Israel attacks civilians

[Wolverine1984]

"Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, last night delivered an unusually blunt *warning to his country that a failure to make peace with the Palestinians would leave either a state with no Jewish *majority or an 'apartheid' regime.

"His stark language and the South African analogy might have been unthinkable for a senior Israeli figure only a few years ago and is a rare admission of the gravity of the deadlocked peace process."

Barak: make peace with Palestinians or face apartheid | World news | guardian.co.uk

Even Israel has idiot leftists.

Indeed

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtPgr94VYA4"]All of Teal'c's Indeeds (New and Updated Version) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

Palesteeenians are very peaceful people.

A 27-year-old mother of five was bludgeoned to death with an iron chain by her father last week in Gaza in what human rights groups report was an honor killing.

According to police in Gaza, the father, Jawdat al-Najar, heard his daughter Fadia, who had divorced in 2005, speaking on the phone with a man. He believed she was having a relationship with him. Police say al-Najar became enraged and beat her to death; her body was brought to a hospital where officials said she died of a skull fracture

The woman was beaten to death in the northern Gaza neighborhood of Jebalya on Thursday night. The father called police and confessed to the murder.

According to investigators for the Gaza-based Al Mezan Center for Human Rights, the father and his three sons were taken into police custody. They said the killing "was carried out on grounds related to 'preserving' the honor of the family."

The Palestinian Center for Human Rights, another Gaza-based organization, said hospital forensic reports show the woman's body showed signs of torture and that she suffered a skull fracture from being hit by an iron chain.

Rights groups decry Gaza 'honor killing' - CNN

 

[P F Tinmore]

NABLUS, (PIC)-- Israeli occupation forces (IOF) tore down tents and warehouses for Palestinian farmers to the east of Nablus on Tuesday, local sources said.

Ghassan Daghlas, monitoring Israeli settlement activity in northern West Bank areas, said that IOF bulldozers razed the structures in Faroush Beit Dajan village to the east of Nablus.

He said that other IOF units knocked down a warehouse near Aqraba village to the south of Nablus and another one near Beit Forik village to the east of Nablus and confiscated material used in pitching tents.

IOF soldiers tear down farmers warehouses

 

[JStone]

NABLUS, (PIC)-- Israeli occupation forces (IOF) tore down tents and warehouses for Palestinian farmers to the east of Nablus on Tuesday, local sources said.

Nablus is really Biblical Shechem where Jews have lived for 3000 years. The Romans conquered Shechem and renamed it Neopolis [New City] The Arab interlopers merely Arabized Neopolis into Nablus.

Genesis 33 After Jacob came from Paddan Aram, he arrived safely at the city of Shechem in Canaan and camped within sight of the city.

For a hundred pieces of silver, he bought from the sons of Hamor, the father of Shechem, the plot of ground where he pitched his tent.

There he set up an altar and called it El Elohe Israel.

 

[JStone]

Ghassan Daghlas, monitoring Israeli settlement activity in northern West Bank areas

The arab interlopers renamed the Jewish land of Judea and Samaria "the West Bank" in 1950.

Jews have lived in Judea and Samaria for 3000 years.

Acts 1: Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

 

[theliq]

You don't know where Israel is?

Listen for the whining of the "Palestinians".

Same old song and dance.

Where is Israel? Post a map showing Israel's borders.

I reckon some of your ancestors,the apes settled there in pre history...YOU should claim this land for YOUR own dumb ass Toddy Boy.

Anyway this land was not originally owned and settled by the JEWS so they have no more mandate than I.tl

 

[theliq]

Ghassan Daghlas, monitoring Israeli settlement activity in northern West Bank areas

The arab interlopers renamed the Jewish land of Judea and Samaria "the West Bank" in 1950.

Jews have lived in Judea and Samaria for 3000 years.

Acts 1: Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

!!!!!!!!!??????????????.....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Same old song and dance.

Where is Israel? Post a map showing Israel's borders.

I reckon some of your ancestors,the apes settled there in pre history...YOU should claim this land for YOUR own dumb ass Toddy Boy.

Anyway this land was not originally owned and settled by the JEWS so they have no more mandate than I.tl

They've got it now.

 

[JStone]

Quote: Originally Posted by P F Tinmore

Same old song and dance.

Where is Israel? Post a map showing Israel's borders.

Israel is in the Bible and Quran 2000 times. The fictional palestine, not even once.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xrnw-yIc9w]The True History of Palestine - YouTube[/ame]

 

[georgephillip]

"Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, last night delivered an unusually blunt *warning to his country that a failure to make peace with the Palestinians would leave either a state with no Jewish *majority or an 'apartheid' regime.

"His stark language and the South African analogy might have been unthinkable for a senior Israeli figure only a few years ago and is a rare admission of the gravity of the deadlocked peace process."

Barak: make peace with Palestinians or face apartheid | World news | guardian.co.uk

Even Israel has idiot leftists.

"Barak, a former general and Israel's most decorated soldier, sought to appeal to Israelis on both right and left by saying a peace agreement with the Palestinians was the only way to secure Israel's future as a 'Zionist, Jewish, democratic state'".

You got something against a "Zionist, Jewish democratic state"?

 

[JStone]

"Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, last night delivered an unusually blunt *warning to his country that a failure to make peace with the Palestinians would leave either a state with no Jewish *majority or an 'apartheid' regime.

"His stark language and the South African analogy might have been unthinkable for a senior Israeli figure only a few years ago and is a rare admission of the gravity of the deadlocked peace process."

Barak: make peace with Palestinians or face apartheid | World news | guardian.co.uk

Even Israel has idiot leftists.

"Barak, a former general and Israel's most decorated soldier, sought to appeal to Israelis on both right and left by saying a peace agreement with the Palestinians was the only way to secure Israel's future as a 'Zionist, Jewish, democratic state'".

You got something against a "Zionist, Jewish democratic state"?

Fakestinians

Former PLO Leader Zuheir Mohsen

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.
Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Shaykh Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi, Italian Muslim Assembly

I believe that "Palestinian identity" is something completely artificial: it was forged as a propagandistic tool against Israel. The strange fact is that, at least here in Europe, I have never heard an Arab from the Land of Israel ("Palestine") say: "I am Palestinian."

Please remember that the so-called hero of "Palestinian independence," the pro-Nazi Grand Mufti of British Mandate Palestine, Haj Amin al-Husseini, never claimed that "Palestinians" are to be an independent people: all of his official declarations state that "Palestine must be recognized as a integral part of Syria."
ISRAEL SHOULD DECLARE OSLO NULL AND VOID (Prof. Abdul Hadi Palazzi August, 1998

Guy Milliere, Eminent Professor of History and Political Science, University of Paris

No one had heard of a Palestinian people before the mid-1960s. They did not exist. Israel under the British Mandate until Israel' s Independence in 1948 was called Palestine. All Jews who were born there until i948 had the word « Palestine » stamped on their passports. The current Palestinians are those Arabs who, for a variety of reasons, decided to leave the land during the 1947 War of Independence, when five countries--Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq--attacked the 600,000 people in the fledgling state of Israel the day after its birth, hoping to kill it in the crib.
The War Against Israel Goes On- by Guy Millière | dreuz.info

Fakestinian History

Historian Sir Martin Gilbert, Author of 10 Books on Jewish and Middle East History

On August 18 Yasir Arafat, speaking as head of the Palestinian National Authority in Gaza and Jericho, told Arab youngsters at a summer camp, "Those of you who lit the intifada fire must now act as defenders of this young state, whose capital is Jerusalem. It is Bir Salem [the fountain of Salem]. Salem was one of the Canaanite Kings, one of our forefathers. This city is the capital of our children and our children's children. If not for this belief and conviction of the Palestinian nation, this people would have been erased from the face of the earth, as were so many other nations."

King Salem is a newcomer on the historical scene. No such Canaanite, Jebusite or Philistine king is known to history

Fakestinian Messiahs. Did you know Jesus Christ, the Jewish rabbi who taught from the Torah and observed Passover in the Jerusalem Temple, was REALLY a muslime fakestinian?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWLyVU0Otlk]Arafat said Jesus was a Palestinian. Palestinian author and TV host agree. - YouTube[/ame]

We’re talking about an ongoing chain [of prophets of the Islam], from Adam to Muhammad. It’s an ongoing chain, representing the call for monotheism, and the mission of Islam… The prophets were all of the same religion [Islam]… Jesus was born in this land. He lived in this land. It is known that he was born in Bethlehem… He also lived in Nazereth, moved to Jerusalem. So he was a Palestinian par excellence…We respect Jesus, we believe in him [as a Muslim prophet], just as we believe in the prophet Muhammad."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQC0zeQFgJc]Jesus misrepresented as "Palestinian" by Mufti of the Palestinian Authority - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Outback]

Since Israel was created it has been attacked by Arabs.

 

[JStone]

Since Israel was created it has been attacked by Arabs.

Arabs are very peaceful people, really


Iran Iraq War, 1 million dead
Lebanese Civil War, 250,000 dead
Algerian Civl War: 300,000 dead
Bangladesh Civil War: 500,000 dead
Black Sept., Jordan's King Hussein murders, expells 80,000 Palestinians
Syrian army kills 20,000 Syrians at Hama
Iraq gases hundreds of thousands of Kurds
1400 year conflict between Sunnis and Shiites
Fratricide between Hamas and Fatah
Syria/Hizballah assassinate Lebanese PM Rafik Hariri

Alexis de Toqueville...

I studied the Koran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, last night delivered an unusually blunt *warning to his country that a failure to make peace with the Palestinians would leave either a state with no Jewish *majority or an 'apartheid' regime.

"His stark language and the South African analogy might have been unthinkable for a senior Israeli figure only a few years ago and is a rare admission of the gravity of the deadlocked peace process."

Barak: make peace with Palestinians or face apartheid | World news | guardian.co.uk

Even Israel has idiot leftists.

"Barak, a former general and Israel's most decorated soldier, sought to appeal to Israelis on both right and left by saying a peace agreement with the Palestinians was the only way to secure Israel's future as a 'Zionist, Jewish, democratic state'".

You got something against a "Zionist, Jewish democratic state"?

And yet, still an idiot leftist.

 

[JStone]

Quote: Originally Posted by georgephillip
You got something against a "Zionist, Jewish democratic state"?

Martin Luther King, Jr...

I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.
"I have a dream" for peace in the Middle East / King's special bond with Israel

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvr2Cxuh2Wk]Martin Luther King Jr: "Israel... is one of the great outpost of democracy in the world" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Wolverine1984]

"Ehud Barak, Israel's defence minister, last night delivered an unusually blunt *warning to his country that a failure to make peace with the Palestinians would leave either a state with no Jewish *majority or an 'apartheid' regime.

"His stark language and the South African analogy might have been unthinkable for a senior Israeli figure only a few years ago and is a rare admission of the gravity of the deadlocked peace process."

Barak: make peace with Palestinians or face apartheid | World news | guardian.co.uk

Even Israel has idiot leftists.

"Barak, a former general and Israel's most decorated soldier, sought to appeal to Israelis on both right and left by saying a peace agreement with the Palestinians was the only way to secure Israel's future as a 'Zionist, Jewish, democratic state'".

You got something against a "Zionist, Jewish democratic state"?

How is that supporting your point ?
Israeli former general says that he wants peace and that peace is the only way for a better tomorrow , while head of the Hamas Haneyya says he would never ever recognize Israel and would not stop until every last Israeli is banished or dead.

Like always, Israel wants peace ,while Hamas wants war.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even Israel has idiot leftists.

"Barak, a former general and Israel's most decorated soldier, sought to appeal to Israelis on both right and left by saying a peace agreement with the Palestinians was the only way to secure Israel's future as a 'Zionist, Jewish, democratic state'".

You got something against a "Zionist, Jewish democratic state"?

How is that supporting your point ?
Israeli former general says that he wants peace and that peace is the only way for a better tomorrow , while head of the Hamas Haneyya says he would never ever recognize Israel and would not stop until every last Israeli is banished or dead.

Like always, Israel wants peace ,while Hamas wants war.

Israel's version of peace is to remove the rest of the Palestinians from Palestine and steal the rest of their land.

The Palestinians do not want that kind of "peace."

 

[P F Tinmore]

Again with the 'Palestine has international borders' nonsense ?
Boundaries to define a geographical region does not mean 'international borders' ...

Repeating it over and over does not make it so ...

Preamble

The Parties to the present Agreement,

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;

Article V

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Gee, Israel would have you believe that the border is between Lebanon and Israel.

What the hell does it prove ?
Palestine is a geographical area nowhere in your quote there is a mention that Palestine is a country ,this is just your imagination...

If Brazil and Peru were at war , and they were singing a treaty that says :"

the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in South America, to negotiate an armistice; "

It does not mean , that South America is a country , it's just a geographical area.

Israel's standard smokescreen is that there was never a Palestine and therefore the territory was up for grabs.

For John Quigley Palestine's existence as a state predates the 1988 declaration. Tracing Palestine's status as an international entity back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, he recalls that the Palestine Mandate (1918–1948), an arrangement made under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, held as its "ultimate objective", the "self-determination and independence of the people concerned." He says that in explicitly referring to the Covenant, the 1988 declaration was reaffirming an existing Palestinian statehood.[126] Noting that Palestine under the Mandate entered into bilateral treaties, including one with Great Britain, the Mandatory power, he cites this as an example of its "sovereignty" at that time. He also notes the corollary of the Stimson Doctrine and the customary prohibition on the use of force contained in the Restatement of Foreign Relations Law of the United States, "[a]n entity does not necessarily cease to be a state even if all of its territory has been occupied by a foreign power".[86]

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Wolverine1984]

Preamble

The Parties to the present Agreement,

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;

Article V

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Gee, Israel would have you believe that the border is between Lebanon and Israel.

What the hell does it prove ?
Palestine is a geographical area nowhere in your quote there is a mention that Palestine is a country ,this is just your imagination...

If Brazil and Peru were at war , and they were singing a treaty that says :"the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in South America, to negotiate an armistice; "It does not mean , that South America is a country , it's just a geographical area.

Israel's standard smokescreen is that there was never a Palestine and therefore the territory was up for grabs.

Nice deflection , but saying 'standard Israeli smokescreen' doesn't prove your point , nor is it a relevant argument.

You claimed that just because 'Palestine' mentioned in an agreement it automatically means that it is a state, i showed you that it is not the case like the example with South America.
You had nothing to justify your claim so you say - 'standard smokescreen'
come on ... try harder.

For John Quigley Palestine's existence as a state predates the 1988 declaration. Tracing Palestine's status as an international entity back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, he recalls that the Palestine Mandate (1918–1948), an arrangement made under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, held as its "ultimate objective", the "self-determination and independence of the people concerned." He says that in explicitly referring to the Covenant, the 1988 declaration was reaffirming an existing Palestinian statehood.[126] Noting that Palestine under the Mandate entered into bilateral treaties, including one with Great Britain, the Mandatory power, he cites this as an example of its "sovereignty" at that time. He also notes the corollary of the Stimson Doctrine and the customary prohibition on the use of force contained in the Restatement of Foreign Relations Law of the United States, "[a]n entity does not necessarily cease to be a state even if all of its territory has been occupied by a foreign power".[86]

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Last timed I checked 'John Quigley' were not the ultimate authority that decides what is a state and what is not.

 

[JStone]

Eminent Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying with the larger province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1922-1948]

The countries forming the western arm of the Fertile Crescent were called by the names of the various kingdoms and peoples that ruled and inhabited them. Of these, the most familiar, or at least the best documented, are the southern lands, known in the earlier books of the Hebrew Bible and some other ancient writings as Canaan. After the Israelite conquest and settlement, the area inhabited by them came to be described as "land of the children of Israel" or simply "land of Israel" After the breakup of the kingdom of David and Solomon in the tenth century BCE, the southern part, with Jerusalem as its capital, was called Judah, while the north was called Israel

It is by now commonplace that the civilizations of the Middle East are oldest known to human history. They go back thousands of years, much older than the civilizations of India and China, not to speak of other upstart places. It is also interesting, though now often forgotten, that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East were almost totally obliterated and forgotten by their own people as well as by others. Their monuments were defaced or destroyed, their languages forgotten, their scripts forgotten, their history forgotten and even their identities forgotten.

All that was known about them came from one single source, and that is Israel, the only component of the ancient Middle East to have retained their identity, their memory, their language and their books. For a very long time, up to comparatively modern times, with rare exceptions all that was known about the ancient Middle East--the Babylonians, the Egyptians and the rest--was what the Jewish tradiiton has preserved.
http://www.amazon.com/Political-Wor...&ie=UTF8&qid=1323825054&sr=1-38&tag=ff0d01-20

American Library Association

"For more than four decades, Bernard Lewis has been one of the most respected scholars and prolific writers on the history and politics of the Middle East. In this compilation of more than 50 journal articles and essays, he displays the full range of his eloquence, knowledge, and insight regarding this pivotal and volatile region."
Oxford University Press: Search Results

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xrnw-yIc9w]The True History of Palestine - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJjm5K07V0]Who are the Palestinians? - YouTube[/ame]