Israel does not exist

[Indeependent]

Do you mean the documents that nobody has posted?

What documents are you waiting for us to post? We agree with you about the documents which created "Palestine". There is no need to post them because we accept them. Where we differ is that you pretend that the legal entity which was "Palestine" somehow CAN'T be governed by Jews and therefore the government and State which clearly is Jewish must not exist. So post me a document which says that a government or a State can't be Jewish.

Tardmore's usual bullshit of requesting a Link for something that doesn't exist.

He's an embarrassment to honest Palestinians.

 

[Humanity]

I have found the evidence that Israel REALLY exists!

Google Maps

Good enough for me!

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have found the evidence that Israel REALLY exists!

Google Maps

Good enough for me!

Why do they always show Israel inside fake borders?

 

[Hollie]

I have found the evidence that Israel REALLY exists!

Google Maps

Good enough for me!

Why do they always show Israel inside fake borders?

Approach those borders you claim are fake while waving your Koran and screeching out Allah akbar. Let us know how that works out for you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have found the evidence that Israel REALLY exists!

Google Maps

Good enough for me!

Why do they always show Israel inside fake borders?

Approach those borders you claim are fake while waving your Koran and screeching out Allah akbar. Let us know how that works out for you.

Blah, blah, blah.

Fake borders defended by a fake state.

 

[Boston1]

Yada yada yada

Phony people defined by a phony narrative about a phony place that never existed

For instance, Ass Oh Fat was Egyptian wasn't he ??????
British Mandate was carved out of Southern Syria wasn't it ??????
Muslims came from Arabia didn't they ?????
Jordan is palestine and palestine is Jordan, or at least thats what THE KING OF JORDAN SAYS.

LOL

 

[Humanity]

I have found the evidence that Israel REALLY exists!

Google Maps

Good enough for me!

Why do they always show Israel inside fake borders?

Where ARE the borders then?

 

[Hollie]

I have found the evidence that Israel REALLY exists!

Google Maps

Good enough for me!

Why do they always show Israel inside fake borders?

Approach those borders you claim are fake while waving your Koran and screeching out Allah akbar. Let us know how that works out for you.

Blah, blah, blah.

Fake borders defended by a fake state.

I've come to expect that "Blah, blah, blah" encapsulates your very best efforts at forming sentences into expressions of coherent thoughts.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have found the evidence that Israel REALLY exists!

Google Maps

Good enough for me!

Why do they always show Israel inside fake borders?

Where ARE the borders then?

There aren't any.

 

[Shusha]

Humanity

Tinmore's claim is that there has never been any legal instrument or treaty which divides what was formerly the Mandate for Palestine -- thus, legally it is one sovereign territorial unit. (He is entirely correct on this point).

He further claims that Israel is a non-legal entity with no defined borders which sits within the (legal) State of Palestine (which was created somewhere between 1922 and 1925). (And he is ridiculously incorrect on this point).

 

[P F Tinmore]

Humanity

Tinmore's claim is that there has never been any legal instrument or treaty which divides what was formerly the Mandate for Palestine -- thus, legally it is one sovereign territorial unit. (He is entirely correct on this point).

He further claims that Israel is a non-legal entity with no defined borders which sits within the (legal) State of Palestine (which was created somewhere between 1922 and 1925). (And he is ridiculously incorrect on this point).

He further claims that Israel is a non-legal entity with no defined borders which sits within the (legal) State of Palestine (which was created somewhere between 1922 and 1925). (And he is ridiculously incorrect on this point).

OK, so prove your point.

 

[Shusha]

Humanity

Tinmore's claim is that there has never been any legal instrument or treaty which divides what was formerly the Mandate for Palestine -- thus, legally it is one sovereign territorial unit. (He is entirely correct on this point).

He further claims that Israel is a non-legal entity with no defined borders which sits within the (legal) State of Palestine (which was created somewhere between 1922 and 1925). (And he is ridiculously incorrect on this point).

He further claims that Israel is a non-legal entity with no defined borders which sits within the (legal) State of Palestine (which was created somewhere between 1922 and 1925). (And he is ridiculously incorrect on this point).

OK, so prove your point.

Reasons why Israel is a State, since 1948, according to the criteria you provided:

It has a defined territory (the territory defined by the Mandate for Palestine). It has a government. It has a permanent population. It has the demonstrated capacity to enter into relations with other States (existing treaties, recognition at the UN, trade agreements, formal diplomatic relations.)


Reasons why "Palestine" is not a State (ignoring Oslo):

It does not have a government. It does not have the capacity to enter into relations with other States. You could argue that it had a defined territory (the territory defined by the Mandate for Palestine). And that it has a permanent population.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Humanity

Tinmore's claim is that there has never been any legal instrument or treaty which divides what was formerly the Mandate for Palestine -- thus, legally it is one sovereign territorial unit. (He is entirely correct on this point).

He further claims that Israel is a non-legal entity with no defined borders which sits within the (legal) State of Palestine (which was created somewhere between 1922 and 1925). (And he is ridiculously incorrect on this point).

He further claims that Israel is a non-legal entity with no defined borders which sits within the (legal) State of Palestine (which was created somewhere between 1922 and 1925). (And he is ridiculously incorrect on this point).

OK, so prove your point.

Reasons why Israel is a State, since 1948, according to the criteria you provided:

It has a defined territory (the territory defined by the Mandate for Palestine). It has a government. It has a permanent population. It has the demonstrated capacity to enter into relations with other States (existing treaties, recognition at the UN, trade agreements, formal diplomatic relations.)


Reasons why "Palestine" is not a State (ignoring Oslo):

It does not have a government. It does not have the capacity to enter into relations with other States. You could argue that it had a defined territory (the territory defined by the Mandate for Palestine). And that it has a permanent population.

The Mandate for Palestine was not a place. It had no territory or borders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Humanity

Tinmore's claim is that there has never been any legal instrument or treaty which divides what was formerly the Mandate for Palestine -- thus, legally it is one sovereign territorial unit. (He is entirely correct on this point).

He further claims that Israel is a non-legal entity with no defined borders which sits within the (legal) State of Palestine (which was created somewhere between 1922 and 1925). (And he is ridiculously incorrect on this point).

He further claims that Israel is a non-legal entity with no defined borders which sits within the (legal) State of Palestine (which was created somewhere between 1922 and 1925). (And he is ridiculously incorrect on this point).

OK, so prove your point.

Reasons why Israel is a State, since 1948, according to the criteria you provided:

It has a defined territory (the territory defined by the Mandate for Palestine). It has a government. It has a permanent population. It has the demonstrated capacity to enter into relations with other States (existing treaties, recognition at the UN, trade agreements, formal diplomatic relations.)


Reasons why "Palestine" is not a State (ignoring Oslo):

It does not have a government. It does not have the capacity to enter into relations with other States. You could argue that it had a defined territory (the territory defined by the Mandate for Palestine). And that it has a permanent population.

Reasons why Israel is a State, since 1948, according to the criteria you provided:

It has a defined territory

Link?

 

[Shusha]

The Mandate for Palestine was not a place. It had no territory or borders.

Oh give me a break. Why do you insist on using this ridiculous argument? The territory which was labelled the Mandate for Palestine was defined in all of the legal instruments of the day and the borders were clearly delineated. There is no dispute or question about where "Palestine" begins or ends.

 

[Shusha]

Link?

You keep going back to the same request for "links" for things demonstrated over and over and over again.

Look, you CAN'T have it both ways. Either there is no delineated border for "Palestine" or there is. Which is it?

If you argue that there ARE borders which define Palestine -- we agree. We have no dispute about where the borders are, so just stop asking for further information and "links" about borders. The dispute between you and I isn't about the existence of borders -- that's just you blowing smoke. We agree that there are legal borders and we agree that there is only one sovereign for the entire territory.

Israel has clear legal claim to the entire territory because that territory has never been divided. Israel clearly meets the four criteria you provided as a "test" of whether a state exists or not. Proof is in the legal border between Israel and Jordan (by treaty -- which means by international law) and between Israel and Egypt (by treaty -- which means by international law).

 

[Shusha]

Let's put it another way. Syria has borders, right? Jordan has borders. Lebanon and Iraq have borders.

So why wouldn't Palestine have borders?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Mandate for Palestine was not a place. It had no territory or borders.

Oh give me a break. Why do you insist on using this ridiculous argument? The territory which was labelled the Mandate for Palestine was defined in all of the legal instruments of the day and the borders were clearly delineated. There is no dispute or question about where "Palestine" begins or ends.

There is no dispute or question about where "Palestine" begins or ends.

Indeed, and the Mandate was merely the trustee. It did not own anything.

 

[Shusha]

Not saying that it did. Just pointing out that the borders exist. They don't just stop existing because.....Jooooooos.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Link?

You keep going back to the same request for "links" for things demonstrated over and over and over again.

Look, you CAN'T have it both ways. Either there is no delineated border for "Palestine" or there is. Which is it?

If you argue that there ARE borders which define Palestine -- we agree. We have no dispute about where the borders are, so just stop asking for further information and "links" about borders. The dispute between you and I isn't about the existence of borders -- that's just you blowing smoke. We agree that there are legal borders and we agree that there is only one sovereign for the entire territory.

Israel has clear legal claim to the entire territory because that territory has never been divided. Israel clearly meets the four criteria you provided as a "test" of whether a state exists or not. Proof is in the legal border between Israel and Jordan (by treaty -- which means by international law) and between Israel and Egypt (by treaty -- which means by international law).

We agree that there are legal borders and we agree that there is only one sovereign for the entire territory.

Occupations do not acquire sovereignty.

Look it up.