Israeli Settlers Teach Their Children To Kill Early

[georgephillip]

In the mean time, the PA has self government in the autonomous West Bank areas A and B and is only prevented from having it in Gaza by Hamas.

The West Bank isn't autonomous. There are over 500 checkpoints and roadblocks in that area managed by the IDF restricting the movements of all Palestinian's who live there. That's not autonomy.

Palestinian's have died because Israeli's wouldn't allow them passage through a checkpoint to get to the hospital. Autonomy my ass!

None of this is true. There is only one checkpoint now within the West Bank although there are several between the West Bank and Israel. As a response to the second intifada there had been as many as 600, but as the number of attempted terrorist attacks decreased so did the number of checkpoints. There were never any checkpoints within the autonomous regions of Areas A and B.

Do you have any links?

"In September 2011, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said there were 522 roadblocks and checkpoints obstructing Palestinian movement in the West Bank, up from 503 in July 2010. That number does not include the temporary checkpoints known as 'flying checkpoints,' of which there were 495 on average per month in the West Bank in 2011, up from 351 on average per month in the previous two years."

Israeli checkpoint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

there is nothing "illegal" about the occupation just as there was nothing "illegal" about the USA occupation of Japan In fact the USA occupation of Japan was FAR MORE illegal since Japan formerly SURRENDERED The jihadists pigs of the world are still AT WAR with Israel LEGALLY Israel can bomb the pigs ---to facilitate surrender just as the USA did to Japan and just as the RAF did to Berlin Terrorist experts claim that the next terrorist attack is inevitable. It would be good if no more people were killed by that which you advocate and adore-----but if any one dies, may you and yours be the beneficiares of actions of jihadist slut with bomb on stinking ass

of course---your statement does support Israel's right to shoot them in the head and not just check them------resisting yes---resisting the right of jews to NOT LIVE under the stink and filth you adore----the FILTH of the SHARIAH SHIT -----are you still mourning the LOST OF THE MOGHUL EMPIRE and the islamic RIGHT to enslave hindus?

"Israel's illegal actions in the occupied Palestinian territories are multiple beginning with (1) the outright annexation of East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, (2) the widespread placement of substantial illegal Israeli civilian settlements throughout the occupied territories (3) connected by Israeli-use only roads, and (4) the construction of a wall/fence throughout the West Bank virtually destroying the communities it cuts through or surrounds, both of which create a condition of de facto annexation which significantly interferes with the Palestinian people's rights to self-determination and their human rights, (5) the significant transformation of the local legal system in the territories giving the Israeli settlements special privileges and legally and financially linking them to Israel, and then establishing a separate governing system for the Palestinian population centers which both oppresses them and exploits them thus also violating their human rights and inalienable right of self-determination."

Illegal Military Occupation

 

[Billo_Really]

None of this is true. There is only one checkpoint now within the West Bank although there are several between the West Bank and Israel. As a response to the second intifada there had been as many as 600, but as the number of attempted terrorist attacks decreased so did the number of checkpoints. There were never any checkpoints within the autonomous regions of Areas A and B.

So you say it's not true?

Here's a map of the checkpoints.



And here's a UN update on the subject of movement and restrictions in the West Bank...

WEST BANK MOVEMENT AND ACCESS UPDATE
September 2012

The period between July 2011 and June 2012 (hereafter: the reporting period) was characterized by mixed trends regarding the system of internal movement and access restrictions implemented by the Israeli authorities within the occupied West Bank. A series of significant easing measures improved the connectivity between several villages and the nearest city and service center, and facilitated access to East Jerusalem through one of the main Barrier checkpoints. However, little change was registered in the restrictions affecting Palestinian access to large rural areas, including those located behind the Barrier, in the Jordan Valley, and in the vicinity of Israeli settlements; movement within the Israeli-controlled part of Hebron City also remained severely restricted. Overall, the system of internal movement restrictions has continued to contribute to the fragmentation of the West Bank, impacting the daily lives of Palestinians.

So apparently, there's a few more restrictions in that area than you are claiming.

 

[georgephillip]

More bullshit. With regard to its citizens, the PA passes whatever laws it wants.

Does the PA control its airspace?
How about natural resources like water?
Who controls its "borders?"
Is the PA sovereign in the same sense as Israel and the US?

Just answer the question, Princess.
Are you arguing the PA represents a sovereign state?
Indeed they do not and they have themselves to blame.
Palestinians Try To Resurrect a UN Resolution They Violently Rejected
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kYCoDA&usg=AFQjCNHOvyD8LHKwQ05lBMgTjLtbNpAAmQ

I'm arguing that PA stands for Pathic Appendage.
Something you should have a special feel for.

Now tell me what moral authority the UN had to "apportion" any of the land of Mandate Palestine?

"In a statement marking the day this year, Richard Falk, the U.N.’s controversial 'special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories,' accused Israel of pursuing 'invidious schemes to permanently empty Palestine of Palestinians. This prolonged human catastrophe must be brought to an end once and for all. Only then can the rights of Palestinians can be realized.'”

Palestinians Try to Resurrect a U.N. Resolution They Violently Rejected 64 Years Ago | CNSNews.com

Where would the Jewish State be without Transfer?

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel said they would remove 50 out of the 500 checkpoints. That's all.

BTW, here's one of those checkpoints...


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QorJMPtz1Fw&playnext=1&list=PL7A7C64B5AFB78A72&feature=results_video]Shocking Clip: Israeli Checkpoint Cruelty - YouTube[/ame]

 

[MHunterB]

"you people do not even know what you want, other than to bitch and moan 24/7, and complain about how much you are picked on and call other people names all the fucking time if they don't agree with everything you say."


Golly, Seal! You've pretty much described your own self there!

 

[toomuchtime_]

Israel said they would remove 50 out of the 500 checkpoints. That's all.

BTW, here's one of those checkpoints...


Shocking Clip: Israeli Checkpoint Cruelty - YouTube

In response to the second intifada there were as many as 600 checkpoints, now there is only one.

 

[docmauser1]

Israeli settlers teach their children to kill early.

Who the eff is "early"!?

 

[toomuchtime_]

None of this is true. There is only one checkpoint now within the West Bank although there are several between the West Bank and Israel. As a response to the second intifada there had been as many as 600, but as the number of attempted terrorist attacks decreased so did the number of checkpoints. There were never any checkpoints within the autonomous regions of Areas A and B.

So you say it's not true?

Here's a map of the checkpoints.



And here's a UN update on the subject of movement and restrictions in the West Bank...

WEST BANK MOVEMENT AND ACCESS UPDATE
September 2012

The period between July 2011 and June 2012 (hereafter: the reporting period) was characterized by mixed trends regarding the system of internal movement and access restrictions implemented by the Israeli authorities within the occupied West Bank. A series of significant easing measures improved the connectivity between several villages and the nearest city and service center, and facilitated access to East Jerusalem through one of the main Barrier checkpoints. However, little change was registered in the restrictions affecting Palestinian access to large rural areas, including those located behind the Barrier, in the Jordan Valley, and in the vicinity of Israeli settlements; movement within the Israeli-controlled part of Hebron City also remained severely restricted. Overall, the system of internal movement restrictions has continued to contribute to the fragmentation of the West Bank, impacting the daily lives of Palestinians.

So apparently, there's a few more restrictions in that area than you are claiming.

It refers to checkpoints on the borders, which all countries have, and checkpoints at the entrances of Israeli communities. All but one of the checkpoints within the West Bank have been removed. Netanyahu has committed himself to considering an eventual Palestinian state but not an immediate one, and in support of his position he has sought to improve conditions for the Palestinian Arabs in the West Bank by removing checkpoints and building new roads for the Palestinian Arabs to use, believing that a more prosperous West Bank will be a more peaceful West Bank.

It is to Israel's benefit to see prosperity return to the West Bank, but while security conditions have improved enough to remove the checkpoints within the West Bank, they have not improved enough to allow the free movement of goods and people that the Palestinian Arabs and Israelis enjoyed before the second intifada and the determined efforts of Abbas and Fayyad to separate the Palestinian Arab economy from the Israeli economy has made it impossible for the kind of Palestinian Arab-Israeli joint ventures that contributed so much to the economy of the West Bank before the second intifada.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The West Bank isn't autonomous. There are over 500 checkpoints and roadblocks in that area managed by the IDF restricting the movements of all Palestinian's who live there. That's not autonomy.

Palestinian's have died because Israeli's wouldn't allow them passage through a checkpoint to get to the hospital. Autonomy my ass!

None of this is true. There is only one checkpoint now within the West Bank although there are several between the West Bank and Israel. As a response to the second intifada there had been as many as 600, but as the number of attempted terrorist attacks decreased so did the number of checkpoints. There were never any checkpoints within the autonomous regions of Areas A and B.

Do you have any links?

"In September 2011, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said there were 522 roadblocks and checkpoints obstructing Palestinian movement in the West Bank, up from 503 in July 2010. That number does not include the temporary checkpoints known as 'flying checkpoints,' of which there were 495 on average per month in the West Bank in 2011, up from 351 on average per month in the previous two years."

Israeli checkpoint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yet in September 2012 OCHA identified checkpoints only on the borders and at the entrances of Israeli West Bank communities.

West Bank: Movement and access update, September 2012 - OCHA report (12 September 2012)

 

[docmauser1]

Palestinians Try to Resurrect a U.N. Resolution They Violently Rejected 64 Years Ago | CNSNews.com

We're sure Las Vegas knows such types, who bet and lost and demand the money be returned to them. Sad folks, those palistanians.

 

[Hossfly]

Israeli settlers teach their children to kill early.

Who the eff is "early"!?

"Early" used to be named "Will" but got tired of people yelling "Fire at Will" so he made the switch.

 

[Billo_Really]

It refers to checkpoints on the borders, which all countries have, and checkpoints at the entrances of Israeli communities.

The border is the Green Line and there are a lot more checkpoints shown on that map than that. And those "Israeli communities" are illegal.

All but one of the checkpoints within the West Bank have been removed.

Not true. Israel said it would remove 50. That leaves about 450 left.

Netanyahu has committed himself to considering an eventual Palestinian state but not an immediate one, and in support of his position he has sought to improve conditions for the Palestinian Arabs in the West Bank by removing checkpoints and building new roads for the Palestinian Arabs to use, believing that a more prosperous West Bank will be a more peaceful West Bank.

It's not his call. A Palestinian state is between the Pals and the UN. Israel cannot dictate the nature and conditions of a Palestinian state. The Pals have an inherent right to self-determination. Which means, it's none of Israel's business.

It is to Israel's benefit to see prosperity return to the West Bank, but while security conditions have improved enough to remove the checkpoints within the West Bank, they have not improved enough to allow the free movement of goods and people that the Palestinian Arabs and Israelis enjoyed before the second intifada and the determined efforts of Abbas and Fayyad to separate the Palestinian Arab economy from the Israeli economy has made it impossible for the kind of Palestinian Arab-Israeli joint ventures that contributed so much to the economy of the West Bank before the second intifada.

Israel needs to end the occupation and start honoring international law. Then you'll have peace.

 

[Billo_Really]

Yet in September 2012 OCHA identified checkpoints only on the borders and at the entrances of Israeli West Bank communities.

West Bank: Movement and access update, September 2012 - OCHA report (12 September 2012)

That's the same link I posted and it doesn't say what you claim it said. In fact, I posted the relevent part of that link in my response to you. Didn't you read it?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Yet in September 2012 OCHA identified checkpoints only on the borders and at the entrances of Israeli West Bank communities.

West Bank: Movement and access update, September 2012 - OCHA report (12 September 2012)

That's the same link I posted and it doesn't say what you claim it said. In fact, I posted the relevent part of that link in my response to you. Didn't you read it?

I read it an that's what it said. It did not identify any checkpoints other than those on the borders and those at the entrances to Israeli West Bank communities. Thanks for the link.

 

[Billo_Really]

I read it an that's what it said. It did not identify any checkpoints other than those on the borders and those at the entrances to Israeli West Bank communities. Thanks for the link.

It said some easing of restrictions have occured, but overall, the majority of restrictions throughout the West Bank are still there.

Overall, the system of internal movement restrictions has continued to contribute to the fragmentation of the West Bank, impacting the daily lives of Palestinians.

So no, not much has changed.

 

[docmauser1]

The border is the Green Line and there are a lot more checkpoints shown on that map than that.

Even honorable P F Tinmore says the so-called "green line" isn't a border, and we tend to believe him wholeheartedly, of course.

And those "Israeli communities" are illegal.

Ah, Israel forgot to ask the progressive international community for building permits. heh

Israel said it would remove 50. That leaves about 450 left.

Good, a Fawzi Kaboom should be kept in check, of course.

A Palestinian state is between the Pals and the UN. Israel cannot dictate the nature and conditions of a Palestinian state. The Pals have an inherent right to self-determination. Which means, it's none of Israel's business.

Cool! That absolves Israel of anything for all intents and purposes, of course.

Israel needs to end the occupation and start honoring international law.

It's the UN occupation now, isn't it?

 

[toastman]

loinboy and georgephillip, I have a simple question for you that requires an answer of just 'yes' or 'no':

Do you really believe that there would be so many checkpoints that are heavily guarded had Hamas and other terrorist groups not sent suicide bombers into Israel and used those roads to transport weapons.

YES OR NO

 

[toomuchtime_]

I read it an that's what it said. It did not identify any checkpoints other than those on the borders and those at the entrances to Israeli West Bank communities. Thanks for the link.

It said some easing of restrictions have occured, but overall, the majority of restrictions throughout the West Bank are still there.

Overall, the system of internal movement restrictions has continued to contribute to the fragmentation of the West Bank, impacting the daily lives of Palestinians.

So no, not much has changed.

Yet again, the only checkpoints it identified where on the borders and at the entrances of Israeli West Bank communities.

 

[SAYIT]

Israeli settlers teach their children to kill early.

Who the eff is "early"!?

If you're gonna kill you must do it early. That's in the Talmud or the Elders of Zion or something.