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Europeans hate Christ. If you were Christ, how would you punish them? I think eating like that is fitting.Islam is coming to make you eat off the floor with your hand from a communal plate. No wonder they're all insane.
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Europeans hate Christ. If you were Christ, how would you punish them? I think eating like that is fitting.Islam is coming to make you eat off the floor with your hand from a communal plate. No wonder they're all insane.
Why would Christ need to punish them?Europeans hate Christ. If you were Christ, how would you punish them? I think eating like that is fitting.Islam is coming to make you eat off the floor with your hand from a communal plate. No wonder they're all insane.
They aren't doing it now but militant Islam is. Islam is 600 years younger, was founded by a murderous, caravan robbing child molester and was based on violence toward non-Muslims.Christianity has been around for 2,000 years and there have plenty of instances where Christians killed innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity. So what you meant to write was:Very small chance. Christians live in the present.Do you mean to imply that no Christian would kill innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity?
"Happened many times throughout history but Christians ignore their past."
"They aren't doing it now"They aren't doing it now but militant Islam is. Islam is 600 years younger, was founded by a murderous, caravan robbing child molester and was based on violence toward non-Muslims.Christianity has been around for 2,000 years and there have plenty of instances where Christians killed innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity. So what you meant to write was:Very small chance. Christians live in the present.Do you mean to imply that no Christian would kill innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity?
"Happened many times throughout history but Christians ignore their past."
This debate has been going on from the beginning of the US and it is silly since the assimilation patterns of every new group is generally the same. The first generation tries to keep their religion, language, and culture intact. If the community is big enough they have their own theater, newspapers, businesses, etc. All in the native language. The second generation generally speaks their native language at home but uses English elsewhere. They have a foot in both worlds. The third generation is completely American and often can't even speak to their grandparents. If those 3rd generation kids are not assimilated then we should worry.Muslim Non-AssimilationQuestions totally irrelevant to the subject of assimilation.What were the Irish Catholics blowing up? Where is their doctrine saying they intended to dominate the world? Can you post a copy?Good point. Set your clock back 150 years and you could rewrite your post substituting Irish/Catholic for Islam/Muslim.B'loney.
The Koran says Muslims are not supposed to assimilate. Look at Western Europe.
“I understand very well that you are against assimilation. One cannot expect you to assimilate. Assimilation is a crime against humanity.” ErdoganWhy does Erdogan call assimilation “a crime against humanity?” It is because the “humanity” he embraces includes only Islam’s believers—i.e., non-believers are unworthy of inclusion. Thus, believers in foreign lands are instructed to isolate themselves—for the sake of purity—from non-believers.
Many groups, not just Muslims, view assimilation as genocide. They will keep their children in private/religious school to prevent it. There is a saying among Jews that American assimilation will do what Hitler failed to do.
Name those groups and point out the ones plotting and carrying out terror attacks.Many groups, not just Muslims, view assimilation as genocide
"They aren't doing it now"They aren't doing it now but militant Islam is. Islam is 600 years younger, was founded by a murderous, caravan robbing child molester and was based on violence toward non-Muslims.Christianity has been around for 2,000 years and there have plenty of instances where Christians killed innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity. So what you meant to write was:Very small chance. Christians live in the present.Do you mean to imply that no Christian would kill innocent people if they thought they needed to defend Christianity?
"Happened many times throughout history but Christians ignore their past."
So Christians used to kill innocent people in the name of Christianity but they don't now. A good thing but what changed? Did the Bible change or was it the culture that changed?
Likewise, Muslims didn't used to kill innocent people like militant Islamists do today. Not so good a thing but what changed? Did the Quran change or was it the culture that changed?
In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.Likewise, Muslims didn't used to kill innocent people like militant Islamists do today. Not so good a thing but what changed? Did the Quran change or was it the culture that changed?
There is an orthodox Jewish sect in upstate NY that has moved so many members to a small that they have taken control and enacted very unpopular laws.Name those groups and point out the ones plotting and carrying out terror attacks.Many groups, not just Muslims, view assimilation as genocide
In Islam, Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" and accorded respect and privileges in the Quran itself. Both Jews and Christians have had their periods of sectarian violence. One Jewish victim figures prominently in the NT. Christians killed one another over religious differences for decades after the reformation.In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.
Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.
In Islam, Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" and accorded respect and privileges in the Quran itself. Both Jews and Christians have had their periods of sectarian violence. One Jewish victim figures prominently in the NT. Christians killed one another over religious differences for decades after the reformation.In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.
Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.
I very much doubt I'll like it. I doubt I'll like what Israel has planned for Hamas and Palestinian Authority very much either. I don't think this is so much a religious war as it is about politics, power, and control and of territory.How about reading the Hamas and Palestinian Authority"s charters and see what they have planned for Israel. You'll like it.
Who have they terrorized?There is an orthodox Jewish sect in upstate NY that has moved so many members to a small that they have taken control and enacted very unpopular laws.Name those groups and point out the ones plotting and carrying out terror attacks.Many groups, not just Muslims, view assimilation as genocide
You have no idea .So you get to give the proper interpretation of the Bible and the Quran? Quite a lofty position you have.
Illegitimate aggressions are threats or acts of force against the core principles of individualism - the core principles of individualism being self ownership ( free roam , free association , progeny ) and self determination ( private property , willful intents ) .Are you saying the conversion of others should be considered legitimate aggression? Does that apply to both the Muslim conquests of North Africa and the Christian conquests of North America?
None of that excuses the hate Islam teaches. And the privileges for Jews and Christians are dhimmitude where they are to be subdued and humiliated. You are using novice level apologies.In Islam, Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" and accorded respect and privileges in the Quran itself. Both Jews and Christians have had their periods of sectarian violence. One Jewish victim figures prominently in the NT. Christians killed one another over religious differences for decades after the reformation.In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.
Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.
The Two Kinds of Dhimmis - Political IslamAfter he had subdued all of the kafirs in Medina, Mohammed attacked the Jews of Khaybar. By now he realized that you could make more money from a live kafir than from a dead one. Kafirs can be enslaved, but the slave option has a disadvantage. Slaves have to be managed and be near at hand. So Mohammed created the dhimmi. The dhimmi agrees to live in a world that is dominated by Islam in all public areas. A dhimmi is free from Islam only in his own home. Law, customs, art, education, the media, government, speech and every thing in public space is Islamic. In addition, the dhimmi has to pay a tax to Islam called the jizya tax. In Khaybar the jizya tax was 50%.
The key psychological technique is that the dhimmi is to be humiliated in all possible ways. In effect, the dhimmi is halfway between freedom and slavery, a semi-slave.
The insults, humiliations and taxes wore the dhimmis down. What happened over time was that the dhimmis converted to Islam. It was easier to avoid all this pain and become a Muslim.
Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Dhimmitude - WikiIslamThe honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.
Sufi saint Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624), letter No. 163
Nonetheless, it was Islamic lands in the Middle East where Christians and Jews lived for centuries, and some communities even thrived under their rule. Islamic Spain can also be included in this category. Also, communities of Zoroastrians, Mandeans and Ezids also managed to survive, though they are not the people of the book.None of that excuses the hate Islam teaches. And the privileges for Jews and Christians are dhimmitude where they are to be subdued and humiliated. You are using novice level apologies.
If you want to compare Islam today with Christianity today you shouldn't be talking about dhimmis since no Islamic country on earth currently imposes the jizyah. I guess Islam can change after all.None of that excuses the hate Islam teaches. And the privileges for Jews and Christians are dhimmitude where they are to be subdued and humiliated. You are using novice level apologies.In Islam, Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" and accorded respect and privileges in the Quran itself. Both Jews and Christians have had their periods of sectarian violence. One Jewish victim figures prominently in the NT. Christians killed one another over religious differences for decades after the reformation.In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.
Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.
The Two Kinds of Dhimmis - Political IslamAfter he had subdued all of the kafirs in Medina, Mohammed attacked the Jews of Khaybar. By now he realized that you could make more money from a live kafir than from a dead one. Kafirs can be enslaved, but the slave option has a disadvantage. Slaves have to be managed and be near at hand. So Mohammed created the dhimmi. The dhimmi agrees to live in a world that is dominated by Islam in all public areas. A dhimmi is free from Islam only in his own home. Law, customs, art, education, the media, government, speech and every thing in public space is Islamic. In addition, the dhimmi has to pay a tax to Islam called the jizya tax. In Khaybar the jizya tax was 50%.
The key psychological technique is that the dhimmi is to be humiliated in all possible ways. In effect, the dhimmi is halfway between freedom and slavery, a semi-slave.
The insults, humiliations and taxes wore the dhimmis down. What happened over time was that the dhimmis converted to Islam. It was easier to avoid all this pain and become a Muslim.
If you want to compare Islam today with Christianity today you shouldn't be talking about dhimmis since no Islamic country on earth currently imposes the jizyah. I guess Islam can change after all.None of that excuses the hate Islam teaches. And the privileges for Jews and Christians are dhimmitude where they are to be subdued and humiliated. You are using novice level apologies.In Islam, Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" and accorded respect and privileges in the Quran itself. Both Jews and Christians have had their periods of sectarian violence. One Jewish victim figures prominently in the NT. Christians killed one another over religious differences for decades after the reformation.In Islam the only people that qualify as "innocents" are Muslims. Muslims have been killing Muslims since Muhammad died. That would be Sunnis and Shias killing each other. The non-Muslims killed are not considered innocents.
Next, you show your ignorance because the Koran cannot change. Anyone who knows Islam should know that.
The Two Kinds of Dhimmis - Political IslamAfter he had subdued all of the kafirs in Medina, Mohammed attacked the Jews of Khaybar. By now he realized that you could make more money from a live kafir than from a dead one. Kafirs can be enslaved, but the slave option has a disadvantage. Slaves have to be managed and be near at hand. So Mohammed created the dhimmi. The dhimmi agrees to live in a world that is dominated by Islam in all public areas. A dhimmi is free from Islam only in his own home. Law, customs, art, education, the media, government, speech and every thing in public space is Islamic. In addition, the dhimmi has to pay a tax to Islam called the jizya tax. In Khaybar the jizya tax was 50%.
The key psychological technique is that the dhimmi is to be humiliated in all possible ways. In effect, the dhimmi is halfway between freedom and slavery, a semi-slave.
The insults, humiliations and taxes wore the dhimmis down. What happened over time was that the dhimmis converted to Islam. It was easier to avoid all this pain and become a Muslim.
Nonetheless, it was Islamic lands in the Middle East where Christians and Jews lived for centuries, and some communities even thrived under their rule. Islamic Spain can also be included in this category. Also, communities of Zoroastrians, Mandeans and Ezids also managed to survive, though they are not the people of the book.None of that excuses the hate Islam teaches. And the privileges for Jews and Christians are dhimmitude where they are to be subdued and humiliated. You are using novice level apologies.
You can't say the same about so called Christian Europe, where Jews were expelled from the Western Europe. And read something about the Cathars for example to realize how peaceful so called Christianity was.
Who have they terrorized?There is an orthodox Jewish sect in upstate NY that has moved so many members to a small that they have taken control and enacted very unpopular laws.Name those groups and point out the ones plotting and carrying out terror attacks.Many groups, not just Muslims, view assimilation as genocide