Israeli Settlers Teach Their Children To Kill Early

[SAYIT]

Israel is the only nuclear power in the ME? You're crazy. Israel is not even slightly CLOSE to have any nuclear power, over ANYONE. You base your claim on rumors. We all heard rumors of Israeli neclear. Fact is, nobody knows anything, not even us Israelis. so saying WE are the only neclear power around, when evil regimes like Iran show off their threat for the entire world to see, AND threat Israeli directly, that makes your claim incredibely rediculous.

What threat is that? Iran is not threatening to attack anyone, but Israel is.

And don't bullshit me, Israel's got about 200-400 nukes.

If true and if, as we are told, they have had them for decades then Israel has already proven responsible enough to have 'em.

 

[SAYIT]

I don't know about Ha'aretz, and I don't watch fox. But taking news about Israel from people who run al Jazeera is like taking news about the USA from AlQuaeda.com.

It depends on the context.

If you asked Bin Laden in the 1980's, "who's paying you to fight the Russian's in Afghanistan?" You don't think he'd be a credible source by saying, "the CIA"?

Now you're bein' fuckin' stupid.

 

[SAYIT]

I don't know, and niether do you, so don't pretend to be a CIA guy.

And Israel never threatened anyone, while Iran threatened Israel directly, and continue to do so every day.

Oh c'mon! What's Bibi been saying for the last 10 months?

What has Ahmadinejad been saying since 2005?

 

[SAYIT]

The basic premise is if you attack your neighbor you may lose and there are other opinions which support the claim that the Arabs were not widely expelled.
"However, historian Benny Morris states that most of Palestine's 700,000 "refugees" fled because of the "flail of war" and expected to return home shortly after a successful Arab invasion. He documents how all around Palestine, Arab leaders advised the evacuation of entire communities as happened in Haifa, 1948.[83] Morris considers the displacement the result of a national conflict initiated by the Arabs themselves.[83]
(Efraim) Karsh notes that the Palestinians were themselves the aggressors in the 1948-49 war who attempted to "cleanse" a neighboring ethnic community. Had the United Nations resolution of November 29, 1947, which called for two states in Palestine, not been subverted by force by the Arab world, there would have been no refugee problem in the first place. He reports of large numbers of Palestinian refugees leaving even before the outbreak of the 1948 war because of disillusionment and economic privation. The British High Commissioner for Palestine spoke of the "collapsing Arab morale in Palestine" that he partially attributed to the "increasing tendency of those who should be leading them to leave the country" and the considerable evacuations of the Arab effendi class. Huge numbers of Palestinians were also expelled by their leadership to prevent them from becoming Israeli citizens and in Haifa and Tiberias, tens of thousands of Arabs were forcibly evacuated on the instructions of the Arab Higher Committee.[84]

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If that was true, then why was there no recorded outbreaks of violence between the two groups until the zionists showed up?

But there are many recorded outbreaks of Arab attacks on their Jewish neighbors prior to the establishment of the modern state of Israel, Princess.

With the outcome of First World War, the relations between Zionism and the Arab national movement seemed to be potentially friendly, and the Faisal–Weizmann Agreement created a framework for both aspirations to coexist on former Ottoman Empire's territories. However, with the defeat and dissolution of the Arab Kingdom of Syria in July 1920, following the Franco-Syrian War, a crisis fell upon the Damascus-based Arab national movement. Return of several hard-line Palestinian Arab nationalists, under the emerging leadership of Haj Amin al-Husseini, from Damascus to Mandatory Palestine marked the beginning of Palestinian Arab nationalist struggle towards establishment of national home for Arabs of Palestine. Amin al-Husseini, the architect of the Palestinian Arab national movement, immediately marked Jewish national movement and Jewish immigration to Palestine as the sole enemy to his cause,[9] initiating large-scale riots against the Jews as early as 1920 in Jerusalem and in 1921 in Jaffa.

Israeli

 

[SAYIT]

That was the King David Hotel, Princess, and are you implying that the Arabs had not for decades been engaged in a war on the regions Jews?

That is correct...

Then clearly you know nothing of the history of the conflict.
"In the early 1930s, the Arab national struggle in Palestine had drawn many Arab nationalist militants from across the Middle East, most notably Sheikh Izaddin al-Qassam from Syria, who established the Black Hand terrorist group and had prepared the grounds for the 1936 Arab revolt. Following, the death of al-Qassam by the hands of the British in late 1935, the tensions erupted in 1936 into the Arab general strike and general boycott. The strike soon deteriorated into violence and the bloody revolt against the British and the Jews."

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[georgephillip]

"The history of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict has its roots in the late 19th century, turned violent in 1920 and continues to the present day. The end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century are marked by the birth of two major nationalist movements among the Jews and among the Arabs, both geared towards attaining sovereignty for their people in the Middle East.

Do you think it's a coincidence that 1920 was about the time the Royal Navy switched from coal to oil to power its fleets?

Maybe that's what Sir Ronald Storrs had in mind in 1922 when he proclaimed a Jewish homeland would afford England a little loyal Jewish Ulster in the heart of Arab oil?

History of the Israeli

 

[SAYIT]

"The history of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict has its roots in the late 19th century, turned violent in 1920 and continues to the present day. The end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century are marked by the birth of two major nationalist movements among the Jews and among the Arabs, both geared towards attaining sovereignty for their people in the Middle East.

Do you think it's a coincidence that 1920 was about the time the Royal Navy switched from coal to oil to power its fleets?

Maybe that's what Sir Ronald Storrs had in mind in 1922 when he proclaimed a Jewish homeland would afford England a little loyal Jewish Ulster in the heart of Arab oil?

History of the Israeli

You can blame the Brits or you can blame the world's major powers but ranting about Israel taking advantage of the opportunity offered by UN 181 while the Arabs "just said no" smacks of sour grapes.

 

[georgephillip]

"The history of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict has its roots in the late 19th century, turned violent in 1920 and continues to the present day. The end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century are marked by the birth of two major nationalist movements among the Jews and among the Arabs, both geared towards attaining sovereignty for their people in the Middle East.

Do you think it's a coincidence that 1920 was about the time the Royal Navy switched from coal to oil to power its fleets?

Maybe that's what Sir Ronald Storrs had in mind in 1922 when he proclaimed a Jewish homeland would afford England a little loyal Jewish Ulster in the heart of Arab oil?

History of the Israeli

You can blame the Brits or you can blame the world's major powers but ranting about Israel taking advantage of the opportunity offered by UN 181 while the Arabs "just said no" smacks of sour grapes.

Arabs were never confused about Israel's "historic goal", why are you?

"Ben-Gurion said he wanted to 'concentrate the masses of our people in this country [Palestine] and its environs.'[21]

"When he proposed accepting the Peel proposals in 1937, which included a Jewish state in part of Palestine, Ben-Gurion told the twentieth Zionist Congress, 'The Jewish state now being offered to us is not the Zionist objective. [...] But it can serve as a decisive stage along the path to greater Zionist implementation. It will consolidate in Palestine, within the shortest possible time, the real Jewish force, which will lead us to our historic goal'.[22]

"In a discussion in the Jewish Agency he said that he wanted a Jewish-Arab agreement 'on the assumption that after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine.'"[23]

History of the Israeli

 

[SAYIT]

"The history of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict has its roots in the late 19th century, turned violent in 1920 and continues to the present day. The end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century are marked by the birth of two major nationalist movements among the Jews and among the Arabs, both geared towards attaining sovereignty for their people in the Middle East.

Do you think it's a coincidence that 1920 was about the time the Royal Navy switched from coal to oil to power its fleets?

Maybe that's what Sir Ronald Storrs had in mind in 1922 when he proclaimed a Jewish homeland would afford England a little loyal Jewish Ulster in the heart of Arab oil?

History of the Israeli

You can blame the Brits or you can blame the world's major powers but ranting about Israel taking advantage of the opportunity offered by UN 181 while the Arabs "just said no" smacks of sour grapes.

Arabs were never confused about Israel's "historic goal", why are you?

"Ben-Gurion said he wanted to 'concentrate the masses of our people in this country [Palestine] and its environs.'[21]

"When he proposed accepting the Peel proposals in 1937, which included a Jewish state in part of Palestine, Ben-Gurion told the twentieth Zionist Congress, 'The Jewish state now being offered to us is not the Zionist objective. [...] But it can serve as a decisive stage along the path to greater Zionist implementation. It will consolidate in Palestine, within the shortest possible time, the real Jewish force, which will lead us to our historic goal'.[22]

"In a discussion in the Jewish Agency he said that he wanted a Jewish-Arab agreement 'on the assumption that after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine.'"[23]

History of the Israeli

From the same source:
"From 1920, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni became the leader of the Palestinian Arab movement and played a key role in inciting religious riots against the Jewish population in Palestine.[19] The Mufti stirred religious passions against Jews by alleging that Jews were seeking to rebuild the Jewish Temple on the site of the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque. He tried to gain control of the Western Wall (the Kotel), saying that it was sacred to the Muslims.[19]

The first major riots against the Jewish population in Palestine were the Jaffa riots in 1921. As a result of the Jaffa riots, the Haganah was founded as a defense force for the Jewish population of the British Mandate for Palestine. Religious tension over the Kotel and the escalation of the tensions between the Arab and Jewish populations led to the 1929 Palestine riots. In these religious-nationalist riots, Jews were massacred in Hebron."

 

[Billo_Really]

Now you're bein' fuckin' stupid.

WTF you talking about? al Qaeda is a CIA creation.

They did it so they could fuck with the Soviets in Afghanistan.

 

[Billo_Really]

What has Ahmadinejad been saying since 2005?

Just locker room chest thumping that he can't back up.

 

[Billo_Really]

We do know they are doing something wrong. Thatt's the whole point

Then provide the smoking gun.

 

[Hossfly]

Now you're bein' fuckin' stupid.

WTF you talking about? al Qaeda is a CIA creation.

They did it so they could fuck with the Soviets in Afghanistan.

al-Qaeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Billo_Really]

That's not what you said.
You did say that "God is not going to choose racist, arrogant, assholes who think their shit don't stink, over kind, decent people who treat others in accordance with God's laws," as if you know God's mind.

I do. Don't forget, I'm a Catholic. Which means, I outrank you! Do not comment on things above your pay grade.

 

[Billo_Really]

not according to many Muslims. According to them, Jews are filthy pigs

Well, they need to be careful about that kind of stuff. Because even though they call HIM by a different name, it all goes back to the same guy.

 

[SAYIT]

Now you're bein' fuckin' stupid.

WTF you talking about? al Qaeda is a CIA creation.

They did it so they could fuck with the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Camel crap. The Soviets were leaving Afghanistan at just about the same time Bin Laden was establishing al Qaeda (to fuck with the Americans).

 

[georgephillip]

You can blame the Brits or you can blame the world's major powers but ranting about Israel taking advantage of the opportunity offered by UN 181 while the Arabs "just said no" smacks of sour grapes.

Arabs were never confused about Israel's "historic goal", why are you?

"Ben-Gurion said he wanted to 'concentrate the masses of our people in this country [Palestine] and its environs.'[21]

"When he proposed accepting the Peel proposals in 1937, which included a Jewish state in part of Palestine, Ben-Gurion told the twentieth Zionist Congress, 'The Jewish state now being offered to us is not the Zionist objective. [...] But it can serve as a decisive stage along the path to greater Zionist implementation. It will consolidate in Palestine, within the shortest possible time, the real Jewish force, which will lead us to our historic goal'.[22]

"In a discussion in the Jewish Agency he said that he wanted a Jewish-Arab agreement 'on the assumption that after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine.'"[23]

History of the Israeli

From the same source:
"From 1920, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni became the leader of the Palestinian Arab movement and played a key role in inciting religious riots against the Jewish population in Palestine.[19] The Mufti stirred religious passions against Jews by alleging that Jews were seeking to rebuild the Jewish Temple on the site of the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque. He tried to gain control of the Western Wall (the Kotel), saying that it was sacred to the Muslims.[19]

The first major riots against the Jewish population in Palestine were the Jaffa riots in 1921. As a result of the Jaffa riots, the Haganah was founded as a defense force for the Jewish population of the British Mandate for Palestine. Religious tension over the Kotel and the escalation of the tensions between the Arab and Jewish populations led to the 1929 Palestine riots. In these religious-nationalist riots, Jews were massacred in Hebron."

The Grand Mufti was well aware of the Balfour Declaration and its designs on Arab oil.
The Jews were flooding into Palestine with their "historic goal" in plane sight.
Had the UN called for elections in 1948 it's highly unlikely there would be a Jewish homeland in the heart of Arab oil today; instead a Semitic Union, stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates, might have solved the problems of Jewish homelessness and Arab nationalism with a fraction of the violence that the state of Israel has brought.

 

[SAYIT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Lipush
I don't know, and niether do you, so don't pretend to be a CIA guy.

from: Lipush
And Israel never threatened anyone, while Iran threatened Israel directly, and continue to do so every day.

from: LoinCloth
Oh c'mon! What's Bibi been saying for the last 10 months?

What has Ahmadinejihad been saying since 2005?

Just locker room chest thumping that he can't back up.

Maybe not today.

 

[SAYIT]

Arabs were never confused about Israel's "historic goal", why are you?

"Ben-Gurion said he wanted to 'concentrate the masses of our people in this country [Palestine] and its environs.'[21]

"When he proposed accepting the Peel proposals in 1937, which included a Jewish state in part of Palestine, Ben-Gurion told the twentieth Zionist Congress, 'The Jewish state now being offered to us is not the Zionist objective. [...] But it can serve as a decisive stage along the path to greater Zionist implementation. It will consolidate in Palestine, within the shortest possible time, the real Jewish force, which will lead us to our historic goal'.[22]

"In a discussion in the Jewish Agency he said that he wanted a Jewish-Arab agreement 'on the assumption that after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine.'"[23]

History of the Israeli

From the same source:
"From 1920, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni became the leader of the Palestinian Arab movement and played a key role in inciting religious riots against the Jewish population in Palestine.[19] The Mufti stirred religious passions against Jews by alleging that Jews were seeking to rebuild the Jewish Temple on the site of the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque. He tried to gain control of the Western Wall (the Kotel), saying that it was sacred to the Muslims.[19]

The first major riots against the Jewish population in Palestine were the Jaffa riots in 1921. As a result of the Jaffa riots, the Haganah was founded as a defense force for the Jewish population of the British Mandate for Palestine. Religious tension over the Kotel and the escalation of the tensions between the Arab and Jewish populations led to the 1929 Palestine riots. In these religious-nationalist riots, Jews were massacred in Hebron."

The Grand Mufti was well aware of the Balfour Declaration and its designs on Arab oil.
The Jews were flooding into Palestine with their "historic goal" in plane sight.
Had the UN called for elections in 1948 it's highly unlikely there would be a Jewish homeland in the heart of Arab oil today; instead a Semitic Union, stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates, might have solved the problems of Jewish homelessness and Arab nationalism with a fraction of the violence that the state of Israel has brought.

Source?

 

[Billo_Really]

Camel crap. The Soviets were leaving Afghanistan at just about the same time Bin Laden was establishing al Qaeda (to fuck with the Americans).

Why do you think they were leaving?

The story of bin Laden is the story of the secret CIA/ISI insurgent camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan. According to Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, Osama was 22 years old in 1979, when he was trained in a CIA sponsored guerilla training camp near Peshawar, Pakistan.

“Bin Laden family was put in charge of raising money for the Islamic brigades. Numerous charities and foundations were created. The operation was coordinated by Saudi intelligence, headed by Prince Turki al-Faisal, in close liaison with the CIA. The money derived from the various charities was used to finance the recruitment of Mujahedeen volunteers. Al Qaeda, the base in Arabic was a data bank of volunteers who had enlisted to fight in the Afghan jihad. That data base was initially held by Osama bin Laden.”

Do you follow me so far?

“The database of Islamic fighters that was collected by the program was labeled n Arabic, ‘Q eidat ilmu’ti’aat’, which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word ‘Al Qaida” which is the Arabic word for ‘base.’”

Que pasa, mutha?