Israel's "Right to Exist"?

[SAYIT]

just what exactly is it?

i hear the term "right to exist" used quite a bit when speaking of israel and occasionally, but very rarely, some other states, but no one really explains it or questions the concept.

i mean, who or what gives israel this right to exist? who conferred it upon israel or was it just expressed generally and is applied to all states and would be states? did israel have a right to exist before it became a state? it would seem that such a right to exist would be universal. is it codified or mentioned in some jurisdictional or international legal system? anywhere? does it have any historical or legal precedent or continuity and, if so, from when? where?

does there ever come a time when such a "right to exist" ceases and, if so, when, where, and how?

personally. i have no idea whether israel, or any state, has a "right to exist." it just seems like a very odd concept with no precedent or standing whatsoever.

A state's right to exist seems to come from the fact that it exists. For instance, while the state of Israel has existed for over 64 years, the state of "Palestine" has never existed. The reason it is such an issue with Israel is that some mindless twits amuse themselves and each other by claiming Israel (and only Israel) has no right to exist. Since Israel is the world's only predominately Jewish state, guess what kind of people do the challenging.
Anyway, I hope that answers your questions.

Either you are historically retarded, or you have been brainwashed by Jewish/Zionist propaganda...I'm guessing an equal measure of both. Palestine has an easily detailed history that is impossible to distort or dismiss, but this reality hardly discourages the vile Jewish revisionists from their crude attempts to occupy living history...as for Israel's "right to exist" please post a reference to this often invoked---yet mysteriously undocumented right...certainly your smug dismissal of any challenge to this fictive right suggests an easy answer...

Evidently you believe your smarmy attitude is a viable cover for your inability to read. I stated clearly that "a state's right to exist seems to come from the fact that it exists" and that this is only an issue because some petty people spend way too much time insisting that Israel (and only Israel) has no right to exist.
Nothing terribly tricky about that. The fact that Israel said "yes" in 1948 and the Arabs said "no" is also part of the history to which you refer, as is this:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!

 

[Sundowner47]

A state's right to exist seems to come from the fact that it exists. For instance, while the state of Israel has existed for over 64 years, the state of "Palestine" has never existed. The reason it is such an issue with Israel is that some mindless twits amuse themselves and each other by claiming Israel (and only Israel) has no right to exist. Since Israel is the world's only predominately Jewish state, guess what kind of people do the challenging.
Anyway, I hope that answers your questions.

Either you are historically retarded, or you have been brainwashed by Jewish/Zionist propaganda...I'm guessing an equal measure of both. Palestine has an easily detailed history that is impossible to distort or dismiss, but this reality hardly discourages the vile Jewish revisionists from their crude attempts to occupy living history...as for Israel's "right to exist" please post a reference to this often invoked---yet mysteriously undocumented right...certainly your smug dismissal of any challenge to this fictive right suggests an easy answer...

Poppycock, twaddle and bloviating without a license.

LOL....may I take the liberty of translating? You have nothing with which to refute my comments, failing a refutation you merely spout idiocy...possibly with training and the right kind of encouragement you can offer some form of refutation...LOL

 

[SAYIT]

We're discussing those who never miss a chance for peace.
That would be Washington and Israel.
Feel free to refute any of Chomsky's content:

"There was one important and revealing break in U.S.-Israeli rejectionism. After the failed Camp David agreements in 2000, President Clinton recognized that the terms he and Israel had proposed were unacceptable to any Palestinians.

"That December, he proposed his 'parameters': imprecise, but more forthcoming. He then stated that both sides had accepted the parameters, while expressing reservations.

"Israeli and Palestinian negotiators met in Taba, Egypt, in January 2001 to resolve the differences and were making considerable progress. In their final press conference, they reported that, with a little more time, they could probably have reached full agreement.

"Israel called off the negotiations prematurely, however, and official progress then terminated, though informal discussions at a high level continued leading to the Geneva Accord, rejected by Israel and ignored by the U.S.

A Middle East Peace That Could Happen (But Won't): In Washington-Speak, "Palestinian State" Means "Fried Chicken"

Sure.
You'll note that Chumpsky excoriates Israel and the US for leaving Taba (Clinton was out and Barak was on his way out) yet cruises by the fact that Arafat had not only slithered away from Camp David a few months earlier but instituted his second intifada which pushed the two sides as far apart as they had ever been and left them with too little time to regroup. Chumpsky is just an anarchist and anti-Israel/anti-American hack.
No wonder people like you dig him.

The Al-Aqsa Intifada began in September 2000 when your pathic soul mate, Sharon, desecrated the third-holiest site of Islam, probably by design since brain-dead shit like you two always prefer war to peace. The Taba Summit took place the following January, and at its conclusion both sides agreed they had never been closer to reaching a final settlement and their shared declaration stated the remaining gaps could be bridged within six weeks after the upcoming Israeli election.

It was the Jews, once again, who never missed the chance to miss a chance at peace.
Maybe their illegal occupation is just too profitable?

Of course, it was former Pres Clinton and Saudi Prince Bandar who said that it was Arafat who "blew up" Taba and that the ensuing intifada had been planned months in advance.
So tell this board how Sharon "desecrated the third-holiest site of Islam."

 

[SAYIT]

Either you are historically retarded, or you have been brainwashed by Jewish/Zionist propaganda...I'm guessing an equal measure of both. Palestine has an easily detailed history that is impossible to distort or dismiss, but this reality hardly discourages the vile Jewish revisionists from their crude attempts to occupy living history...as for Israel's "right to exist" please post a reference to this often invoked---yet mysteriously undocumented right...certainly your smug dismissal of any challenge to this fictive right suggests an easy answer...

Poppycock, twaddle and bloviating without a license.

LOL....may I take the liberty of translating? You have nothing with which to refute my comments, failing a refutation you merely spout idiocy...possibly with training and the right kind of encouragement you can offer some form of refutation...LOL

Just what the world needs ... another pompous jackazz.

 

[Sundowner47]

A state's right to exist seems to come from the fact that it exists. For instance, while the state of Israel has existed for over 64 years, the state of "Palestine" has never existed. The reason it is such an issue with Israel is that some mindless twits amuse themselves and each other by claiming Israel (and only Israel) has no right to exist. Since Israel is the world's only predominately Jewish state, guess what kind of people do the challenging.
Anyway, I hope that answers your questions.

Either you are historically retarded, or you have been brainwashed by Jewish/Zionist propaganda...I'm guessing an equal measure of both. Palestine has an easily detailed history that is impossible to distort or dismiss, but this reality hardly discourages the vile Jewish revisionists from their crude attempts to occupy living history...as for Israel's "right to exist" please post a reference to this often invoked---yet mysteriously undocumented right...certainly your smug dismissal of any challenge to this fictive right suggests an easy answer...

Evidently you believe your smarmy attitude is a viable cover for your inability to read. I stated clearly that "a state's right to exist seems to come from the fact that it exists" and that this is only an issue because some petty people spend way too much time insisting that Israel (and only Israel) has no right to exist.
Nothing terribly tricky about that. The fact that Israel said "yes" in 1948 and the Arabs said "no" is also part of the history to which you refer, as is this:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!

Okay I'm guessing that you are on the slow, learning-challenged side of the coin, so I'll proceed in mono-syllables, and simplistic sentences so as to avoid any minor confusion: No state, nation, country has a "right to exist"...we acknowledge that they exist, but they don't inhere any objective, universal "right to exist" you fertile idiot. In the case of Israel this slogan was unknown until the notorious 67 land grab that typically duplicitous Jews have turned into a defensive action instead of what it was--outright aggression with the goal of stealing more land. Given the disgusting levels of moral depravity, and shameless prevarications common to the Israeli narrative, the thieves compensated for their theft by invoking the "right to exist"---no less.

 

[Hossfly]

just what exactly is it?

i hear the term "right to exist" used quite a bit when speaking of israel and occasionally, but very rarely, some other states, but no one really explains it or questions the concept.

i mean, who or what gives israel this right to exist? who conferred it upon israel or was it just expressed generally and is applied to all states and would be states? did israel have a right to exist before it became a state? it would seem that such a right to exist would be universal. is it codified or mentioned in some jurisdictional or international legal system? anywhere? does it have any historical or legal precedent or continuity and, if so, from when? where?

does there ever come a time when such a "right to exist" ceases and, if so, when, where, and how?

personally. i have no idea whether israel, or any state, has a "right to exist." it just seems like a very odd concept with no precedent or standing whatsoever.

A state's right to exist seems to come from the fact that it exists. For instance, while the state of Israel has existed for over 64 years, the state of "Palestine" has never existed. The reason it is such an issue with Israel is that some mindless twits amuse themselves and each other by claiming Israel (and only Israel) has no right to exist. Since Israel is the world's only predominately Jewish state, guess what kind of people do the challenging.
Anyway, I hope that answers your questions.

Either you are historically retarded, or you have been brainwashed by Jewish/Zionist propaganda...I'm guessing an equal measure of both. Palestine has an easily detailed history that is impossible to distort or dismiss, but this reality hardly discourages the vile Jewish revisionists from their crude attempts to occupy living history...as for Israel's "right to exist" please post a reference to this often invoked---yet mysteriously undocumented right...certainly your smug dismissal of any challenge to this fictive right suggests an easy answer...

How about you giving us some of this detailed history of the Palestinian people?. Have their been any archeological finds which can prove that these people have been there for ages and ages? There are finds all the times which show the Jews have been there for a very long time, but I am wondering if you can educate us as to what has been found with regard to the Palestinian Arabs. Anything you can supply us with will be deeply appreciated.



jt2

 

[Hossfly]

Either you are historically retarded, or you have been brainwashed by Jewish/Zionist propaganda...I'm guessing an equal measure of both. Palestine has an easily detailed history that is impossible to distort or dismiss, but this reality hardly discourages the vile Jewish revisionists from their crude attempts to occupy living history...as for Israel's "right to exist" please post a reference to this often invoked---yet mysteriously undocumented right...certainly your smug dismissal of any challenge to this fictive right suggests an easy answer...

Poppycock, twaddle and bloviating without a license.

LOL....may I take the liberty of translating? You have nothing with which to refute my comments, failing a refutation you merely spout idiocy...possibly with training and the right kind of encouragement you can offer some form of refutation...LOL

The reason people like you get a non-response is because your simple-minded explanations,suppositions and lack of knowledge doesn't deserve an answer. Talking to a jabbering monkey would be more productive.

 

[georgephillip]

Sure.
You'll note that Chumpsky excoriates Israel and the US for leaving Taba (Clinton was out and Barak was on his way out) yet cruises by the fact that Arafat had not only slithered away from Camp David a few months earlier but instituted his second intifada which pushed the two sides as far apart as they had ever been and left them with too little time to regroup. Chumpsky is just an anarchist and anti-Israel/anti-American hack.
No wonder people like you dig him.

The Al-Aqsa Intifada began in September 2000 when your pathic soul mate, Sharon, desecrated the third-holiest site of Islam, probably by design since brain-dead shit like you two always prefer war to peace. The Taba Summit took place the following January, and at its conclusion both sides agreed they had never been closer to reaching a final settlement and their shared declaration stated the remaining gaps could be bridged within six weeks after the upcoming Israeli election.

It was the Jews, once again, who never missed the chance to miss a chance at peace.
Maybe their illegal occupation is just too profitable?

Of course, it was former Pres Clinton and Saudi Prince Bandar who said that it was Arafat who "blew up" Taba and that the ensuing intifada had been planned months in advance.
So tell this board how Sharon "desecrated the third-holiest site of Islam."

Which came first Taba or the Second Intifada?
Bubba and Bandar Bush tell you Arafat did it, and you believe them?

Sharon, the butcher of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, and hundreds of Israeli riot police make their appearance at Al-Aqsa ten days after the Palestinians' memorial day service for his war crimes' victims and you find the dots too hard to connect?

Sharon's visit was designed to incite violence and, once again, eliminate any remote possibility for a peaceful Palestine.

 

[georgephillip]

A state's right to exist seems to come from the fact that it exists. For instance, while the state of Israel has existed for over 64 years, the state of "Palestine" has never existed. The reason it is such an issue with Israel is that some mindless twits amuse themselves and each other by claiming Israel (and only Israel) has no right to exist. Since Israel is the world's only predominately Jewish state, guess what kind of people do the challenging.
Anyway, I hope that answers your questions.

Either you are historically retarded, or you have been brainwashed by Jewish/Zionist propaganda...I'm guessing an equal measure of both. Palestine has an easily detailed history that is impossible to distort or dismiss, but this reality hardly discourages the vile Jewish revisionists from their crude attempts to occupy living history...as for Israel's "right to exist" please post a reference to this often invoked---yet mysteriously undocumented right...certainly your smug dismissal of any challenge to this fictive right suggests an easy answer...

How about you giving us some of this detailed history of the Palestinian people?. Have their been any archeological finds which can prove that these people have been there for ages and ages? There are finds all the times which show the Jews have been there for a very long time, but I am wondering if you can educate us as to what has been found with regard to the Palestinian Arabs. Anything you can supply us with will be deeply appreciated.



jt2

Here's one (Saudi) Arabian perspective:

"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ, Abo-Sak pointed out. Their ancestors built the cities of Jerusalem, Nablus, Jericho, Beisan, Acca and Jaffa.

"The Hebrews arrived in the land between 1400-1200 B.C., and only maintained control over it during the lifetimes of King David and his son King Solomon – a period of about 80 years.

"The land then came under Greek and Roman rule, and was then conquered by Islam in the year 637 A.D. under the second Caliph, Omar.

"By that time, the Jews had already left Jerusalem, and Christianity was the dominant religion. The Caliph granted full security to all Christians, including personal safety, and protection of property, religion and churches.

"The Muslims declared Jerusalem the capital of Palestine, and the city remained under Islamic rule until the end of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, except for a brief time of Christian rule under the Crusaders.

"In this century, the eastern Mediterranean became subject to British and French occupation as a result of the First World War, and Palestine came under British military occupation. The British encouraged the Arabs to gain their independence from the Ottoman Empire and promised them support if they stood on the side of the allies during the First World War.

"However the British reneged on the promise, and British Foreign Minister Arthur James Balfour promised the International Zionists a homeland for the Jews in Palestine.

"At the time, the population of Palestine was comprised of 95% Arabs (both Christians and Muslims), 4% Palestinian Jews, and 1% expatriates. The Jews owned only 2% of the land."

US Involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Solution or Complication? by Lt. Col. Mohammed F. Abo-Sak

 

[Sundowner47]

SAYIT posts: "The fact that Israel said "yes" in 1948 and the Arabs said "no" is also part of the history to which you refer"

I can only marvel at the childlike, ahistorical revisionist liberties so casually referenced by brain-dead Zionists.

#1 There was no Israel in 48 until the Zionist pirates brazenly seized historic PALESTINE in a well-planned terrorist campaign...so when you state that an Israel that did not exist said "yes" you clearly mark the boundaries of your fraud

#2 The Arab "no" that you refer to was actually called a vote against a partition recommendation offered by the UN that was extremely unfair to the majority population--Arab/Palestinians

What fascinates me is that Jews seem to feel that they can bully historical facts until they begin to resemble the lies that they have concocted to hide their crimes...gosh I can't imagine why Jews have been historically expelled from every host culture they've entered

 

[Sundowner47]

Poppycock, twaddle and bloviating without a license.

LOL....may I take the liberty of translating? You have nothing with which to refute my comments, failing a refutation you merely spout idiocy...possibly with training and the right kind of encouragement you can offer some form of refutation...LOL

The reason people like you get a non-response is because your simple-minded explanations,suppositions and lack of knowledge doesn't deserve an answer. Talking to a jabbering monkey would be more productive.

What you fail to note is that not only do you post a response---but a typically juvenile one...failing any academic or rational comeback, you simply stick with what you know: sub-juvenile ad-hominem replies that a 3rd grader would laugh at...

 

[Sundowner47]

It appears that such otherwise reasonable considerations as history...documentation...broadly acknowledged cultural narrative...census data...taxation records--the entire mass of collective information pertaining to the social, political and cultural realities of the Fertile Crescent are reduced to irrelevancy in the face of militant-polemical Zionism. Given the irreducible historical locus of Palestine in world history---as well as the religious significance attached to the region, it is mind-boggling that any emerging 20th century political movement would dare presume to revise this critical history to reflect the designs of their political and military treachery, but that is the core of Zionism, and should there be any lingering doubts I would invite any doubter to sample some of the mindless commentary offered here by Jews...

 

[SAYIT]

It appears that such otherwise reasonable considerations as history...documentation...broadly acknowledged cultural narrative...census data...taxation records--the entire mass of collective information pertaining to the social, political and cultural realities of the Fertile Crescent are reduced to irrelevancy in the face of militant-polemical Zionism. Given the irreducible historical locus of Palestine in world history---as well as the religious significance attached to the region, it is mind-boggling that any emerging 20th century political movement would dare presume to revise this critical history to reflect the designs of their political and military treachery, but that is the core of Zionism, and should there be any lingering doubts I would invite any doubter to sample some of the mindless commentary offered here by Jews...

Heh, heh, heh:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!
Thanks for playing. Y'all come back now.

 

[irosie91]

the "FERTILE CRESCENT"???? is he into GILGAMESH or NIMROD? He is certainly not into the Talmud

one of the most interesting issues relating to the first book of the bible called in english "genesis" -----is the clear rejection of the Hummarabi code -----another fascinating issue is the retention of basic aspects of the hummarabi code in shariah law------which suggests to me that the legal code of pre islamic arabia was highly influenced by Hummarabi and nimrod

I had no idea that there were extant tax records from SUMERIA how fascinating. I wonder how the tax structure worked. The society was very very stratified-----taxes were probably broadbased with the upper classes being exempted altogether

 

[Sundowner47]

the "FERTILE CRESCENT"???? is he into GILGAMESH or NIMROD? He is certainly not into the Talmud

one of the most interesting issues relating to the first book of the bible called in english "genesis" -----is the clear rejection of the Hummarabi code -----another fascinating issue is the retention of basic aspects of the hummarabi code in shariah law------which suggests to me that the legal code of pre islamic arabia was highly influenced by Hummarabi and nimrod

I had no idea that there were extant tax records from SUMERIA how fascinating. I wonder how the tax structure worked. The society was very very stratified-----taxes were probably broadbased with the upper classes being exempted altogether

I submit that you should lead all your posts with the qualifier: "I had no idea"...in fact I dare say all the board Zionists might take a lesson from you...LOL

 

[Sundowner47]

It appears that such otherwise reasonable considerations as history...documentation...broadly acknowledged cultural narrative...census data...taxation records--the entire mass of collective information pertaining to the social, political and cultural realities of the Fertile Crescent are reduced to irrelevancy in the face of militant-polemical Zionism. Given the irreducible historical locus of Palestine in world history---as well as the religious significance attached to the region, it is mind-boggling that any emerging 20th century political movement would dare presume to revise this critical history to reflect the designs of their political and military treachery, but that is the core of Zionism, and should there be any lingering doubts I would invite any doubter to sample some of the mindless commentary offered here by Jews...

Heh, heh, heh:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!
Thanks for playing. Y'all come back now.

Shouldn't that line correctly read: "23,000 days of illegal occupation---and still whining"??

 

[irosie91]

no there is nothing illegal about occupation Once a war is won----the defeated remain occupied until they surrender and accept terms ----remember germany? remember Japan?

 

[MJB12741]

LMAO! Loving it!

It appears that such otherwise reasonable considerations as history...documentation...broadly acknowledged cultural narrative...census data...taxation records--the entire mass of collective information pertaining to the social, political and cultural realities of the Fertile Crescent are reduced to irrelevancy in the face of militant-polemical Zionism. Given the irreducible historical locus of Palestine in world history---as well as the religious significance attached to the region, it is mind-boggling that any emerging 20th century political movement would dare presume to revise this critical history to reflect the designs of their political and military treachery, but that is the core of Zionism, and should there be any lingering doubts I would invite any doubter to sample some of the mindless commentary offered here by Jews...

Heh, heh, heh:
Israel - 23,000 days of STATEHOOD and still winning!
"Palestine" - 0 days of statehood and still WHINING!
Thanks for playing. Y'all come back now.

 

[Sundowner47]

no there is nothing illegal about occupation Once a war is won----the defeated remain occupied until they surrender and accept terms ----remember germany? remember Japan?

The problem remains that there was no war---merely a well-organized terrorist campaign to drive out the indigenous people and steal their land...calling this war is an attempt to justify piracy, and a set of lies that would make Goebbells wince in embarrassment

 

[MJB12741]

Will you help eduate me? You see, I am still waiting to learn, when did Isrel's ancient land become this "Palestinian" land that Israel is stealing or occupying?

no there is nothing illegal about occupation Once a war is won----the defeated remain occupied until they surrender and accept terms ----remember germany? remember Japan?

The problem remains that there was no war---merely a well-organized terrorist campaign to drive out the indigenous people and steal their land...calling this war is an attempt to justify piracy, and a set of lies that would make Goebbells wince in embarrassment