Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?

[Rigby5]

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

hahaha that's the problem isn't it? people are corrupt, people aren't angels....socialism just allows for it to flow widely, and always ends with the vast majority poor, and eating dogs.

China, USSR, Venezula, Cuba, Vietnam, every nation that has adopted Socialism.

Why do you think people being unemployment and getting UE benefits, and food stamps is a good part of America? I think it's horrible...we need less of it, and more people working.

Wrong.
China, USSR, Venezuela, Cuba were Stalinist, which is state capitalism.
Nothing socialist about them.
You can't have anything collaborative, cooperative, and communal without also being democratic.
Vietnam was not so Stalinist I believe.

Social welfare programs are always going to be temporary needs.
Without them you will have far more desperation and crime.
So they are always good to have as back up.
Without government, we would have far less work, such as no internet.
No private company could have invested what the internet took.

hahaa State Capitalism is socialism. It’s just another way to brand it that socialist came up with the deflect from the harms of socialism

The Govt owns the means and production. That’s socialism.

Social programs like welfare aren’t socialism…they don’t work the best, but they aren’t socialism

There is no difference between government "owning" the means of production and controlling it.

Yes, redistribution of wealth is a socialist policy. That alone doesn't make a government entirely socialist, but government is raping producers, that directly impacts the means of production and forces them into supporting government social policy

The National Socialist Hitler perfected the modern day socialist approach to controlling corporations.

He said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?" Hitler understood that bureaucrats can't even run government efficiently, let alone corporations. The only issue is controlling what those corporations do or do not do. Just let the experts be experts and mind your own business, unless you need them for something or need them to stop something. But the old style socialists like Cuba and North Korea still don't get it.

Hitler was an anti-socialist appointed Chancellor by the wealthy elite, in order to murder all the socialists and communists.
He never controlled any corporation except Junkers, whose CEO refused to support the war.
Military contracts were awarded on a capitalist bidding scheme just like the US now.

When you need to control people you just lie and claim there is some sort of threat, like Saddam having tons of anthrax and weeks away from nuclear weapons.

Hitler was a socialist...he formed his own socialist party, the National Socialist, and killed any threat to his power. He then took control over all private industry, and allowed some to remain, so long as they only worked for the good of the state. That's what Facsism is all about.

Wrong.
Earnst Rohem started the SA, (Sturm Abteilung) with vets unhappy with their being ignored after WWI.
He then started the National Socialists are an anti communist and anti socialist party because that is what "nationalist" means.
It mean anti whatever comes next.
Hitler was never a socialist and never started any political party.
He was poor and stupid.
Hitler took control over nothing.
The wealthy elite oligarchy was looking for a good talker and finally decided on Hitler, but only if he ditched the SA, so he killed them all.
Hitler controlled no businesses and socialized nothing.
Hitler worked for the oligarchs, did only what they told him to do, and it was always only the wealthy elite, the aristorcracy, banks, corporations, and military, who were in control.
Hitler was more of a patsy who they could later use to take the blame.

Fascism is never about socialism.
Fascism was created by ancient Rome, using the fascia that was the axe handle symbol of office of the lictors, that showed strength in unity by being tied together in bundles, as a representation of the strength of collaboration of the oligarchs.

Wasn't the SA the biggest party in Germany from about 1916 to 1932?

Yes it likely was the biggest, if nothing because it was about the only party left.
But the point is the SA was by Rohem and not Hitler, and Hitler had Rohem killed in 1934.

{... The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm Purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power and alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' paramilitary organization, known colloquially as "Brownshirts." Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch. ...}

Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, Hitler killed all his threats to power. Not uncommon among leftist dictators.

Nothing remotely leftist about Hitler.
Hitler was as right wing as anyone could possibly get.
He did not nationalize anything, and took orders from the aristocracy and military.

 

[Leo123]

WRONG!
Cuba never had a choice and never was against the US.
We simply refused their ambassadors, including Castro himself, and then tried to invade them.
Then we illegally threaten any country from doing business with them.
All the damage was done deliberately the US.
And by the way, the US illegally also allowed the stolen Cuban treasury to be banked here.

I guess allowing the USSR to put nukes pointed at the U.S. had nothing to do with it.

 

[Votto]

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

hahaha that's the problem isn't it? people are corrupt, people aren't angels....socialism just allows for it to flow widely, and always ends with the vast majority poor, and eating dogs.

China, USSR, Venezula, Cuba, Vietnam, every nation that has adopted Socialism.

Why do you think people being unemployment and getting UE benefits, and food stamps is a good part of America? I think it's horrible...we need less of it, and more people working.

Wrong.
China, USSR, Venezuela, Cuba were Stalinist, which is state capitalism.
Nothing socialist about them.
You can't have anything collaborative, cooperative, and communal without also being democratic.
Vietnam was not so Stalinist I believe.

Social welfare programs are always going to be temporary needs.
Without them you will have far more desperation and crime.
So they are always good to have as back up.
Without government, we would have far less work, such as no internet.
No private company could have invested what the internet took.

hahaa State Capitalism is socialism. It’s just another way to brand it that socialist came up with the deflect from the harms of socialism

The Govt owns the means and production. That’s socialism.

Social programs like welfare aren’t socialism…they don’t work the best, but they aren’t socialism

There is no difference between government "owning" the means of production and controlling it.

Yes, redistribution of wealth is a socialist policy. That alone doesn't make a government entirely socialist, but government is raping producers, that directly impacts the means of production and forces them into supporting government social policy

The National Socialist Hitler perfected the modern day socialist approach to controlling corporations.

He said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?" Hitler understood that bureaucrats can't even run government efficiently, let alone corporations. The only issue is controlling what those corporations do or do not do. Just let the experts be experts and mind your own business, unless you need them for something or need them to stop something. But the old style socialists like Cuba and North Korea still don't get it.

Hitler was an anti-socialist appointed Chancellor by the wealthy elite, in order to murder all the socialists and communists.
He never controlled any corporation except Junkers, whose CEO refused to support the war.
Military contracts were awarded on a capitalist bidding scheme just like the US now.

When you need to control people you just lie and claim there is some sort of threat, like Saddam having tons of anthrax and weeks away from nuclear weapons.

Hitler was a socialist...he formed his own socialist party, the National Socialist, and killed any threat to his power. He then took control over all private industry, and allowed some to remain, so long as they only worked for the good of the state. That's what Facsism is all about.

Wrong.
Earnst Rohem started the SA, (Sturm Abteilung) with vets unhappy with their being ignored after WWI.
He then started the National Socialists are an anti communist and anti socialist party because that is what "nationalist" means.
It mean anti whatever comes next.
Hitler was never a socialist and never started any political party.
He was poor and stupid.
Hitler took control over nothing.
The wealthy elite oligarchy was looking for a good talker and finally decided on Hitler, but only if he ditched the SA, so he killed them all.
Hitler controlled no businesses and socialized nothing.
Hitler worked for the oligarchs, did only what they told him to do, and it was always only the wealthy elite, the aristorcracy, banks, corporations, and military, who were in control.
Hitler was more of a patsy who they could later use to take the blame.

Fascism is never about socialism.
Fascism was created by ancient Rome, using the fascia that was the axe handle symbol of office of the lictors, that showed strength in unity by being tied together in bundles, as a representation of the strength of collaboration of the oligarchs.

Wasn't the SA the biggest party in Germany from about 1916 to 1932?

Yes it likely was the biggest, if nothing because it was about the only party left.
But the point is the SA was by Rohem and not Hitler, and Hitler had Rohem killed in 1934.

{... The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm Purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power and alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' paramilitary organization, known colloquially as "Brownshirts." Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch. ...}

Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, Hitler killed all his threats to power. Not uncommon among leftist dictators.

Nothing remotely leftist about Hitler.
Hitler was as right wing as anyone could possibly get.
He did not nationalize anything, and took orders from the aristocracy and military.

So let me get this straight.

You say that Europe is socialist's even though they don't nationalize everything, but since Hitler did the same thing he can't be socialist?

Are you really a right winger just trying to make the Left appear stupid?

 

[struth]

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

hahaha that's the problem isn't it? people are corrupt, people aren't angels....socialism just allows for it to flow widely, and always ends with the vast majority poor, and eating dogs.

China, USSR, Venezula, Cuba, Vietnam, every nation that has adopted Socialism.

Why do you think people being unemployment and getting UE benefits, and food stamps is a good part of America? I think it's horrible...we need less of it, and more people working.

Wrong.
China, USSR, Venezuela, Cuba were Stalinist, which is state capitalism.
Nothing socialist about them.
You can't have anything collaborative, cooperative, and communal without also being democratic.
Vietnam was not so Stalinist I believe.

Social welfare programs are always going to be temporary needs.
Without them you will have far more desperation and crime.
So they are always good to have as back up.
Without government, we would have far less work, such as no internet.
No private company could have invested what the internet took.

hahaa State Capitalism is socialism. It’s just another way to brand it that socialist came up with the deflect from the harms of socialism

The Govt owns the means and production. That’s socialism.

Social programs like welfare aren’t socialism…they don’t work the best, but they aren’t socialism

There is no difference between government "owning" the means of production and controlling it.

Yes, redistribution of wealth is a socialist policy. That alone doesn't make a government entirely socialist, but government is raping producers, that directly impacts the means of production and forces them into supporting government social policy

The National Socialist Hitler perfected the modern day socialist approach to controlling corporations.

He said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?" Hitler understood that bureaucrats can't even run government efficiently, let alone corporations. The only issue is controlling what those corporations do or do not do. Just let the experts be experts and mind your own business, unless you need them for something or need them to stop something. But the old style socialists like Cuba and North Korea still don't get it.

Hitler was an anti-socialist appointed Chancellor by the wealthy elite, in order to murder all the socialists and communists.
He never controlled any corporation except Junkers, whose CEO refused to support the war.
Military contracts were awarded on a capitalist bidding scheme just like the US now.

When you need to control people you just lie and claim there is some sort of threat, like Saddam having tons of anthrax and weeks away from nuclear weapons.

Hitler was a socialist...he formed his own socialist party, the National Socialist, and killed any threat to his power. He then took control over all private industry, and allowed some to remain, so long as they only worked for the good of the state. That's what Facsism is all about.

Wrong.
Earnst Rohem started the SA, (Sturm Abteilung) with vets unhappy with their being ignored after WWI.
He then started the National Socialists are an anti communist and anti socialist party because that is what "nationalist" means.
It mean anti whatever comes next.
Hitler was never a socialist and never started any political party.
He was poor and stupid.
Hitler took control over nothing.
The wealthy elite oligarchy was looking for a good talker and finally decided on Hitler, but only if he ditched the SA, so he killed them all.
Hitler controlled no businesses and socialized nothing.
Hitler worked for the oligarchs, did only what they told him to do, and it was always only the wealthy elite, the aristorcracy, banks, corporations, and military, who were in control.
Hitler was more of a patsy who they could later use to take the blame.

Fascism is never about socialism.
Fascism was created by ancient Rome, using the fascia that was the axe handle symbol of office of the lictors, that showed strength in unity by being tied together in bundles, as a representation of the strength of collaboration of the oligarchs.

Wasn't the SA the biggest party in Germany from about 1916 to 1932?

Yes it likely was the biggest, if nothing because it was about the only party left.
But the point is the SA was by Rohem and not Hitler, and Hitler had Rohem killed in 1934.

{... The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm Purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power and alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' paramilitary organization, known colloquially as "Brownshirts." Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch. ...}

Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, Hitler killed all his threats to power. Not uncommon among leftist dictators.

Nothing remotely leftist about Hitler.
Hitler was as right wing as anyone could possibly get.
He did not nationalize anything, and took orders from the aristocracy and military.

I mean other then his polices? Taken from Hitler's 25 point plan:

We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to nourish the total population of the State,

The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the framework of the whole for the benefit for the general good. We demand therefore

Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.

In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice of life and property that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment due to a war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. Therefore, we demand ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts).

We demand that the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

 

[Leo123]

Nothing remotely leftist about Hitler.
Hitler was as right wing as anyone could possibly get.
He did not nationalize anything, and took orders from the aristocracy and military.

He had a national slave force and nationalized war and aggression. He nationalized the news service. He protected businesses that supported economic goals of his regime as well. He set up welfare for the 'racially pure' as well. He had the "German Labour Front' which was a Nazi controlled union. Nazi Germany was not unlike Stalin's Russia in the way it operated.

 

[kaz]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

WRONG!
Cuba never had a choice and never was against the US.
We simply refused their ambassadors, including Castro himself, and then tried to invade them.
Then we illegally threaten any country from doing business with them.
All the damage was done deliberately the US.
And by the way, the US illegally also allowed the stolen Cuban treasury to be banked here.

Refresh my mind when we "tried to invade" Cuba. If you're talking about bay of pigs, that's a lie. We should have supported them but didn't

 

[kaz]

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

hahaha that's the problem isn't it? people are corrupt, people aren't angels....socialism just allows for it to flow widely, and always ends with the vast majority poor, and eating dogs.

China, USSR, Venezula, Cuba, Vietnam, every nation that has adopted Socialism.

Why do you think people being unemployment and getting UE benefits, and food stamps is a good part of America? I think it's horrible...we need less of it, and more people working.

Wrong.
China, USSR, Venezuela, Cuba were Stalinist, which is state capitalism.
Nothing socialist about them.
You can't have anything collaborative, cooperative, and communal without also being democratic.
Vietnam was not so Stalinist I believe.

Social welfare programs are always going to be temporary needs.
Without them you will have far more desperation and crime.
So they are always good to have as back up.
Without government, we would have far less work, such as no internet.
No private company could have invested what the internet took.

hahaa State Capitalism is socialism. It’s just another way to brand it that socialist came up with the deflect from the harms of socialism

The Govt owns the means and production. That’s socialism.

Social programs like welfare aren’t socialism…they don’t work the best, but they aren’t socialism

There is no difference between government "owning" the means of production and controlling it.

Yes, redistribution of wealth is a socialist policy. That alone doesn't make a government entirely socialist, but government is raping producers, that directly impacts the means of production and forces them into supporting government social policy

The National Socialist Hitler perfected the modern day socialist approach to controlling corporations.

He said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?" Hitler understood that bureaucrats can't even run government efficiently, let alone corporations. The only issue is controlling what those corporations do or do not do. Just let the experts be experts and mind your own business, unless you need them for something or need them to stop something. But the old style socialists like Cuba and North Korea still don't get it.

Hitler was an anti-socialist appointed Chancellor by the wealthy elite, in order to murder all the socialists and communists.
He never controlled any corporation except Junkers, whose CEO refused to support the war.
Military contracts were awarded on a capitalist bidding scheme just like the US now.

When you need to control people you just lie and claim there is some sort of threat, like Saddam having tons of anthrax and weeks away from nuclear weapons.

Hitler was a socialist...he formed his own socialist party, the National Socialist, and killed any threat to his power. He then took control over all private industry, and allowed some to remain, so long as they only worked for the good of the state. That's what Facsism is all about.

Wrong.
Earnst Rohem started the SA, (Sturm Abteilung) with vets unhappy with their being ignored after WWI.
He then started the National Socialists are an anti communist and anti socialist party because that is what "nationalist" means.
It mean anti whatever comes next.
Hitler was never a socialist and never started any political party.
He was poor and stupid.
Hitler took control over nothing.
The wealthy elite oligarchy was looking for a good talker and finally decided on Hitler, but only if he ditched the SA, so he killed them all.
Hitler controlled no businesses and socialized nothing.
Hitler worked for the oligarchs, did only what they told him to do, and it was always only the wealthy elite, the aristorcracy, banks, corporations, and military, who were in control.
Hitler was more of a patsy who they could later use to take the blame.

Fascism is never about socialism.
Fascism was created by ancient Rome, using the fascia that was the axe handle symbol of office of the lictors, that showed strength in unity by being tied together in bundles, as a representation of the strength of collaboration of the oligarchs.

Wasn't the SA the biggest party in Germany from about 1916 to 1932?

Yes it likely was the biggest, if nothing because it was about the only party left.
But the point is the SA was by Rohem and not Hitler, and Hitler had Rohem killed in 1934.

{... The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm Purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power and alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' paramilitary organization, known colloquially as "Brownshirts." Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch. ...}

Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, Hitler killed all his threats to power. Not uncommon among leftist dictators.

Nothing remotely leftist about Hitler.
Hitler was as right wing as anyone could possibly get.
He did not nationalize anything, and took orders from the aristocracy and military.

Oh just stop with the stupid shit. Hitler was a government controlled economy, which is socialism and all left, baby. Just cut the stupid shit out

 

[kaz]

Nonsense.
Individual corruption is what harmed Venezuela, and socialism had nothing at all to do with it.
The US also illegally caused a great deal of harm.
Most of the world is socialist, and all the good parts of the US are, like public transportation, education, social security, disability, ADC, food stamps, unemployment compensation, etc.

hahaha that's the problem isn't it? people are corrupt, people aren't angels....socialism just allows for it to flow widely, and always ends with the vast majority poor, and eating dogs.

China, USSR, Venezula, Cuba, Vietnam, every nation that has adopted Socialism.

Why do you think people being unemployment and getting UE benefits, and food stamps is a good part of America? I think it's horrible...we need less of it, and more people working.

Wrong.
China, USSR, Venezuela, Cuba were Stalinist, which is state capitalism.
Nothing socialist about them.
You can't have anything collaborative, cooperative, and communal without also being democratic.
Vietnam was not so Stalinist I believe.

Social welfare programs are always going to be temporary needs.
Without them you will have far more desperation and crime.
So they are always good to have as back up.
Without government, we would have far less work, such as no internet.
No private company could have invested what the internet took.

hahaa State Capitalism is socialism. It’s just another way to brand it that socialist came up with the deflect from the harms of socialism

The Govt owns the means and production. That’s socialism.

Social programs like welfare aren’t socialism…they don’t work the best, but they aren’t socialism

There is no difference between government "owning" the means of production and controlling it.

Yes, redistribution of wealth is a socialist policy. That alone doesn't make a government entirely socialist, but government is raping producers, that directly impacts the means of production and forces them into supporting government social policy

The National Socialist Hitler perfected the modern day socialist approach to controlling corporations.

He said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?" Hitler understood that bureaucrats can't even run government efficiently, let alone corporations. The only issue is controlling what those corporations do or do not do. Just let the experts be experts and mind your own business, unless you need them for something or need them to stop something. But the old style socialists like Cuba and North Korea still don't get it.

Hitler was an anti-socialist appointed Chancellor by the wealthy elite, in order to murder all the socialists and communists.
He never controlled any corporation except Junkers, whose CEO refused to support the war.
Military contracts were awarded on a capitalist bidding scheme just like the US now.

When you need to control people you just lie and claim there is some sort of threat, like Saddam having tons of anthrax and weeks away from nuclear weapons.

Hitler was a socialist...he formed his own socialist party, the National Socialist, and killed any threat to his power. He then took control over all private industry, and allowed some to remain, so long as they only worked for the good of the state. That's what Facsism is all about.

Wrong.
Earnst Rohem started the SA, (Sturm Abteilung) with vets unhappy with their being ignored after WWI.
He then started the National Socialists are an anti communist and anti socialist party because that is what "nationalist" means.
It mean anti whatever comes next.
Hitler was never a socialist and never started any political party.
He was poor and stupid.
Hitler took control over nothing.
The wealthy elite oligarchy was looking for a good talker and finally decided on Hitler, but only if he ditched the SA, so he killed them all.
Hitler controlled no businesses and socialized nothing.
Hitler worked for the oligarchs, did only what they told him to do, and it was always only the wealthy elite, the aristorcracy, banks, corporations, and military, who were in control.
Hitler was more of a patsy who they could later use to take the blame.

Fascism is never about socialism.
Fascism was created by ancient Rome, using the fascia that was the axe handle symbol of office of the lictors, that showed strength in unity by being tied together in bundles, as a representation of the strength of collaboration of the oligarchs.

Wasn't the SA the biggest party in Germany from about 1916 to 1932?

Yes it likely was the biggest, if nothing because it was about the only party left.
But the point is the SA was by Rohem and not Hitler, and Hitler had Rohem killed in 1934.

{... The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm Purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934. Chancellor Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his power and alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' paramilitary organization, known colloquially as "Brownshirts." Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch. ...}

Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, Hitler killed all his threats to power. Not uncommon among leftist dictators.

Nothing remotely leftist about Hitler.
Hitler was as right wing as anyone could possibly get.
He did not nationalize anything, and took orders from the aristocracy and military.

So let me get this straight.

You say that Europe is socialist's even though they don't nationalize everything, but since Hitler did the same thing he can't be socialist?

Are you really a right winger just trying to make the Left appear stupid?

Rigby5 makes it up has he goes

 

[theHawk]

U.S. Vows Only to 'Condemn' Cuba Violence As Havana Accuses Washington

Thousands protested in Havana, as well as San Antonio de los Baños and Palma Soriano, on July 11 to demand President Miguel Diaz-Canel step down.

www.newsweek.com

As people in Cuba begin to protest their government because of shortages and long lines and a failing economy, etc., government officials in Cuba blame the US for all their ills.

So is the US to blame? On the one hand, Marxists want to destroy the US, but on the other hand, seem to complain when the US does not help them economically or boycotts them economically. Why then do they want to destroy the US economy that they seem to need?

Either that or there is some other hidden way the US is destroying Cuba

Anyone?

And the only response from Joe Biden is that he condemns any violence. There is no support for anyone as he basically ignores what is gong on.

I assume Bernie Sanders is having a panic attack and does blame the US

So what about you?

The US should take credit for it, not “blame”. Since when is it a bad thing when a totalitarian communist regime falls? Oh, when there are millions of leftwing loonies that love communism. Fuck em.

The US isn't to blame for anything currently happening in Cuba that's of any consequence. It's a very small scale US fomenting of trouble on the streets that is very shortlived and irrelevant.

Frankly, the best thing the US could do for Cuba is to do as you suggest. Fuck me. America has lost any ability to do much more without turning to full scale military aggression.

Did you think that Cuba's communist regime was falling?
Maybe, but why would you think that?

We can take credit for inspiring oppressed people to rise up against their evil governments. Especially when they are waiving American flags.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

WRONG!
Cuba never had a choice and never was against the US.
We simply refused their ambassadors, including Castro himself, and then tried to invade them.
Then we illegally threaten any country from doing business with them.
All the damage was done deliberately the US.
And by the way, the US illegally also allowed the stolen Cuban treasury to be banked here.

Still no luck with your Geneva Convention claims?

 

[pknopp]

As we have already discussed the sanctions were only put on the people.

Without sanctions, individual Cubans would be able to buy goods from the US?

They could buy food and items from the U.S.

 

[pknopp]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

 

[pknopp]

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

Why doesn't Russia help them? How about some of the other socialist countries?

Also, in Cuba, health care and education is free and there is subsidized food. These services come at a high cost which limits the revenue available to the central government. Sadly the country cut its own throat when they decided to drop America in favor of the USSR and the both disappeared on Cuba's economic horizon.

Russia, Russia, Russia. Does it never get old? What other countries do should not dictate what we do. As a "Christian" nation we should simply want to help people struggling. It's what we are instructed to do.

All you (and many others) only care about is your stupid politics and screw people when they get in the way.

That's hilarious. You chanted Russia, Russia, Russia for four years. Now you're over it suddenly. Hmmm, I wonder why? LOL. New President? Close. New party. Bam, that's it. You're so shallow

Your inability to ever be honest with a reply does grow tiring.

You're a liar, you were all over the Russia, Russia, Russia hoaxes the Democrats kept doing to Trump.

You're a terrible liar, you really suck at it

WOW! Amazing Statement By A Very Frustrated Glenn Beck.....

 

[Correll]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

WRONG!
Cuba never had a choice and never was against the US.
We simply refused their ambassadors, including Castro himself, and then tried to invade them.
Then we illegally threaten any country from doing business with them.
All the damage was done deliberately the US.
And by the way, the US illegally also allowed the stolen Cuban treasury to be banked here.

So, what have they done to repair relations?

 

[22lcidw]

US sanctions are terribly harmful to the poor people of Cuba.

That may have been true 3 or 4 decades ago.
But today Cuba does a billion dollars in trade with Canada annually, and also has economic ties with China, Mexico, Brazil, Spain, and the Netherlands.
Like all communist run countries, the problem is the government, not the US sanctions.. ...

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

I do? Link?

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

Fidel wanted to put Russian nuclear missiles in his people's backyards.
When Russia went tits up and stopped propping up Fidel's economy Fidel's people were fucked.
I once visited Cuba with a farmer's group.
I was on a bus when I saw a man wheeling a woman in a wheelbarrow down the road.
I asked the bus driver what the man was doing. The bus driver said: "He's taking his wife to the hospital".

Under your messiah Dumb Don, our government did this…but they’d never pressure nations not to trade with Cuba. Lol

THE United States has launched a stunning attack on Cuba’s medical-aid missions, with the Trump administration pressing countries to reject them during the coronavirus pandemic.
US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic

We had ample proof of the failure of communism for the majority of people with Cuba. It was there for all to see. No one bothered it after the Bay of Pigs and before that. It failed.

The question isn't whether or not it's been good for the people. The question is whether or not our actions have done anything to help.

So we could have made it a "most favored nation" agenda. Those islands are beautiful in the Caribe. But many have a tough going.

 

[Correll]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

 

[percysunshine]

Well, the US is reponsible for the cell phone and internet technology available to protesters.

So, yes.

 

[pknopp]

US sanctions are terribly harmful to the poor people of Cuba.

That may have been true 3 or 4 decades ago.
But today Cuba does a billion dollars in trade with Canada annually, and also has economic ties with China, Mexico, Brazil, Spain, and the Netherlands.
Like all communist run countries, the problem is the government, not the US sanctions.. ...

At least you acknowledge you don't support free markets.

I do? Link?

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

Fidel wanted to put Russian nuclear missiles in his people's backyards.
When Russia went tits up and stopped propping up Fidel's economy Fidel's people were fucked.
I once visited Cuba with a farmer's group.
I was on a bus when I saw a man wheeling a woman in a wheelbarrow down the road.
I asked the bus driver what the man was doing. The bus driver said: "He's taking his wife to the hospital".

Under your messiah Dumb Don, our government did this…but they’d never pressure nations not to trade with Cuba. Lol

THE United States has launched a stunning attack on Cuba’s medical-aid missions, with the Trump administration pressing countries to reject them during the coronavirus pandemic.
US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic

We had ample proof of the failure of communism for the majority of people with Cuba. It was there for all to see. No one bothered it after the Bay of Pigs and before that. It failed.

The question isn't whether or not it's been good for the people. The question is whether or not our actions have done anything to help.

So we could have made it a "most favored nation" agenda. Those islands are beautiful in the Caribe. But many have a tough going.

They do. No one is arguing that they aren't led by corrupt individuals but that should not stop us from doing business with them. Heck, we have corrupt leaders here by the thousands.

 

[pknopp]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

 

[Correll]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.