Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?

[Staidhup]

All? No. Do we still have justifications for sanctions? Absolutely not. Cuba is an excellent example to show why sanctions do not work and only harm the people.

Did sanctions on Cuba for 60 years change anything? No.

Would the people be better off today if we had opened relations with Cuba? I will say, yes.

How is it that you see US sanctions as the root of Cuba’s economic demise? Was not Cuba the beneficiary of the USSR’s benevolence and open to world trade? Could it be that they were never granted the incentive to produce? Just maybe the issue is freedom to choose, receive just and fair rewards for their labor, or possibly sick and tired of political repression for the benefit of the state and a handful at the expense of the sweat that rolls down their back.

 

[pknopp]

All? No. Do we still have justifications for sanctions? Absolutely not. Cuba is an excellent example to show why sanctions do not work and only harm the people.

Did sanctions on Cuba for 60 years change anything? No.

Would the people be better off today if we had opened relations with Cuba? I will say, yes.

How is it that you see US sanctions as the root of Cuba’s economic demise?

I never said that. I said our sanctions accomplished nothing and should end but you knew that and not being able to address that you had to create a position for me.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

So true, yet so many Americans don’t get that.

Cuba did a little more than, "not bend to our every whim".

And hey, I'm open to hearing what they are doing to mend relations. After all, Cold War is over.

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship, after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

Agreed. We don't need them, they need US. They want better relations, I'm open to what they have to say.

Perfect attitude for what pretends to be a Christian nation.

I'm open to better relations from an enemy. What more do you want from me? Biden is a good little lefty, and he's not all there, perfect time for them to make a diplomatic move.

So much wrong with that little post. We made them an enemy, so we can unmake them. Biden is a neocon no different from most of our recent presidents. This is why he’s not opening up to Cuba.

They choose to be an enemy. When they knew damn well that they were 90 miles from US and on the other side of the planet from their strongest ally.


That was a bad plan. It is up to them to fix it.

Exactly........Fidel had everything it takes to be a great leader except a false belief that Communism was the answer for Cuba.

If he had aligned with America instead of Russia....Cuba would be a paradise today...both for the Cuban People and American tourists.

BTW Castro shut down all the Casinoes.....one of the few good things he did.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

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[Correll]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

So true, yet so many Americans don’t get that.

Cuba did a little more than, "not bend to our every whim".

And hey, I'm open to hearing what they are doing to mend relations. After all, Cold War is over.

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship, after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

Agreed. We don't need them, they need US. They want better relations, I'm open to what they have to say.

Perfect attitude for what pretends to be a Christian nation.

The problem is that all have to be Christian. And those who are not play games to guilt people. Guilting them to the abyss.

All do not. We pretend we are a Christian nation. For far too many, politics is their religion.

Funny, I've had long, long drag out arguments with leftards that consider the idea that we " are a Christian Nation" to be pure evulness.


Now a lefty wants to use that to get soft treatment for a commie hellhole.

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Not being able to address what I say you have to try and paint me in your safe little box.

Just keeping it real.

Do you believe that we are a Christian Nation and that we SHOULD base our national policies on our Christian heritage and ideals?

You know, since you brought it up.

No we are not but I believe we should live more up to the principles people pretend they have

Sorry, it's either or. If you want to throw the "Christian nation" shit in our faces, then you have to agree that we are a Christian Nation.


Otherwise, you are just a smarmy bastard playing asshole games.


Me? I do believe that we are a Christian Nation, adn that we should base our policies on our Christian Heritage and ideals.

We say we are BUT we are not. Your statements prove that out.

I think your use of "We" is kind of dishonest here. You are trying to have it both ways, just so you can talk some shit on other people.

YOU don't believe we are a Christian Nation. So, save the "we" talk.

If you want to make an argument about why you think we should have better relations with Cuba, maybe instead of pretending to be part of something YOU ARE NOT,

you should just be honest about YOUR REASONS for it.


OR, is your real motive here, just to talk shit on Christians? Are you just using the suffering of the Cubans as gist for your smear campaign?

You understand my argument. We are not a Christian nation because we do not act like one. I wish we would act more like one.

Do you? Would you support a ban on Abortion? Would you support laws that denied most divorces? Would you support a law that banned alcohol consumption? Or banned gambling?

Or are you just talking bullshit, to justify your little games?

You don't understand anything outside of the Evangelical viewpoint of the Bible.

So, that's a no to all of it. YOur talk of wanting a more "Christian" nation, or at least "acting like it" was just b.s.


What is your real reason for wanting better relations with Cuba?

Christians can have alcohol. Christians can place a bet. You read and are led from the wrong places.

"Evangelicals" loved Trump and he did all of those things............

What is your real reason for wanting better relations with Cuba?

Do you believe that all people are equal and equally deserving of consideration, whether they are Americans or Cubans?

I care less what our relations with Cuba are. I want us to stop doing things that do nothing other than harm people.

Giving money to a government that funds terrorists and guerillas, that would harm people.

We do that all the time but I haven't discussed anything like that.

Correct. .You didn't say anything like that. I did. And we were talking about better relations with Cuba.


Mmm, what does it mean? 2+2? Very high level math, very complex...

Come on, you can do it. Follow the dots, connect them, see the big picture...

 

[Correll]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

So true, yet so many Americans don’t get that.

Cuba did a little more than, "not bend to our every whim".

And hey, I'm open to hearing what they are doing to mend relations. After all, Cold War is over.

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship, after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

Agreed. We don't need them, they need US. They want better relations, I'm open to what they have to say.

Perfect attitude for what pretends to be a Christian nation.

The problem is that all have to be Christian. And those who are not play games to guilt people. Guilting them to the abyss.

All do not. We pretend we are a Christian nation. For far too many, politics is their religion.

Funny, I've had long, long drag out arguments with leftards that consider the idea that we " are a Christian Nation" to be pure evulness.


Now a lefty wants to use that to get soft treatment for a commie hellhole.

View attachment 513373

Not being able to address what I say you have to try and paint me in your safe little box.

Just keeping it real.

Do you believe that we are a Christian Nation and that we SHOULD base our national policies on our Christian heritage and ideals?

You know, since you brought it up.

No we are not but I believe we should live more up to the principles people pretend they have

Sorry, it's either or. If you want to throw the "Christian nation" shit in our faces, then you have to agree that we are a Christian Nation.


Otherwise, you are just a smarmy bastard playing asshole games.


Me? I do believe that we are a Christian Nation, adn that we should base our policies on our Christian Heritage and ideals.

We say we are BUT we are not. Your statements prove that out.

I think your use of "We" is kind of dishonest here. You are trying to have it both ways, just so you can talk some shit on other people.

YOU don't believe we are a Christian Nation. So, save the "we" talk.

If you want to make an argument about why you think we should have better relations with Cuba, maybe instead of pretending to be part of something YOU ARE NOT,

you should just be honest about YOUR REASONS for it.


OR, is your real motive here, just to talk shit on Christians? Are you just using the suffering of the Cubans as gist for your smear campaign?

You understand my argument. We are not a Christian nation because we do not act like one. I wish we would act more like one.

Do you? Would you support a ban on Abortion? Would you support laws that denied most divorces? Would you support a law that banned alcohol consumption? Or banned gambling?

Or are you just talking bullshit, to justify your little games?

You don't understand anything outside of the Evangelical viewpoint of the Bible.

So, that's a no to all of it. YOur talk of wanting a more "Christian" nation, or at least "acting like it" was just b.s.


What is your real reason for wanting better relations with Cuba?

Christians can have alcohol. Christians can place a bet. You read and are led from the wrong places.

"Evangelicals" loved Trump and he did all of those things............

What is your real reason for wanting better relations with Cuba?

Do you believe that all people are equal and equally deserving of consideration, whether they are Americans or Cubans?

I care less what our relations with Cuba are. I want us to stop doing things that do nothing other than harm people.

Giving money to a government that funds terrorists and guerillas, that would harm people.

You must be referring to the CIA, because they are the greatest source of terrorism, harm, etc,.
Cuba never was involved in terrorism, and correctly fought against military dictatorships.

Fought against military dictatorships, with terrorism and guerillas. With the goal of setting up Marxists dictatorships.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

But it does not stop trade with other countries.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

So true, yet so many Americans don’t get that.

Cuba did a little more than, "not bend to our every whim".

And hey, I'm open to hearing what they are doing to mend relations. After all, Cold War is over.

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship, after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

Agreed. We don't need them, they need US. They want better relations, I'm open to what they have to say.

Perfect attitude for what pretends to be a Christian nation.

The problem is that all have to be Christian. And those who are not play games to guilt people. Guilting them to the abyss.

All do not. We pretend we are a Christian nation. For far too many, politics is their religion.

Funny, I've had long, long drag out arguments with leftards that consider the idea that we " are a Christian Nation" to be pure evulness.


Now a lefty wants to use that to get soft treatment for a commie hellhole.

View attachment 513373

Not being able to address what I say you have to try and paint me in your safe little box.

Just keeping it real.

Do you believe that we are a Christian Nation and that we SHOULD base our national policies on our Christian heritage and ideals?

You know, since you brought it up.

No we are not but I believe we should live more up to the principles people pretend they have

Sorry, it's either or. If you want to throw the "Christian nation" shit in our faces, then you have to agree that we are a Christian Nation.


Otherwise, you are just a smarmy bastard playing asshole games.


Me? I do believe that we are a Christian Nation, adn that we should base our policies on our Christian Heritage and ideals.

We say we are BUT we are not. Your statements prove that out.

I think your use of "We" is kind of dishonest here. You are trying to have it both ways, just so you can talk some shit on other people.

YOU don't believe we are a Christian Nation. So, save the "we" talk.

If you want to make an argument about why you think we should have better relations with Cuba, maybe instead of pretending to be part of something YOU ARE NOT,

you should just be honest about YOUR REASONS for it.


OR, is your real motive here, just to talk shit on Christians? Are you just using the suffering of the Cubans as gist for your smear campaign?

You understand my argument. We are not a Christian nation because we do not act like one. I wish we would act more like one.

Do you? Would you support a ban on Abortion? Would you support laws that denied most divorces? Would you support a law that banned alcohol consumption? Or banned gambling?

Or are you just talking bullshit, to justify your little games?

You don't understand anything outside of the Evangelical viewpoint of the Bible.

So, that's a no to all of it. YOur talk of wanting a more "Christian" nation, or at least "acting like it" was just b.s.


What is your real reason for wanting better relations with Cuba?

Christians can have alcohol. Christians can place a bet. You read and are led from the wrong places.

"Evangelicals" loved Trump and he did all of those things............

What is your real reason for wanting better relations with Cuba?

Do you believe that all people are equal and equally deserving of consideration, whether they are Americans or Cubans?

I care less what our relations with Cuba are. I want us to stop doing things that do nothing other than harm people.

Giving money to a government that funds terrorists and guerillas, that would harm people.

We do that all the time but I haven't discussed anything like that.

Correct. .You didn't say anything like that. I did. And we were talking about better relations with Cuba.


Mmm, what does it mean? 2+2? Very high level math, very complex...

Come on, you can do it. Follow the dots, connect them, see the big picture...

Math is racist, according to the loons.

 

[gipper]

Yes the US is in part, to blame.

See all this white space here to type in is where you get to splain your point. I was not looking really for a short yes or no.

Continue

Okay no problem, but I just did that in another thread on this topic.

Are you aware the US has heavily sanctioned and stopped all trade with Cuba for 60 years? Now put the puzzle together. The world’s preeminent economic and military nation doing this to Cuba for 60 FUCKING YEARS, will have a negative impact.

No? Yes?

But it does not stop trade with other countries.

LMFAO.

 

[Correll]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

What diplomatic efforts has Cuba made to improve relations since the whole, being our enemy thing?

Not my issue. People are. Politics sucks.

Cuba is the small nation that choose to be the enemy of the superpower that lived right next door. Not a good plan.

If you care about people, then what Cuba does diplomatically to repair that damage, is important.


Have they stopped all the rhetoric about how America is evul, for example?

I can't say that I see them saying much of anything but as others have noted, China and other countries will step in and fulfill what they need.

We can continue to pretend we are doing something.

This is how things work. We put sanctions on China and other countries stepped in to fill their needs. If we prefer to spin our wheels, that's on you (and others) I guess.

Ok. Then they don't need access to the world's largest market, which just happens to be right next door.


Have a good time, and stop bothering me kid.

They don't so much now. We ceded that to others because.........???

So we would feel better?

Your pretense of not knowing about the Cold War, is .... dismissed.


Cuba made a bad call. They choose to be our enemy. When they are right next door. Their side lost the Cold War and they have done nothing to repair relations.

Ball is in their court.

They want to be China's bitch? lol, sure, the Chinese are well known for being gentle masters.

Cuba said all kinds of things 60 years ago. Irrelevant today.

Oh? You saying that don't talk the line of jive anymore?

I see very little.

So, you don't know? Neither do I. I assume they still talk the shit, because why would they not?

It's not like we are going to DO anything about it. So, why not talk tough and maybe fool someone here and there into thinking they are relevant, and maybe get some loving from other anti-American assholes in the world, of which there are many, even inside the US.

Supporting the idea that any country that doesn't bend to our every whim is our enemy is the anti-american position.

So true, yet so many Americans don’t get that.

Cuba did a little more than, "not bend to our every whim".

And hey, I'm open to hearing what they are doing to mend relations. After all, Cold War is over.

Yeah it’s up to little Cuba to fix the relationship, after the US government’s 60 year attack on it.

Agreed. We don't need them, they need US. They want better relations, I'm open to what they have to say.

Perfect attitude for what pretends to be a Christian nation.

I'm open to better relations from an enemy. What more do you want from me? Biden is a good little lefty, and he's not all there, perfect time for them to make a diplomatic move.

So much wrong with that little post. We made them an enemy, so we can unmake them. Biden is a neocon no different from most of our recent presidents. This is why he’s not opening up to Cuba.

They choose to be an enemy. When they knew damn well that they were 90 miles from US and on the other side of the planet from their strongest ally.


That was a bad plan. It is up to them to fix it.

Exactly........Fidel had everything it takes to be a great leader except a false belief that Communism was the answer for Cuba.

If he had aligned with America instead of Russia....Cuba would be a paradise today...both for the Cuban People and American tourists.

BTW Castro shut down all the Casinoes.....one of the few good things he did.

Well, I don't like casinos. But, I do wonder what Havana would be like today, if all the money that has flowed into Vegas over the last 70 years, instead went there.


I mean Cuba is huge and so close. The potential to attract tourists and/or retirees from America, would have to have been enormous, IF they had not been our enemies.


Can you imagine the cruises?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?​

In a word YES!

IN an accurate word NO

 

[Soupnazi630]

Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?​

In a word YES!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics. With their progressive communist system, Cubans don't know 'real' poverty.

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

Americans can just stew in their juices and hate from 90 miles away now!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics.

Really? What was their standard of living in 1958? In 2018?

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

China is pretty awesome! So what's Cuba's GDP per person now? China levels? US levels? Higher?

Cuba's standard of living is better than other banana republics because of their communist system. Their social program successes put an entirely different light on poverty.

That was able to happen even as America was completely intent on destroying Cuba.

Now China is there to lift US pressure off of Cuba and things can only get better.

In fact, when I was in Cuba 3 years ago, the growing prosperity was quite noticable.

But really, aside from that which I say being debated here, why do Americans still hate Cuba and their people?

They're not ever going to be a threat to America.
Even China is not a communist threat to America if America can finally change it's greedy capitalist system to one of 'socially' responsible capitalism that co-operates with the rest of the world's democracies.

Is the next country that falls victim to US occupation going to be Haiti? Will America act to uphold that country's system to protect it from communism?

If America doesn't deliver real aid to Haiti, China most likely will!

You are quite wrong.

Cuban poverty increased nationwide under Castro and communism. They were actually closer tot he USa in terms of no poverty before castro.

Like all communist revolutions they faieled exc ept at mass murder and enforced slavery and destitution.

 

[Donald H]

You are quite wrong.

Cuban poverty increased nationwide under Castro and communism. They were actually closer tot he USa in terms of no poverty before castro.

Like all communist revolutions they faieled exc ept at mass murder and enforced slavery and destitution.

That which is most wrong is Americans are born and raised to hate, as a prerequisite for the US wars they will be asked to approve of later in their lives.
All innocent countries that will become victims of US led wars need to be imagined ass evil communists and less than human.
Americans, as a rule, must wish death and destruction on others. That's facilitated 40 US wars of aggression since WW2 ended.

It didn't quite work for Cuba though. They showed strength and faith in their revolution long enough to escape the usual US dirty tricks and now with China's free and fair trade policies, Cuba is becoming a huge success, relative to banana republics.

Cuba has paid its price in full for the freedom from US evil it has gained.

 

[dudmuck]

Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?​

In a word YES!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics. With their progressive communist system, Cubans don't know 'real' poverty.

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

Americans can just stew in their juices and hate from 90 miles away now!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics.

Really? What was their standard of living in 1958? In 2018?

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

China is pretty awesome! So what's Cuba's GDP per person now? China levels? US levels? Higher?

Cuba's standard of living is better than other banana republics because of their communist system. Their social program successes put an entirely different light on poverty.

That was able to happen even as America was completely intent on destroying Cuba.

Now China is there to lift US pressure off of Cuba and things can only get better.

In fact, when I was in Cuba 3 years ago, the growing prosperity was quite noticable.

But really, aside from that which I say being debated here, why do Americans still hate Cuba and their people?

They're not ever going to be a threat to America.
Even China is not a communist threat to America if America can finally change it's greedy capitalist system to one of 'socially' responsible capitalism that co-operates with the rest of the world's democracies.

Is the next country that falls victim to US occupation going to be Haiti? Will America act to uphold that country's system to protect it from communism?

If America doesn't deliver real aid to Haiti, China most likely will!

You are quite wrong.

Cuban poverty increased nationwide under Castro and communism. They were actually closer tot he USa in terms of no poverty before castro.

Like all communist revolutions they faieled exc ept at mass murder and enforced slavery and destitution.

prior to castro, cuba had a sugar dominated economy with racial slavery.
When castro took over, Fulgencio Batista and friends ran off with millions of pesos. Later, when the soviet bloc disintegrated, cuba lost 85 percent of trade.

As bad as cuba might have it, they still do well in HDI (human development index) due to healthcare and education. Cuba does well with their supply of medical staff and medical training.

 

[Votto]

Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?​

In a word YES!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics. With their progressive communist system, Cubans don't know 'real' poverty.

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

Americans can just stew in their juices and hate from 90 miles away now!

Pretty much true but don't forget that they always were just another relatively poor banana republic to begin with, which has still managed to stand above other banana republics.

Really? What was their standard of living in 1958? In 2018?

And now China's peaceful co-operation with Cuba has finally freed them from under the punishing US dirty tricks.

China is pretty awesome! So what's Cuba's GDP per person now? China levels? US levels? Higher?

Cuba's standard of living is better than other banana republics because of their communist system. Their social program successes put an entirely different light on poverty.

That was able to happen even as America was completely intent on destroying Cuba.

Now China is there to lift US pressure off of Cuba and things can only get better.

In fact, when I was in Cuba 3 years ago, the growing prosperity was quite noticable.

But really, aside from that which I say being debated here, why do Americans still hate Cuba and their people?

They're not ever going to be a threat to America.
Even China is not a communist threat to America if America can finally change it's greedy capitalist system to one of 'socially' responsible capitalism that co-operates with the rest of the world's democracies.

Is the next country that falls victim to US occupation going to be Haiti? Will America act to uphold that country's system to protect it from communism?

If America doesn't deliver real aid to Haiti, China most likely will!

You are quite wrong.

Cuban poverty increased nationwide under Castro and communism. They were actually closer tot he USa in terms of no poverty before castro.

Like all communist revolutions they faieled exc ept at mass murder and enforced slavery and destitution.

prior to castro, cuba had a sugar dominated economy with racial slavery.
When castro took over, Fulgencio Batista and friends ran off with millions of pesos. Later, when the soviet bloc disintegrated, cuba lost 85 percent of trade.

As bad as cuba might have it, they still do well in HDI (human development index) due to healthcare and education. Cuba does well with their supply of medical staff and medical training.

So the Marxists ended all that racism?

LOL

Why then is Cuba 2/3 black with 70% white leadership?

Fidel Castro's Racist legacy

The world has finally lost one of the longest reigning kings, I mean tyrants in modern history. Fidel Castro has croaked. This man threatened our nation with nuclear war just 90 miles away, jailed and murdered his political opponents, was a...

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Also, most scientists, technicians and university professors, up to 80 percent in some fields, were white.

The Castro government has long treated racism as an issue solved by the revolution, which promised equality for all. But despite the Castros' early and overt denunciation of racism, it continues to be a pernicious presence in Cuban daily life. Sawyer offered one example, noting that kinky black hair is commonly referred to as pelo malo, or "bad hair."

Che was one of those ardent racists.

In fact, Castro's right hand man Che, the image you see Leftists wear in the US continually, was a known racist as well as homophobe and mass murderer.

Che Was a Racist, Homophobe and Mass Murderer

www.humanprogress.org

Guevara also espoused racist views. In his diary, he referred to black people as “those magnificent examples of the African race who have maintained their racial purity thanks to their lack of an affinity with bathing.” He also thought white Europeans were superior to people of African descent, and described Mexicans as “a band of illiterate Indians.”

Nice try but no cigar.

Sure, Cuba had economic problems with both regimes, but now they are not free to talk about it and the world will not get told about it.

 

[Correll]

You are quite wrong.

Cuban poverty increased nationwide under Castro and communism. They were actually closer tot he USa in terms of no poverty before castro.

Like all communist revolutions they faieled exc ept at mass murder and enforced slavery and destitution.

That which is most wrong is Americans are born and raised to hate, as a prerequisite for the US wars they will be asked to approve of later in their lives.
All innocent countries that will become victims of US led wars need to be imagined ass evil communists and less than human.
...

Nothing could be further from the Truth. You are a moron.

 

[Donald H]

Sure, Cuba had economic problems with both regimes, but now they are not free to talk about it and the world will not get told about it.

Your claims are all based on American hate for people of all other countries, as you've been taught from the cradle to do.

Che and other revolutionaries weren't murderers, they were engaged in fighting for Cuba's freedom from the US backed Batista regime and it's corruption.

You have no ambition to stop your hating of the Cuban people and that's now become nothing more than your own personal issue.

The world is moving on under the cover of other super powers' nuclear umbrellas.

Express your hate! That's the purpose on this forum.

 

[Donald H]

You are quite wrong.

Cuban poverty increased nationwide under Castro and communism. They were actually closer tot he USa in terms of no poverty before castro.

Like all communist revolutions they faieled exc ept at mass murder and enforced slavery and destitution.

That which is most wrong is Americans are born and raised to hate, as a prerequisite for the US wars they will be asked to approve of later in their lives.
All innocent countries that will become victims of US led wars need to be imagined ass evil communists and less than human.
...

Nothing could be further from the Truth. You are a moron.

Do you hate Cuba and the Cuban people? Haven't you already stated that you do, over and over again?

Americans are raised to be obliged to hate people of other countries. There hasn't even been any remose or regret expressed by Americans for what their country did to Iraq!

 

[Correll]

You are quite wrong.

Cuban poverty increased nationwide under Castro and communism. They were actually closer tot he USa in terms of no poverty before castro.

Like all communist revolutions they faieled exc ept at mass murder and enforced slavery and destitution.

That which is most wrong is Americans are born and raised to hate, as a prerequisite for the US wars they will be asked to approve of later in their lives.
All innocent countries that will become victims of US led wars need to be imagined ass evil communists and less than human.
...

Nothing could be further from the Truth. You are a moron.

Do you hate Cuba and the Cuban people? Haven't you already stated that you do, over and over again?

Americans are raised to be obliged to hate people of other countries. There hasn't even been any remose or regret expressed by Americans for what their country did to Iraq!

I do not hate the people of Cuba. You are a moron.

 

[Votto]

Sure, Cuba had economic problems with both regimes, but now they are not free to talk about it and the world will not get told about it.

Your claims are all based on American hate for people of all other countries, as you've been taught from the cradle to do.

Che and other revolutionaries weren't murderers, they were engaged in fighting for Cuba's freedom from the US backed Batista regime and it's corruption.

You have no ambition to stop your hating of the Cuban people and that's now become nothing more than your own personal issue.

The world is moving on under the cover of other super powers' nuclear umbrellas.

Express your hate! That's the purpose on this forum.

Hate? Here is what Che said about hate

"Crazy with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that falls in my hands! My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a bestial howl!"
"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …" ché Guevara

You worship a racist cold blooded murderer.

Get bent