them you will have far more desperation and crime.
So they are always good to have as back up.
Without government, we would have far less work, such as no internet.
No private company could have invested what the internet took.

hahaa State Capitalism is socialism. It’s just another way to brand it that socialist came up with the deflect from the harms of socialism

The Govt owns the means and production. That’s socialism.

Social programs like welfare aren’t socialism…they don’t work the best, but they aren’t socialism

There is no difference between government "owning" the means of production and controlling it.

Yes, redistribution of wealth is a socialist policy. That alone doesn't make a government entirely socialist, but government is raping producers, that directly impacts the means of production and forces them into supporting government social policy

The National Socialist Hitler perfected the modern day socialist approach to controlling corporations.

He said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?" Hitler understood that bureaucrats can't even run government efficiently, let alone corporations. The only issue is controlling what those corporations do or do not do. Just let the experts be experts and mind your own business, unless you need them for something or need them to stop something. But the old style socialists like Cuba and North Korea still don't get it.

Hitler was an anti-socialist appointed Chancellor by the wealthy elite, in order to murder all the socialists and communists.
He never controlled any corporation except Junkers, whose CEO refused to support the war.
Military contracts were awarded on a capitalist bidding scheme just like the US now.

When you need to control people you just lie and claim there is some sort of threat, like Saddam having tons of anthrax and weeks away from nuclear weapons.

Hitler was a socialist...he formed his own socialist party, the National Socialist, and killed any threat to his power. He then took control over all private industry, and allowed some to remain, so long as they only worked for the good of the state. That's what Facsism is all about.

Wrong.
Earnst Rohem started the SA, (Sturm Abteilung) with vets unhappy with their being ignored after WWI.
He then started the National Socialists are an anti communist and anti socialist party because that is what "nationalist" means.
It mean anti whatever comes next.
Hitler was never a socialist and never started any political party.
He was poor and stupid.
Hitler took control over nothing.
The wealthy elite oligarchy was looking for a good talker and finally decided on Hitler, but only if he ditched the SA, so he killed them all.
Hitler controlled no businesses and socialized nothing.
Hitler worked for the oligarchs, did only what they told him to do, and it was always only the wealthy elite, the aristorcracy, banks, corporations, and military, who were in control.
Hitler was more of a patsy who they could later use to take the blame.

Fascism is never about socialism.
Fascism was created by ancient Rome, using the fascia that was the axe handle symbol of office of the lictors, that showed strength in unity by being tied together in bundles, as a representation of the strength of collaboration of the oligarchs.

Wasn't the SA the biggest party in Germany from about 1916 to 1932?

Yes it likely was the biggest, if nothing because it was about the only party left.
But the point is the SA was by Rohem and not Hitler, and Hitler had Rohem killed in 1934.

{... The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm Purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power and alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' paramilitary organization, known colloquially as "Brownshirts." Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch. ...}

Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[struth]

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

hahaha that's the problem isn't it? people are corrupt, people aren't angels....socialism just allows for it to flow widely, and always ends with the vast majority poor, and eating dogs.

China, USSR, Venezula, Cuba, Vietnam, every nation that has adopted Socialism.

Why do you think people being unemployment and getting UE benefits, and food stamps is a good part of America? I think it's horrible...we need less of it, and more people working.

Wrong.
China, USSR, Venezuela, Cuba were Stalinist, which is state capitalism.
Nothing socialist about them.
You can't have anything collaborative, cooperative, and communal without also being democratic.
Vietnam was not so Stalinist I believe.

Social welfare programs are always going to be temporary needs.
Without them you will have far more desperation and crime.
So they are always good to have as back up.
Without government, we would have far less work, such as no internet.
No private company could have invested what the internet took.

hahaa State Capitalism is socialism. It’s just another way to brand it that socialist came up with the deflect from the harms of socialism

The Govt owns the means and production. That’s socialism.

Social programs like welfare aren’t socialism…they don’t work the best, but they aren’t socialism

There is no difference between government "owning" the means of production and controlling it.

Yes, redistribution of wealth is a socialist policy. That alone doesn't make a government entirely socialist, but government is raping producers, that directly impacts the means of production and forces them into supporting government social policy

The National Socialist Hitler perfected the modern day socialist approach to controlling corporations.

He said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?" Hitler understood that bureaucrats can't even run government efficiently, let alone corporations. The only issue is controlling what those corporations do or do not do. Just let the experts be experts and mind your own business, unless you need them for something or need them to stop something. But the old style socialists like Cuba and North Korea still don't get it.

Hitler was an anti-socialist appointed Chancellor by the wealthy elite, in order to murder all the socialists and communists.
He never controlled any corporation except Junkers, whose CEO refused to support the war.
Military contracts were awarded on a capitalist bidding scheme just like the US now.

When you need to control people you just lie and claim there is some sort of threat, like Saddam having tons of anthrax and weeks away from nuclear weapons.

Hitler was a socialist...he formed his own socialist party, the National Socialist, and killed any threat to his power. He then took control over all private industry, and allowed some to remain, so long as they only worked for the good of the state. That's what Facsism is all about.

Wrong.
Earnst Rohem started the SA, (Sturm Abteilung) with vets unhappy with their being ignored after WWI.
He then started the National Socialists are an anti communist and anti socialist party because that is what "nationalist" means.
It mean anti whatever comes next.
Hitler was never a socialist and never started any political party.
He was poor and stupid.
Hitler took control over nothing.
The wealthy elite oligarchy was looking for a good talker and finally decided on Hitler, but only if he ditched the SA, so he killed them all.
Hitler controlled no businesses and socialized nothing.
Hitler worked for the oligarchs, did only what they told him to do, and it was always only the wealthy elite, the aristorcracy, banks, corporations, and military, who were in control.
Hitler was more of a patsy who they could later use to take the blame.

Fascism is never about socialism.
Fascism was created by ancient Rome, using the fascia that was the axe handle symbol of office of the lictors, that showed strength in unity by being tied together in bundles, as a representation of the strength of collaboration of the oligarchs.

Wasn't the SA the biggest party in Germany from about 1916 to 1932?

Yes it likely was the biggest, if nothing because it was about the only party left.
But the point is the SA was by Rohem and not Hitler, and Hitler had Rohem killed in 1934.

{... The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm Purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power and alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' paramilitary organization, known colloquially as "Brownshirts." Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch. ...}

Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, Hitler killed all his threats to power. Not uncommon among leftist dictators.

 

[Rigby5]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

WRONG!
Cuba never had a choice and never was against the US.
We simply refused their ambassadors, including Castro himself, and then tried to invade them.
Then we illegally threaten any country from doing business with them.
All the damage was done deliberately the US.
And by the way, the US illegally also allowed the stolen Cuban treasury to be banked here.