Israel's "Right to Exist"?

[Roudy]

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A lot of people just want Israel to end the occupation and respect international law.

Exactly - our resident nutcases aside, no one on this board and few people outside want to see Israel harmed in any way.

Support for Palestinian rights is not in any way anti-Israeli, no more so than being pro-Israeli is inherently anti-Palestinian.

I believe that Israel will be a stronger, safer and more stable and prosperous country when it shares land with a viable Palestinian state, and that is what I want to see.[/QUOTE]

****Nah, you don't support the destruction of Israel, you just want Israel to agree to things that will bring about it's EVENTUAL destruction, and rapidly.

Same shit.

 

[Roudy]

In the Armistice Agreements, the ceasefire lines are defined as follows:

5(2). In no sense are the cease-fire lines to be interpreted as political or territorial borders and their delineation in no way affects the rights, demands or positions of any of the parties to the cease-fire agreements regarding the final disposition of the Palestine question.

Israel's Borders After 1948 War

Where's Palestine in this map? 10 miles west of Gaza?

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers,...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

How about just west of Jordan?

Palestine included Jordan. Under the British mandate Jordan was "Arab Palestine" and Israel was "Jewish Palestine". The Arabs who started calling themselves Palestinians as of 1967 got their state already, it's called Jordan.

 

[Saigon]

The Arabs who started calling themselves Palestinians as of 1967

Um....I'm going to let you correct this one yourself, Roudy.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where's Palestine in this map? 10 miles west of Gaza?

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers,...

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

How about just west of Jordan?

Palestine included Jordan. Under the British mandate Jordan was "Arab Palestine" and Israel was "Jewish Palestine". The Arabs who started calling themselves Palestinians as of 1967 got their state already, it's called Jordan.

Indeed, Britain violated the League of Nations Covenant and international law.

 

[psed007]

Guys, we are discussing about following fact: A lot of people supports the idea that the israelis should go and die in the red sea or where ever they want and give back the land to palestinians ?!?! Great idea...but beware of the fact that this event will start the III world war. Another scenario is that the israelis admit they have nothing to do with the land because a book which was written approx. 2500 years later then the OT is right. They leave the country, leave everything behind even the nukes. They will be handed over to the palestinian leaders. Of course 40%, 40% the rest goes to whoever is paying for Third scenario is that everybody accept the fact that israel is here ! The palestinians had enough time to establish an own state. They did not ! Every country was established in the same way !

A lot of people just want Israel to end the occupation and respect international law.

International law ? Since when the modern palestinians respect international law ? They don't give a f. They want to be treated in a democratic way, but after that they want to destroy democratic structures so they criminal mind can take over and rule with terror about their own people.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Guys, we are discussing about following fact: A lot of people supports the idea that the israelis should go and die in the red sea or where ever they want and give back the land to palestinians ?!?! Great idea...but beware of the fact that this event will start the III world war. Another scenario is that the israelis admit they have nothing to do with the land because a book which was written approx. 2500 years later then the OT is right. They leave the country, leave everything behind even the nukes. They will be handed over to the palestinian leaders. Of course 40%, 40% the rest goes to whoever is paying for Third scenario is that everybody accept the fact that israel is here ! The palestinians had enough time to establish an own state. They did not ! Every country was established in the same way !

A lot of people just want Israel to end the occupation and respect international law.

International law ? Since when the modern palestinians respect international law ? They don't give a f. They want to be treated in a democratic way, but after that they want to destroy democratic structures so they criminal mind can take over and rule with terror about their own people.

Please clarify your position.

 

[docmauser1]

A lot of people just want Israel to end the occupation and respect international law.

International law ? Since when the modern palestinians respect international law ? They don't give a f. They want to be treated in a democratic way, but after that they want to destroy democratic structures so they criminal mind can take over and rule with terror about their own people.

Please clarify your position.

Palistanians are hypocrites, of course.

 

[georgephillip]

Guys, we are discussing about following fact: A lot of people supports the idea that the israelis should go and die in the red sea or where ever they want and give back the land to palestinians ?!?! Great idea...but beware of the fact that this event will start the III world war. Another scenario is that the israelis admit they have nothing to do with the land because a book which was written approx. 2500 years later then the OT is right. They leave the country, leave everything behind even the nukes. They will be handed over to the palestinian leaders. Of course 40%, 40% the rest goes to whoever is paying for Third scenario is that everybody accept the fact that israel is here ! The palestinians had enough time to establish an own state. They did not ! Every country was established in the same way !

Here's a relatively simple solution that's been around longer than the Jewish State:

"Joining a great Semitic confederacy would mean, for Israel, putting an end to the Zionist chapter in its history and starting a new one—the chapter of Israel as a state integrated in its Region, playing a part in the Region's struggle for progress and unity.

"For the Arabs it would mean recognition of a post-Zionist Israel as a part of the Region, a part which could and should not be abolished because, in its new form, it is a factor in the struggle for the common good.

"Let me be quite clear about this. A lot of nonsense has been written about solutions which do not recognize the existence of Israel as a sovereign state. Not one single Israeli, and certainly not I, would ever agree to any such solution.

"The existence of Israel as a sovereign state is the point of departure for any solution, as much as the rights and the aspirations of the Palestinian nation and any other Arab people.

"Semitic Union not only provides a framework for mutual acceptance, but has many other advantages..."

Pax Semitica by Uri Avnery

 

[Liability]

The fucking hypocritical obvious troll asswipes are the ones who put RIGHT TO EXIST in quotes and ask it AS if it were a question when it comes to Israel.

 

[Billo_Really]

International law ? Since when the modern palestinians respect international law ? They don't give a f. They want to be treated in a democratic way, but after that they want to destroy democratic structures so they criminal mind can take over and rule with terror about their own people.

Really? Then why is it Israel (not the Pals), who is in violation of over 200 UN resolutions?

 

[georgephillip]

The fucking hypocritical obvious troll asswipes are the ones who put RIGHT TO EXIST in quotes and ask it AS if it were a question when it comes to Israel.

What "borders" does Israel have the "right to exist" within?

 

[docmauser1]

"Joining a great Semitic confederacy would mean, for Israel, putting an end to the Zionist chapter in its history and starting a new one - the chapter of Israel as a state integrated in its Region, playing a part in the Region's struggle for progress and unity."

When the US becomes a confed member under the UN Banki Moon leadership, then we will talk, of course. Avnery is a funny senile asshole, indeed.

 

[ima]

The fucking hypocritical obvious troll asswipes are the ones who put RIGHT TO EXIST in quotes and ask it AS if it were a question when it comes to Israel.

Does any nation have a "right to exist"? It's a strange concept.

Certainly, Jews and anyone else has a right to exist, but arbitrary land mass delineations have rights?

 

[docmauser1]

What "borders" does Israel have the "right to exist" within?

The borders, defined in the treaties with Jordan and Egypt, of course. The border with Lebanon, demarkated by the UN cartographers. Who cares about Syria, anyway. So simple.

 

[Lipush]

The fucking hypocritical obvious troll asswipes are the ones who put RIGHT TO EXIST in quotes and ask it AS if it were a question when it comes to Israel.

What "borders" does Israel have the "right to exist" within?

The borders of historic Israel.

 

[JakeMeadows]

The modern history of Israel's right to exist. Although I could go back the Jacob and his sons I will stick with the modern history for a moment.

Following the adoption of a resolution by the General Assembly of the United Nations on 29 November 1947, recommending the adoption and implementation of the United Nations partition plan of Mandatory Palestine, on 14 May 1948 David Ben-Gurion, the Executive Head of the World Zionist Organization and president of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz Israel, to be known as the State of Israel, a state independent upon the termination of the British Mandate for Palestine, 15th May, 1948. Neighboring Arab states invaded the next day in support of the Palestinian Arabs. Israel has since fought several wars with neighboring Arab states, in the course of which it has occupied the West Bank, Sinai Peninsula (between 1967-1982), Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights. Portions of these territories, including east Jerusalem, have been annexed by Israel, but the border with the neighboring West Bank has not yet been permanently defined.

In short a world body known as the United Nations gave Israel the right to exist in modern times but the record clearly shows a Jewish state going back to to the time Jacob and his sons. 1030 BCE. - The tribes settled in the land of Israel. Saul became the first king of the Israelites in approximately 1020 BCE. David succeeded him in 1006 BCE, and moved the capital from Hebron to Jerusalem. By the way Jacob's name was changed to Israel and thus we have the name of this country you do not want to exist.

 

[Hossfly]

The fucking hypocritical obvious troll asswipes are the ones who put RIGHT TO EXIST in quotes and ask it AS if it were a question when it comes to Israel.

What "borders" does Israel have the "right to exist" within?

The borders of Asia and that's all you need to know.

 

[SAYIT]

International law ? Since when the modern palestinians respect international law ? They don't give a f. They want to be treated in a democratic way, but after that they want to destroy democratic structures so they criminal mind can take over and rule with terror about their own people.

Really? Then why is it Israel (not the Pals), who is in violation of over 200 UN resolutions?

Un Gen Ass resolutions are not "international law," Princess. They are non-binding and represent the whining and sniveling and braying of that once august international body which has seen it's Islamic and Third World (read: anti-American and anti-Israel) membership swell to majority proportions. Ironically, it is the tyranny of that Islamic/Third World majority that has reduced the Gen Ass resolutions to, well, Gen Ass. In the US we have protections for minorities. Unfortunately, the UN has no such protections and, in fact, wallows in its inequities:
World Conference against Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

"Joining a great Semitic confederacy would mean, for Israel, putting an end to the Zionist chapter in its history and starting a new one - the chapter of Israel as a state integrated in its Region, playing a part in the Region's struggle for progress and unity."

When the US becomes a confed member under the UN Banki Moon leadership, then we will talk, of course. Avnery is a funny senile asshole, indeed.

Surely, you're not confusing the Zionist State with a continental superpower?
Which part of liberation scares you most, drivel?

"3 Economically, the potential advantages (of a Semitic Union) are enormous. For Israel, it would mean the end of Arab boycotts and the integration of its economy into the Region. For the Arabs it would mean the possibility of meaningful Regional planning, a Semitic common market which would harness the immense wealth of Arab oil to the cause of progress and industrialization of the Arab peoples, especially Egypt.

"4. A united Region, liberated from fear and foreign exploitation, could start at long last a rapid march toward the modernization of the whole Region, restoring it to the place it held both in ancient and Islamic times."

Pax Semitica by Uri Avnery

 

[georgephillip]

What "borders" does Israel have the "right to exist" within?

The borders, defined in the treaties with Jordan and Egypt, of course. The border with Lebanon, demarkated by the UN cartographers. Who cares about Syria, anyway. So simple.

Where does the Jordan River fit in?

"Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan have now been formally recognised as part of the peace treaties with those countries[citation needed], and with Lebanon as part of the 1949 Armistice Agreement.

"The borders with Syria and the Palestinian territories are still in dispute.

"Israel's borders with the West Bank and Gaza Strip are currently the Green Line, except in East Jerusalem, and the ceasefire line with Syria runs along the UN-monitored boundary between the Golan Heights and Syrian controlled territory."

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia