ISIS seizes Saddam's chemical weapons

[Vigilante]

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.
U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq | NBC News

Can't be made into a dirty bomb and can't be enriched into nuclear weapons by religious extremists in 1985 Toyota pick-up trucks.

No WMD in Iraq.

Of course it could you useless troll...yellowcake DOES NOT GO BAD, and WE and our allies had NO IDEA if Saddam had the centrifuges to enrich it! In Sada's book, he mentions centrifuges brought to Syria, Too bad all of Saddam's weapons and equipment were blown up!

Now, dumb as a stump, can YOU see the DIFFERENCE of a BEFORE an Israel Air strike on Syria's nuclear location, and the AFTER picture where everything underground was buried beyond recovery?

Syrian nuclear reactor under construction before and after it was destroyed in September 2007 (in the desert area of Dair Alzour )

 

[Andylusion]

You have to be the dumbest, or, at least, the biggest WHORE for the subversive party.... You KNOW nothing, BUT General Sada said there were plenty of WMD that he personally flew into Syria... He was there, were you Rep Frog Boy II?

You know, it's almost unfair.. the exchanges between yourself and Flakey. The superior intellect you possess coupled with your wit make that idiot look like a babbling fool.

The far right drones have nothing of evidence except character assassination. No biggie.

Real Americans that they are peddling dross as gold.

And Real Americans know they are lying, because the bushies never announced WMD findings from the rooftops.

They would count, you far righties don't.

I don't understand this statement. We have not offered evidence? You can say you don't agree with the evidence, or that you deny the evidence, but we have most certainly offered evidence.

We have information of Russian activities involving the removal of WMDs.

We have satelite images showing a convoy of trucks going into Syria from Iraq.

We have photos of Syria clearly attempting to build a nuclear reactor.

We have statements by former members of the Iraqi government saying that the weapons were moved.

We have Israeli intelligence on the source of Syria's nuclear material.

Remember, Syria was a wreck long before we invaded Iraq. There is no possible way they could afford anything, without support. They could not have purchased any uranium of any type, let alone have the money or knowledge to use it if they did.

And all of this, everything we discussed here, has been posted on this thread, and other threads numerous times, by numerous sources. Books written by the people who were there, to news stories, and the satellite photos.

Now if you want to say you don't like our evidence, because it challenges your political dogma, that's fine. Go live in your own butt hole of politics.

Just stay in your own little world. But spare me that we didn't provide evidence. You are just too dense, to see the evidence.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[JakeStarkey]

"You are now the liar. You are just wrong, and lying."

NoDrow now gives us his opinion as fact, quotes an unreliable source, and goes on ranting.

Typical far right TP drone.

You got your ass handed to you in this thread.. It was great LOL

Says the Gun Flinger I drub every thread in which she dares enter.

 

[JakeStarkey]

NoDrow gives a long litnany of X and Y and Z as proof.

What he does not give you is this: leading bushies ever saying they found anything of worth.

We have Bush saying if he did not think the WMDs were not there, he would not have invaded.

Your own senior neo-cons won't back you far right drones.

 

[Vigilante]

NoDrow gives a long litnany of X and Y and Z as proof.

What he does not give you is this: leading bushies ever saying they found anything of worth.

We have Bush saying if he did not think the WMDs were not there, he would not have invaded.

Your own senior neo-cons won't back you far right drones.

Claim: Photographs show Iraqi fighter planes found buried in the desert.

Status: True.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2003]

Mig Buried in Sand

This has been out for well over a month, and I'll bet you haven't seen anything about it in the liberal news media.

No WMD’s, huh? Stand by!
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AND WE HAVE STOPPED LOOKING FOR WMD THAT'S A HELL OF A LOT SMALLER THAN BURRIED JETS!!!!...Above from Snopes... It MUST BE TRUE, it the FAGERALS GO TO SOURCE!!!


BIG DESERT....BIG.BIG FUCKING DESERT!

 

[KNB]

Maybe the words are too big? "No WMD in Iraq".

There is only one way to interpret that: "No WMD in Iraq".

 

[KNB]

Does a buried Mig jet full of sand count as a WMD? No? Then there still weren't any WMD in Iraq.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No senior bushies in the admin every announced that WMDs were found.

No reason exists to deny marriage equality?

And the only thing the droid Far Right is . . . but, but, but.

Fuck em if they don't get the joke.

 

[Vigilante]

Does a buried Mig jet full of sand count as a WMD? No? Then there still weren't any WMD in Iraq.

Knobhead, one last time...a nuclear bomb, or a chemical weapon such as the ones recently set off in Syria, COMPARED to a jet, are smaller that it's tires!.... Now, here's the hard part for you...IMAGINE you had a few dozen chemical bombs and you BURIED then in that HUGE FUCKING DESERT, and very few people knew what you did. Think it's slightly feasible that Chemical Weapons, sold to Saddam BY AMERICA could still be hidden out there?

Between 1985 and 1989, a US 501C3 firm, American Type Culture Collection, sent Iraq up to 70 shipments of various biowar agents, including 21 strains of anthrax.

Between 1984 and 1989, the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) sent Iraq at least 80 different biowar agents, including botulinum toxoid, dengue virus, and West Nile antigen and antibody.

This information on the American Type Culture Collection and the CDC comes from a report, “Iraq’s Biological Weapons Program,” prepared by the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies (CNS).

Of course there were chemical WMD over in Iraq, we sold it to them for their fight with our arch enemy Iran! But, we all know it wouldn't LOOK GOOD for America, since both Republicans and Democrats OK'd the sale of these weapons to Iraq. They were found, but our P:OLITICAL ELITE didn't want or need to go through a HE SAID, SHE SAID deal about selling all that shit! Now, do you understand? I'm already laughing...

 

[Vigilante]

No senior bushies in the admin every announced that WMDs were found.

No reason exists to deny marriage equality?

And the only thing the droid Far Right is . . . but, but, but.

Fuck em if they don't get the joke.

Of course there is a reason to deny marriage equality, the culture of the country is eroded. You want the same rights as a NORMAL married couple, you got it, but it's a civil union, and not a marriage. Live your lives however you want to, just don't force your lifestyle and your forced acceptance on me, period.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No senior bushies in the admin every announced that WMDs were found.

No reason exists to deny marriage equality?

And the only thing the droid Far Right is . . . but, but, but.

Fuck em if they don't get the joke.

Of course there is a reason to deny marriage equality, the culture of the country is eroded. You want the same rights as a NORMAL married couple, you got it, but it's a civil union, and not a marriage. Live your lives however you want to, just don't force your lifestyle and your forced acceptance on me, period.

You will follow constitutional and legal requirements in the public forum, Vigilante, or pay the price.

You will not be allowed to deny personal and civil liberty to any group of Americans under the 14th Amendment.

Your opinion in these matters does not count, other than you can look foolishly as you make them.

 

[KNB]

Does a buried Mig jet full of sand count as a WMD? No? Then there still weren't any WMD in Iraq.

Knobhead, one last time...a nuclear bomb, or a chemical weapon such as the ones recently set off in Syria, COMPARED to a jet, are smaller that it's tires!.... Now, here's the hard part for you...IMAGINE you had a few dozen chemical bombs and you BURIED then in that HUGE FUCKING DESERT, and very few people knew what you did. Think it's slightly feasible that Chemical Weapons, sold to Saddam BY AMERICA could still be hidden out there?

Between 1985 and 1989, a US 501C3 firm, American Type Culture Collection, sent Iraq up to 70 shipments of various biowar agents, including 21 strains of anthrax.

Between 1984 and 1989, the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) sent Iraq at least 80 different biowar agents, including botulinum toxoid, dengue virus, and West Nile antigen and antibody.

This information on the American Type Culture Collection and the CDC comes from a report, “Iraq’s Biological Weapons Program,” prepared by the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies (CNS).

Of course there were chemical WMD over in Iraq, we sold it to them for their fight with our arch enemy Iran! But, we all know it wouldn't LOOK GOOD for America, since both Republicans and Democrats OK'd the sale of these weapons to Iraq. They were found, but our P:OLITICAL ELITE didn't want or need to go through a HE SAID, SHE SAID deal about selling all that shit! Now, do you understand? I'm already laughing...

So what you're saying is that there weren't any WMD in Iraq and that's why there haven't been any WMD attacks against Americans in the 13 years that we've been at war in the Middle East? Yeah, I already knew that from reading declassified government documents. Perhaps you should do the same.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Vigilante, Pop23, LadyGunSlinger, etc., merely hurt the GOP with their stupidity on this issue and guarantees Dems elections they should not otherwise win.

The Senate has remained Blue for several election cycles because of their idiocy.

And the polling and the courts continue to demonstrate they have lost legal and public approval.

 

[depotoo]

This was besides the yellowcake. There was mustard and sarin gas also found after this removal. My next post will have what David Kay's report for ISG had found in Iraq by Oct., 2003.

CNN.com - U.S. removed nuclear material from Iraq - Jul 7, 2004
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States removed nearly two tons of radiological and nuclear materials from Iraq last month, the Energy Department said.The material could have potentially been used to make a "radiological dispersal device" -- a so-called dirty bomb -- "or diverted to support a nuclear weapons program," the department said Tuesday.Radiological sources for medical, agricultural or industrial purposes were not removed, the department said. Less-sensitive materials were repackaged and remained in Iraq.The departments of Energy and Defense removed "1.77 metric tons of low-enriched uranium and roughly 1,000 highly radioactive sources from the former Iraq nuclear research facility," Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham said Tuesday."This operation was a major achievement for the Bush administration's goal to keep potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists," Abraham said. "It also puts this material out of reach for countries that may seek to develop their own nuclear weapons."The material was gathered from around Iraq and taken to the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center, 11 miles southeast of Baghdad and the main site for the Iraqi nuclear program before the war.The United States notified the International Atomic Energy Agency of the planned transfer on June 19, but "requested IAEA to keep the information about the intended transfer confidential for ... security reasons," Mohamed ElBaradei said in a letter released Wednesday by the United Nations.It was then was flown to the United States on June 23, where it will be held at secure sites, said Brian Wilkes, a spokesman for the National Nuclear Security Administration

While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment.
U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq | NBC News

Can't be made into a dirty bomb and can't be enriched into nuclear weapons by religious extremists in 1985 Toyota pick-up trucks.

No WMD in Iraq.

 

[JakeStarkey]

From depotoo's link: "Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said."

Thank you for documenting that no WMDs existed and that the yellowcake was not a WMD threat under Saddam.

ps: you guys don't read this stuff, do you?

 

[KNB]

"This operation was a major achievement for the Bush administration's goal to keep potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists," Abraham said.
Saddam Hussein didn't have nuclear weapons or the capacity to make nuclear weapons, hence no WMD in Iraq.

What part of "Declassified government documents" do you people not understand?

No WMD in Iraq.

THE IRAQ WAR -- PART I:*The U.S. Prepares for Conflict, 2001
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART II: Was There Even a Decision?
THE IRAQ WAR -- PART III: Shaping the Debate

Whatever "sensitive materials" were removed from Iraq did not pose any threat to the United States of America. Saddam Hussein was not involved with al-Qaeda, Iraq was not involved with 9/11, and any dangerous materials were guarded by Saddam's ruthless regime.

Read the declassified government documents.

U.S. Intelligence and Iraq WMD
The Record on CURVEBALL

 

[depotoo]

What have we found and what have we not found in the first 3 months of our work?We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN. Let me just give you a few examples of these concealment efforts, some of which I will elaborate on later:A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of* 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.In addition to the discovery of extensive concealment efforts, we have been faced with a systematic sanitization of documentary and computer evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories, and companies suspected of WMD work. The pattern of these efforts to erase evidence - hard drives destroyed, specific files burned, equipment cleaned of all traces of use - are ones of deliberate, rather than random, acts. For example,On 10 July 2003 an ISG team exploited the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC) Headquarters in Baghdad. The basement of the main building contained an archive of documents situated on well-organized rows of metal shelving. The basement suffered no fire damage despite the total destruction of the upper floors from coalition air strikes. Upon arrival the exploitation team encountered small piles of ash where individual documents or binders of documents were intentionally destroyed. Computer hard drives had been deliberately destroyed. Computers would have had financial value to a random looter; their destruction, rather than removal for resale or reuse, indicates a targeted effort to prevent Coalition forces from gaining access to their contents.All IIS laboratories visited by IIS exploitation teams have been clearly sanitized, including removal of much equipment, shredding and burning of documents, and even the removal of nameplates from office doors.Although much of the deliberate destruction and sanitization of documents and records probably occurred during the height of OIF combat operations, indications of significant continuing destruction efforts have been found after the end of major combat operations, including entry in May 2003 of the locked gated vaults of the Ba'ath party intelligence building in Baghdad and highly selective destruction of computer hard drives and data storage equipment along with the burning of a small number of specific binders that appear to have contained financial and intelligence records, and in July 2003 a site exploitation team at the Abu Ghurayb Prison found one pile of the smoldering ashes from documents that was still warm to the touch.I would now like to review our efforts in each of the major lines of enquiry that ISG has pursued during this initial phase of its work.With regard to*biological warfare*activities, which has been one of our two initial areas of focus, ISG teams are uncovering significant information - including research and development of BW-applicable organisms, the involvement of Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) in possible BW activities, and deliberate concealment activities. All of this suggests Iraq after 1996 further compartmentalized its program and focused on maintaining smaller, covert capabilities that could be activated quickly to surge the production of BW agents.Debriefings of IIS officials and site visits have begun to unravel a clandestine network of laboratories and facilities within the security service apparatus. This network was never declared to the UN and was previously unknown. We are still working on determining the extent to which this network was tied to large-scale military efforts or BW terror weapons, but this clandestine capability was suitable for preserving BW expertise, BW capable facilities and continuing R&D - all key elements for maintaining a capability for resuming BW production. The IIS also played a prominent role in sponsoring students for overseas graduate studies in the biological sciences, according to Iraqi scientists and IIS sources, providing an important avenue for furthering BW-applicable research. This was the only area of graduate work that the IIS appeared to sponsor.Discussions with Iraqi scientists uncovered agent R&D work that paired overt work with nonpathogenic organisms serving as surrogates for prohibited investigation with pathogenic agents. Examples include:*B. Thurengiensis*(Bt) with*B. anthracis*(anthrax), and medicinal plants with ricin. In a similar vein, two key former BW scientists, confirmed that Iraq under the guise of legitimate activity developed refinements of processes and products relevant to BW agents. The scientists discussed the development of improved, simplified fermentation and spray drying capabilities for the simulant Bt that would have been directly applicable to anthrax, and one scientist confirmed that the production line for Bt could be switched to produce anthrax in one week if the seed stock were available.A very large body of information has been developed through debriefings, site visits, and exploitation of captured Iraqi documents that confirms that Iraq concealed equipment and materials from UN inspectors when they returned in 2002. One noteworthy example is a collection of reference strains that ought to have been declared to the UN. Among them was a vial of live C. botulinum Okra B. from which a biological agent can be produced. This discovery - hidden in the home of a BW scientist - illustrates the point I made earlier about the difficulty of locating small stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadly weapons. The scientist who concealed the vials containing this agent* has identified a large cache of agents that he was asked, but refused, to conceal. ISG is actively searching for this second cache.Additional information is beginning to corroborate reporting since 1996 about human testing activities using chemical and biological substances, but progress in this area is slow given the concern of knowledgeable Iraqi personnel about their being prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

 

[KNB]

"This discovery - hidden in the home of a BW scientist - illustrates the point I made earlier about the difficulty of locating small stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadly weapons."

And yet there haven't been any WMD attacks against Americans in 13 years of constant war, hence "no WMD in Iraq".

 

[depotoo]

Statement on the Interim Progress Report on the Activiteis of the Iraq Survey Group

that is from David Kay's report in the first 3 months.

You jackals that thought we would walk in and find all these nuclear weapons are full of it. It was the threat of his continued attempt atmprocurement, the facts we knew they were concealing things, and the threat when inspector's were not there he would be more than willing to well to the highest bidder whatever he might have we didn't know about as well as what we did. It iw so easy to now state, now that we got control of everything he did have, to say, "no big deal". But only fools with an agenda would make such a statement in light of all the facts.