Israel's "Right to Exist"?

[psed007]

I don't understand the discussion of this issue. The first jewish temple was build in 957 BCE. That is around 2969 years ago. Furthermore israel has around 8 Million population. 2 millions are non jewish citizens. Would like to see this ratio in arab countries. Around 830 BC !!! (thats 2842 years ago) the territory were divided by 3 land. The kingdom of ISRAEL. The kingdom of JUDAH and of course the philistine states the "Philistine Pentapolis" (thats where the gaza strip is now). Beside the philistines have a little common with the modern palestinian people. Why this is so hard to understand ? I think the problem is that the people denying their history furthermore they take any historic events as a lie !?!?!. They claim they have the right for something by history but don't take care about history. That is a bit Schizophren. People want to have peace but they would like to kill all jews also. If arabs would lay down their weapons there would be peace, if the israelis would lay down thier weapons they would be dead. Very simple. Arabs are a little behind in our history. Around 500 years. They have to learn what is peace and human rights. But we can not allow them to develop as the like, because we would have more dead people. Just look the governments they established. Terrible!!! The only solution to the problem would be: Modern palestinians stop they criminal activities and start working towards an own state. If you wanna have freedom work for it !!!

 

[pbel]

I don't understand the discussion of this issue. The first jewish temple was build in 957 BCE. That is around 2969 years ago. Furthermore israel has around 8 Million population. 2 millions are non jewish citizens. Would like to see this ratio in arab countries. Around 830 BC !!! (thats 2842 years ago) the territory were divided by 3 land. The kingdom of ISRAEL. The kingdom of JUDAH and of course the philistine states the "Philistine Pentapolis" (thats where the gaza strip is now). Beside the philistines have a little common with the modern palestinian people. Why this is so hard to understand ? I think the problem is that the people denying their history furthermore they take any historic events as a lie !?!?!. They claim they have the right for something by history but don't take care about history. That is a bit Schizophren. People want to have peace but they would like to kill all jews also. If arabs would lay down their weapons there would be peace, if the israelis would lay down thier weapons they would be dead. Very simple. Arabs are a little behind in our history. Around 500 years. They have to learn what is peace and human rights. But we can not allow them to develop as the like, because we would have more dead people. Just look the governments they established. Terrible!!! The only solution to the problem would be: Modern palestinians stop they criminal activities and start working towards an own state. If you wanna have freedom work for it !!!

The problem with your analysis is that you compare apples with turnips or Western educated Israelis with Arab Culture which may yet Democratize, but have been held back by the yoke of Western Colonialisms...

Also the ancient claim to the land is so ludicrous that to accept that claim would literally shuffle all of Earths Political borders.

Israel needs to accept a two state solution...the Arabs are not going to be cowered by a Western Colonial outpost...Israel needs to become part of the fabric of the ME by peace, trading and even teaching their enemies to prosper as they have...

Then the Arabs will love them.

 

[irosie91]

Arab Culture which may yet Democratize, but have been held back by the yoke of Western Colonialisms...

you got that one ALMOST right-----now try again----

THE REASON ARABS HAVE BEEN SO BARBARIC AND ILLITERATE FOR THE PAST 1400 YEARS IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN OPPRESSED BY THE ZIONIST CONTROLLED CIA. IF NOT FOR THE WICKED MACHINATIONS OF THE ZIONIST CONTROLLED CIA, MUHUMMAD WOULD HAVE BEEN A HARVARD TRAINED LAWYER

 

[docmauser1]

The Palestinians were at home, minding their own business, when the Zionists came from Europe to take over the country.

If palistanians had been sitting at home, minding their own business, they'd still have been in "their countries", of course.

Of course, if religion was never INVENTED, there would be no problems.

And no law as we know it, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

The problem with your analysis is that you compare apples with turnips or Western educated Israelis with Arab Culture which may yet Democratize, but have been held back by the yoke of Western Colonialisms...

The use of the word "may" is cool, of course. But for now the EuroNews channel aired a fem demonstration in Tunisia, protesting a proposed curtailing of the fem rights. Dooh, bubbah.

Also the ancient claim to the land is so ludicrous that to accept that claim would literally shuffle all of Earths Political borders.

Let us recall an interesting resolution 242, "Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war ..." etc,. According to the "inadmissibility", originating from the Briand-Kellogg pact, the EU and russians borders must be redrawn to their pre-war status, and it doesn't matter, if anyone disputes them, or not. Once the inadmissibility is envoked, the euros should be running redrawing borders, otherwise, the concept, exclusively applied to Israel (which isn't even a signatory to the Briand-Kellogg), is both bogus and a bogus excuse, of course.

Israel needs to accept a two state solution...

Wishes of others aren't israeli needs, of course. And since palistanians want a state a jewish one too, it's a no-solution.

the Arabs are not going to be cowered by a Western Colonial outpost...Israel needs to become part of the fabric of the ME by peace, trading and even teaching their enemies to prosper as they have...Then the Arabs will love them.

Once arabs dispence with the idea of arab neocolonialism, it'll be allright, of course.

 

[georgephillip]

"The parallels between Israel and Ireland are almost eerie, unless one remembers that the latter was the laboratory for British colonialism.

"As in Ulster, Israeli settlers in the Occupied Territories have special privileges that divide them from Palestinians (and other Israelis as well). As in Ireland, Israeli settlers rely on the military to protect them from the 'natives.'

"And as in Northern Ireland, there are political organizations, like the National Religious Party and the Moledet Party, which whip up sectarian hatred, and keep the population divided.

"The latter two parties both advocate the forcible transfer of all Arabs—Palestinians and Israelis alike—to Jordan and Egypt."

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules | FPIF

 

[docmauser1]

"The parallels between Israel and Ireland are almost eerie, unless one remembers that the latter was the laboratory for British colonialism. "As in Ulster, Israeli settlers in the Occupied Territories have special privileges that divide them from Palestinians (and other Israelis as well). As in Ireland, Israeli settlers rely on the military to protect them from the 'natives.' "And as in Northern Ireland, ... lalalala, fpif.org

fpif - a project of the Soros-funded Institute for Policy Studies.

 

[psed007]

I don't understand the discussion of this issue. The first jewish temple was build in 957 BCE. That is around 2969 years ago. Furthermore israel has around 8 Million population. 2 millions are non jewish citizens. Would like to see this ratio in arab countries. Around 830 BC !!! (thats 2842 years ago) the territory were divided by 3 land. The kingdom of ISRAEL. The kingdom of JUDAH and of course the philistine states the "Philistine Pentapolis" (thats where the gaza strip is now). Beside the philistines have a little common with the modern palestinian people. Why this is so hard to understand ? I think the problem is that the people denying their history furthermore they take any historic events as a lie !?!?!. They claim they have the right for something by history but don't take care about history. That is a bit Schizophren. People want to have peace but they would like to kill all jews also. If arabs would lay down their weapons there would be peace, if the israelis would lay down thier weapons they would be dead. Very simple. Arabs are a little behind in our history. Around 500 years. They have to learn what is peace and human rights. But we can not allow them to develop as the like, because we would have more dead people. Just look the governments they established. Terrible!!! The only solution to the problem would be: Modern palestinians stop they criminal activities and start working towards an own state. If you wanna have freedom work for it !!!

The problem with your analysis is that you compare apples with turnips or Western educated Israelis with Arab Culture which may yet Democratize, but have been held back by the yoke of Western Colonialisms...

Also the ancient claim to the land is so ludicrous that to accept that claim would literally shuffle all of Earths Political borders.

Israel needs to accept a two state solution...the Arabs are not going to be cowered by a Western Colonial outpost...Israel needs to become part of the fabric of the ME by peace, trading and even teaching their enemies to prosper as they have...

Then the Arabs will love them.

Ok. But..it would be like native americans (indians) would claim their own state. So far so good. but (again To claim a state or to establish one are two different things. The palestinian leaders have to f.idea how to manage that. First the have to agree with themselves. Second they have to get money. Third they have to stop all criminal activities on this scale. Fourth they have to gain trust. Where would we end up if all minorities all over the world would claim their own state ?

 

[ima]

If palistanians had been sitting at home, minding their own business, they'd still have been in "their countries", of course.

Of course, if religion was never INVENTED, there would be no problems.

And no law as we know it, of course.

That's like saying we would have never had any scientific discoveries without religion. The two things are not related.

 

[High_Gravity]

I don't understand the discussion of this issue. The first jewish temple was build in 957 BCE. That is around 2969 years ago. Furthermore israel has around 8 Million population. 2 millions are non jewish citizens. Would like to see this ratio in arab countries. Around 830 BC !!! (thats 2842 years ago) the territory were divided by 3 land. The kingdom of ISRAEL. The kingdom of JUDAH and of course the philistine states the "Philistine Pentapolis" (thats where the gaza strip is now). Beside the philistines have a little common with the modern palestinian people. Why this is so hard to understand ? I think the problem is that the people denying their history furthermore they take any historic events as a lie !?!?!. They claim they have the right for something by history but don't take care about history. That is a bit Schizophren. People want to have peace but they would like to kill all jews also. If arabs would lay down their weapons there would be peace, if the israelis would lay down thier weapons they would be dead. Very simple. Arabs are a little behind in our history. Around 500 years. They have to learn what is peace and human rights. But we can not allow them to develop as the like, because we would have more dead people. Just look the governments they established. Terrible!!! The only solution to the problem would be: Modern palestinians stop they criminal activities and start working towards an own state. If you wanna have freedom work for it !!!

The problem with your analysis is that you compare apples with turnips or Western educated Israelis with Arab Culture which may yet Democratize, but have been held back by the yoke of Western Colonialisms...

Also the ancient claim to the land is so ludicrous that to accept that claim would literally shuffle all of Earths Political borders.

Israel needs to accept a two state solution...the Arabs are not going to be cowered by a Western Colonial outpost...Israel needs to become part of the fabric of the ME by peace, trading and even teaching their enemies to prosper as they have...

Then the Arabs will love them.

Ok. But..it would be like native americans (indians) would claim their own state. So far so good. but (again To claim a state or to establish one are two different things. The palestinian leaders have to f.idea how to manage that. First the have to agree with themselves. Second they have to get money. Third they have to stop all criminal activities on this scale. Fourth they have to gain trust. Where would we end up if all minorities all over the world would claim their own state ?

The Palestinians right now are surviving off the aid moneys given by other countries, how would they be if the gravy train stopped?

 

[ima]

The problem with your analysis is that you compare apples with turnips or Western educated Israelis with Arab Culture which may yet Democratize, but have been held back by the yoke of Western Colonialisms...

Also the ancient claim to the land is so ludicrous that to accept that claim would literally shuffle all of Earths Political borders.

Israel needs to accept a two state solution...the Arabs are not going to be cowered by a Western Colonial outpost...Israel needs to become part of the fabric of the ME by peace, trading and even teaching their enemies to prosper as they have...

Then the Arabs will love them.

Ok. But..it would be like native americans (indians) would claim their own state. So far so good. but (again To claim a state or to establish one are two different things. The palestinian leaders have to f.idea how to manage that. First the have to agree with themselves. Second they have to get money. Third they have to stop all criminal activities on this scale. Fourth they have to gain trust. Where would we end up if all minorities all over the world would claim their own state ?

The Palestinians right now are surviving off the aid moneys given by other countries, how would they be if the gravy train stopped?

How would Israel survive if the US cut off the gravy train themselves?

 

[docmauser1]

That's like saying we would have never had any scientific discoveries without religion. The two things are not related.

Tenets of religion of atheism, of course.

 

[irosie91]

To be accurate----lots of scientific discoveries are related ----loosely, to religion. The religion of the ancient Egyptians galvanized them to create embalming methods that still dazzle scientists as do their precision techniques in building. The zoroastrians of ancient Persia were into both STARS and FIRE in their religion------and they are the early and very accurate ASTRONOMERS ~~~~la la la la we 3 kings of orient are----bearing gifts etc etc la la la FOLLOWING YONDER STAR The search for the "SOUL" is actually the beginning of lots of medical and human physiology research -------the very early description of "brain waves" (those things read on ELETROENCEPHALOGRAMS) started out as a kind of search for the SOUL (which everyone knows is embedded in the pineal gland)

 

[georgephillip]

"The parallels between Israel and Ireland are almost eerie, unless one remembers that the latter was the laboratory for British colonialism. "As in Ulster, Israeli settlers in the Occupied Territories have special privileges that divide them from Palestinians (and other Israelis as well). As in Ireland, Israeli settlers rely on the military to protect them from the 'natives.' "And as in Northern Ireland, ... lalalala, fpif.org

fpif - a project of the Soros-funded Institute for Policy Studies.

Did Soros induce Begin and Sharon to violate International Law?

"Ariel Sharon and former Prime Minister Menachem Begin normally take credit for creating the 'facts on the ground' policies that have poured more than 420,000 settlers into the Occupied Territories. But they were simply copying Charles I, the English King, who in 1609 forcibly removed the O’Neill and O’Donnell clans from the north of Ireland, moved in 20,000 English and Scottish Protestants, and founded the Plantation of Ulster.

"The 'removal' was never really meant to cleanse Ulster of the Irish. Native labor was essential to the Plantation’s success and within 15 years more than 4,000 native Irish tenants and their families were back in Ulster.

"But they lived in a land divided into religious castes, with the Protestant invaders on top and the Catholic natives on the bottom.

"Protestants were awarded the 'Ulster privilege' which gave them special access to land and lower rents, and also served to divide them from the native Catholics. The 'Ulster Privilege' is not dissimilar to the kind of 'privilege' Israeli settlers enjoy in the Territories today, where their mortgages are cheap, their taxes lower and their education subsidized."

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules | FPIF

Any evidence Jewish settlers depend on the IDF for their "Jerusalem privilege today?"

 

[irosie91]

There is very little comparison between the british exploitation of Ireland which has been going on for more than 1000 years and the relationship between the west bank "palestinians: and Israel -------I do not recall Ireland as initiating a war against England 1000 years ago ----well---I mean I never read anything that suggested that happened In Ireland were the Irish screaming DEATH TO THE BRITS for centuries and slitting little english throats? What England did to Ireland was ---without provocation ----enslave it Israel wan a war against arabs which arabs initiated 1400 years ago and counting

 

[georgephillip]

There is very little comparison between the british exploitation of Ireland which has been going on for more than 1000 years and the relationship between the west bank "palestinians: and Israel -------I do not recall Ireland as initiating a war against England 1000 years ago ----well---I mean I never read anything that suggested that happened In Ireland were the Irish screaming DEATH TO THE BRITS for centuries and slitting little english throats? What England did to Ireland was ---without provocation ----enslave it Israel wan a war against arabs which arabs initiated 1400 years ago and counting

1948, rosie.
650,000 Jews imposed a Jewish state by force of arms on 1.2 million Arabs and others.
That crime occurred because western empires, British and US, required a "little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism."

The Racist State of Israel is headed for the same fate as South Africa and Selma, Alabama.
The world is losing its patience with the "Chosen People."

 

[SAYIT]

"The parallels between Israel and Ireland are almost eerie, unless one remembers that the latter was the laboratory for British colonialism.

"As in Ulster, Israeli settlers in the Occupied Territories have special privileges that divide them from Palestinians (and other Israelis as well). As in Ireland, Israeli settlers rely on the military to protect them from the 'natives.'

"And as in Northern Ireland, there are political organizations, like the National Religious Party and the Moledet Party, which whip up sectarian hatred, and keep the population divided.

"The latter two parties both advocate the forcible transfer of all Arabs—Palestinians and Israelis alike—to Jordan and Egypt."

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules | FPIF

So what?
NRP has been defunct for years and Moledat has never had more than 3 (out of 120) members of the Knessett.
Do you suppose those extremist attitudes some Israelis hhold have anything to do with the Intifadas?
Or perhaps they are just a rational response to the Hamas Charter:
"Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and ... are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement."
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."

 

[SAYIT]

I don't understand the discussion of this issue. The first jewish temple was build in 957 BCE. That is around 2969 years ago. Furthermore israel has around 8 Million population. 2 millions are non jewish citizens. Would like to see this ratio in arab countries. Around 830 BC !!! (thats 2842 years ago) the territory were divided by 3 land. The kingdom of ISRAEL. The kingdom of JUDAH and of course the philistine states the "Philistine Pentapolis" (thats where the gaza strip is now). Beside the philistines have a little common with the modern palestinian people. Why this is so hard to understand ? I think the problem is that the people denying their history furthermore they take any historic events as a lie !?!?!. They claim they have the right for something by history but don't take care about history. That is a bit Schizophren. People want to have peace but they would like to kill all jews also. If arabs would lay down their weapons there would be peace, if the israelis would lay down thier weapons they would be dead. Very simple. Arabs are a little behind in our history. Around 500 years. They have to learn what is peace and human rights. But we can not allow them to develop as the like, because we would have more dead people. Just look the governments they established. Terrible!!! The only solution to the problem would be: Modern palestinians stop they criminal activities and start working towards an own state. If you wanna have freedom work for it !!!

The problem with your analysis is that you compare apples with turnips or Western educated Israelis with Arab Culture which may yet Democratize, but have been held back by the yoke of Western Colonialisms...

Really?
Mideast Arab scholars when freed from hang-wringing, bleeding-heart apologists like you readily admit that tribalism, tradition, misogyny, racism, intolerance, self-imposed and strictly enforced ignorance, anti-modernity, and their Arab/Muslim culture is the yoke which enslaves hundreds of millions of their people.
The fact is Chicken Little mother hens like you are the yoke which holds them back.

 

[SAYIT]

There is very little comparison between the british exploitation of Ireland which has been going on for more than 1000 years and the relationship between the west bank "palestinians: and Israel -------I do not recall Ireland as initiating a war against England 1000 years ago ----well---I mean I never read anything that suggested that happened In Ireland were the Irish screaming DEATH TO THE BRITS for centuries and slitting little english throats? What England did to Ireland was ---without provocation ----enslave it Israel wan a war against arabs which arabs initiated 1400 years ago and counting

1948, rosie.
650,000 Jews imposed a Jewish state by force of arms on 1.2 million Arabs and others.

Funny one such as you would mention "force of arms" and 1948 in the same breath:
'Within hours of the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, five of the seven countries of the Arab League at that time, namely Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, backed by Saudi Arabian and Yemenite contingents invaded territory in the former British Mandate of Palestine..."
Obviously the "arms" you mention were that of the combined forces of 7 surrounding Arab states.
1948 Arab

 

[georgephillip]

"The parallels between Israel and Ireland are almost eerie, unless one remembers that the latter was the laboratory for British colonialism.

"As in Ulster, Israeli settlers in the Occupied Territories have special privileges that divide them from Palestinians (and other Israelis as well). As in Ireland, Israeli settlers rely on the military to protect them from the 'natives.'

"And as in Northern Ireland, there are political organizations, like the National Religious Party and the Moledet Party, which whip up sectarian hatred, and keep the population divided.

"The latter two parties both advocate the forcible transfer of all Arabs—Palestinians and Israelis alike—to Jordan and Egypt."

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules | FPIF

So what?
NRP has been defunct for years and Moledat has never had more than 3 (out of 120) members of the Knessett.
Do you suppose those extremist attitudes some Israelis hhold have anything to do with the Intifadas?
Or perhaps they are just a rational response to the Hamas Charter:
"Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and ... are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement."
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."

So racist rabbis employed by the State of Israel are having no problem extending religious fascism among the "chosen people."

"More than 50 of Israel's leading rabbis have issued a religious decree forbidding Jews from renting or selling homes or land to non-Jews – namely, Arabs, migrant workers and African refugees. The letter was signed by rabbis across the country (many of whom are employed by the state as municipal religious leaders) and urged Jews to first warn and then 'ostracise' fellow Jews who disobey the edict.

"It's just the latest wave in a rising tide of religious fascism."

Israeli rabbis' racist decree strikes at the soul of Judaism | Mya Guarnieri | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk