Is the US to blame for all of Cuba's ills?

[Sunsettommy]

People suffered for 60 years but you felt good.

I don't feel good that the Cuban people have suffered under Communism for 60 years.

But you are fine with our sanctions that contributed to their suffering and accomplished nothing.

That is a bunch of baloney, the REST of the world have to some level been trading with Cuba for many years now, China is giving them propping up millions.

I have no clue how this addresses what I said. It simply reinforces it. Our sanctions did nothing to change them.

Nor did it hurt them so no we are not to blame

So why bother? If someone wants to trade with them, why stop them?

For the same reason we should not do business with nations practicing slavery. Or national socialism.

America's corporations 'should' do business with communist China. That's free trade and capitalism and only a true 'communist' system would forbid the practice.

While a socialist government would place some limits on it's capitalism that would protect their people's interests.

Funny how different styles of 'governing' can be defined isn't it!

china is communist in name only. It implements state capitalism, where the employer-employee relationship exists with the state as the employer. However, many capitalist companies operate in china, including US companies.

Communists in Cuba haven't already provided a living wage, healthcare and basic human rights?

LOL!

I wonder how many Cubans have died thanks to the horrendous attacks on it’s economy by the US over the last 60 fucking years. I bet it’s a big number. It’s unbelievable the extent of the actions the US undertook to harm the Cuban people.

But hey, communism is to blame according to the dumb con.

Jimmy Dore and Max Bluementhal spell it all out, but statist imperialist cons won’t care.

What stupid thing to claim since the rest of the world has been trading with Cuba for decades now.

Fact check: US embargo doesn't prevent Cuba from trading with other countries​

Daniel Funke
USA TODAY
July 15, 2021

Excerpt:

The OAS lifted those sanctions in 1975, after which countries closely aligned with the U.S., including Canada, started trading with Cuba.

As of 2019, Spain, China and Italy were among Cuba's top trading partners. Even some American companies, including Marriott and United Airlines, have done business in Cuba over the past few years, although the Trump administration unraveled several components of the detente pursued by the Obama administration.

"As far as I can tell, all kinds of companies doing business in the U.S., (like) foreign airlines, still conduct plenty of trade with Cuba," Javier Corrales, chair of the political science department at Amherst College, said in an email.

The rest of the world has been free to trade with Cuba for the last 46 years, even some trade between America and Cuba exist too.

There is no true blockade anymore.

 

[Donald H]

china is communist in name only. It implements state capitalism, where the employer-employee relationship exists with the state as the employer. However, many capitalist companies operate in china, including US companies.

Bright American! A pure communist state doesn't exist anywhere in the world if it doesn't exist in China.
Hopefully you've reconciled the facts on communsim, capitalism, and socialism in your head now? If the US interfered with US corporations operating in China and carrying on free trade wtih China, that would amount to America adopting communist policy.

But Americans are very vocal about not being in favour of unrestrained capitalism.

Do you want some form of socialist policy in which consideration is given to American jobs and bringing back American jobs?

Just how bright are you?

Fwiw, Canada subscribes to capitalism with a sensible mix of socialist policies, as do the world's leading democracies.

 

[pknopp]

The sanctions are not even 100%, America businesses does do some trade with Cuba, but the rest of the world have no trade restrictions to deal with, Cuba is still a third rate nation anyway, that is because of their Communist government failures.

I posted the details recently and it was ignored........

No one has argued they would be a paradise.

 

[Sunsettommy]

No one has argued they would be a paradise.

A lot of people with personal experience DIED trying to leave that Island.

 

[pknopp]

A lot of people with personal experience DIED trying to leave that Island.

And the discussion is whether or not our sanctions helped or hurt their situation.

Nobody has been able to argue where it has helped.

 

[Sunsettommy]

And the discussion is whether or not our sanctions helped or hurt their situation.

Nobody has been able to argue where it has helped.

Ha ha, the one nation partial embargo hasn't hurt Cuba since 1975, they trade with the rest of the world as I showed for 46 years now, thus invalidates the argument that America is hurting Cuba economically today.

 

[pknopp]

Ha ha, the one nation partial embargo hasn't hurt Cuba since 1975, they trade with the rest of the world as I showed for 46 years now, thus invalidates the argument that America is hurting Cuba economically today.

So why continue to do it?

 

[Likkmee]

Cuba is great !

 

[Donald H]

No one has argued they would be a paradise.

Cuba has huge potential of becoming a paradise.

They would never allow the kind of poverty suffered by native Hawaiians in Hawaii.

That would be Cuba's returning to the equivalent of the Batista regime.

The big difference between Cuba and Hawaii is only the fact that Cuban natives were always a majority.

This is also common to Venezuela and it's what revolutions are made of! It was Hugo Chavez's revolution that was upheld by Maduro.

 

[Sunsettommy]

So why continue to do it?

Because they are stupid, Biden isn't lifting it either, Obama was the only President in decades to lift part of it, then Trump reinstates part of it back, but American Businesses are slowly ignoring parts of the stupid embargo anyway.

 

[Donald H]

A country that has beauty that's rivalled by none.
A moderate tropical climate tempered by ocean breezes to rival California.s.
Many miles beaches as beautiful as any in the world.
Architecture dating back to the 15th. century as a second attraction to tourism.
A friendly and peaceloving people.

What country in the world has more potential of becoming a paradise?

Haiti without US capitalist ideals being forced on them?

 

[Soupnazi630]

And the discussion is whether or not our sanctions helped or hurt their situation.

Nobody has been able to argue where it has helped.

Or hurt.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Cuba has huge potential of becoming a paradise.

They would never allow the kind of poverty suffered by native Hawaiians in Hawaii.

That would be Cuba's returning to the equivalent of the Batista regime.

The big difference between Cuba and Hawaii is only the fact that Cuban natives were always a majority.

This is also common to Venezuela and it's what revolutions are made of! It was Hugo Chavez's revolution that was upheld by Maduro.

Native hawaiians are americans and far better off than Cubans.

Poverty increased after batista was deposed.

 

[Donald H]

Native hawaiians are americans and far better off than Cubans.

Poverty increased after batista was deposed.

Walk no more than a city block up off of the main drag in Honolulu and you see otherwise.

But be forewarned that you'll be risking being shot or mugged at least.

Poverty was hugely increased in Cuba after Batista, for the mob, which was sheltering in a safe haven from American justice.

 

[pknopp]

Because they are stupid, Biden isn't lifting it either, Obama was the only President in decades to lift part of it, then Trump reinstates part of it back, but American Businesses are slowly ignoring parts of the stupid embargo anyway.

Great. That's been my entire point. Lift it.

 

[pknopp]

Or hurt.

So let's do away with it........it seems there is no point.

 

[Donald H]

The only consequence of lifting the US embargo on Cuba was in America's injured pride.

But now there has become a very real reason for America to try to rebuild some bridges.
China already owns the love of the Cuban people and practically owns the exclusive right to free and fair trade relations with Cuba.

No wonder America has started to manufacture the illusion that the Cuban people are turning against their revolution.

It's a hugely serious matter for America now. China is moving into Cuba completely and cordially invited.

What a coincidence that Cuban Americans are demonstrating in large numbers in Florida!

And that's not even mentioning the leg up to Russia!

Will America attempt a military invasion of Cuba? Is it already too late to consider military force?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Walk no more than a city block up off of the main drag in Honolulu and you see otherwise.

But be forewarned that you'll be risking being shot or mugged at least.

Poverty was hugely increased in Cuba after Batista, for the mob, which was sheltering in a safe haven from American justice.

I have and no you do not. SUre they have there slums like ANY other American state or city but the fact is The poorest of the poor in Hawaii live better than the average Cuban

Poverty for the masses in general in Cuba was increased after Castro seized power,

 

[Soupnazi630]

So let's do away with it........it seems there is no point.

There is a point. We are better than them and will not intreat with a brutal communidst regime. Even if not always followed that principle is enough of a reason

 

[Donald H]

SUre they have there slums like ANY other American state or city but the fact is The poorest of the poor in Hawaii live better than the average Cuban

The poor in Hawaii don't have high quality affordable HC.
All the people of Cuba do and it's rated as just one place down from America's by the WHO.

That could make it debatable on for US health care.

But there's no doubt that universal, high quality HC shines a totally different light on poverty.

In fact it 'is' America's biggest consideration for it's low ranking on 'quality of life'/poverty.

Quality of life rankings, countries:

1. Canada
2. Denmark
3. Sweden
4. Norway
5. Australia
6. Netherlands
7. Switzerland
8. New Zealand
9. Finland
10. Germany
11. Austria
12. United Kingdom
13. Luxembourg
14. Japan
15. United States
16. France
17. Portugal
18. Spain
19. China
20. Singapore