Issue 1 in Ohio

[Dadoalex]

Anti-women? Boy, I'm glad that's not going on. That would be bad.

That you fail to understand what's going on us not surprising.

 

[Votto]

That's the argument you're making about Prop #1
They want the people to have a 60% majority
But the GOP gerrymanders themselves into a majority only requiting 50%+1

But, of course, the hypocrisy of that position evades you.

But it takes a majority to pass it.

So, what is the problem?

 

[Dadoalex]

What hypocrisy?

What does the Ohio Constitution say about referendums changing said Constitution?

"and no such law, section or item shall go into effect until and unless approved by a majority of those voting upon the same."

#1 wants to make it harder to get a referendum on the ballot AND require a 60% majority.

Both undemocratic.

 

[Dadoalex]

Voting only counts if it goes one way?

Pretty sure that question is nonsensical.

 

[Slade3200]

what percentage of women lose their right to life by being aborted

Zero

 

[Dadoalex]

The Left lies

For example, the Left wing media will say that about 60% of Americans or more favor abortion for various reasons, which is true. However, what they won't tell you is that over 70% of Americans want restrictions on abortion, such as 70% wanting to limit abortions under 15 weeks.

Harvard Poll: 72 Percent Oppose Abortion Beyond 15-Week

I previously wrote about how most Americans are not aligned by the most extreme views of both parties on abortion. Many Democratic leaders have been speaking of absolute abortion rights, as reflect…

jonathanturley.org

This is what the media will not tell people, so they will be misled ONCE AGAIN at the polls, like they were mislead voting for China Joe and his corrupt crime family.

Democracy died once the DNC took it over, as well as academia.

Issue 1 is not about abortion but it is about the GOP trying to crush the will of the majority.

 

[Votto]

Issue 1 is not about abortion but it is about the GOP trying to crush the will of the majority.

Lies!

If Roe vs Wade was not overturned, this would not be an issue.

A close look at proposed constitutional amendment in Ohio to allow abortion and reproductive freedom

Backers of the plan announced it earlier this month and the resolution itself has not been submitted.

www.statenews.org

Again, they know that most in Ohio favor some abortion rights, but they also know the majority also favor restrictions, restrictions that will essentially be done away with.

But the media will not talk about this, and lie and deceive those that question them about it.

That is why this amendment on issue 1 is necessary.

 

[Slade3200]

The Left lies

For example, the Left wing media will say that about 60% of Americans or more favor abortion for various reasons, which is true. However, what they won't tell you is that over 70% of Americans want restrictions on abortion, such as 70% wanting to limit abortions under 15 weeks.

Harvard Poll: 72 Percent Oppose Abortion Beyond 15-Week

I previously wrote about how most Americans are not aligned by the most extreme views of both parties on abortion. Many Democratic leaders have been speaking of absolute abortion rights, as reflect…

jonathanturley.org

This is what the media will not tell people, so they will be misled ONCE AGAIN at the polls, like they were mislead voting for China Joe and his corrupt crime family.

Democracy died once the DNC took it over, as well as academia.

What I don’t get is how somebody can believe that abortion is killing a baby and also support any allowance or exception for it. Doesn’t it have to be an all or nothing thing if you’re pro life?

 

[Aldo Raine]

To freedom or not to freedom, that is the question. Sounds like you really want government regulating peoples choices about what they do with their own bodies.

That’s odd, but to each their own.

Remember they are all about small government, until they are not!

 

[Aldo Raine]

It sounds like a typical leftist special election in which they depend on low voter turnout.

No the Rethugikkkons in Ohio pulled this out of their asses AFTER making it illegal a few years ago! Go figure!

 

[Votto]

What I don’t get is how somebody can believe that abortion is killing a baby and also support any allowance or exception for it. Doesn’t it have to be an all or nothing thing if you’re pro life?

Some pregnancies are not viable as the child will die either way, so why should the mother die as well?

This is but one example.

But again, the conversation should be about what restrictions should be put in place instead of just blindly trying to upregulate abortion altogether via the deceptive tactics of the Left.

 

[Votto]

Remember they are all about small government, until they are not!

State should be deciding this, not the Feds.

That is smaller government.

 

[Aldo Raine]

It sounds like a typical leftist special election in which they depend on low voter turnout.

No the Rethugikkkons in Ohio pulled this out of their asses AFTER making it illegal a few years ago! Go figure!

State should be deciding this, not the Feds.

That is smaller government.

Good deal, so why make it a 60% vote? Why wouldn't it be 50%+1? Like a democracy is supposed to be?
Why do Ohio Rethugikkkons hate democracy?

 

[Slade3200]

Some pregnancies are not viable as the child will die either way, so why should the mother die as well?

This is but one example.

But again, the conversation should be about what restrictions should be put in place instead of just blindly trying to upregulate abortion altogether via the deceptive tactics of the Left.

Let’s say a teenage girl was raped and became pregnant. Would you support her right to get an abortion right after she found out she was pregnant?

 

[Votto]

Let’s say a teenage girl was raped and became pregnant. Would you support her right to get an abortion right after she found out she was pregnant?

What does it matter what I think?
Voters should be asked this.
So why are they not?

 

[martybegan]

"and no such law, section or item shall go into effect until and unless approved by a majority of those voting upon the same."

#1 wants to make it harder to get a referendum on the ballot AND require a 60% majority.

Both undemocratic.

So our Federal amendment process is undemocratic?

 

[Votto]

So our Federal amendment process is undemocratic?

It is, which is why they want to pack the court when they don't like the court.

 

[Slade3200]

What does it matter what I think?
Voters should be asked this.
So why are they not?

You’re a voter. I’m asking you what you think. Why not answer?

 

[mamooth]

Notice the wording. An abortion MAY be prohibited by the physician, and not the state. The physician will then decide if the abortion is needed for the life or HEALTH of the woman. In other words, if the woman says she is depressed, then the doctor can then perform the abortion at any age of development to help amend her depression. Notice there are no mention of mandates based on age of development as in Roe vs. Wade.

Yes, pro-lifers are actually stooping to a "pay no attention to what the words actually say, I'll tell you what they really mean!" argument.

And nobody is surprised.

 

[mamooth]

State should be deciding this, not the Feds.

That is smaller government.

So if smaller is better, shouldn't counties be deciding instead of states?

Better yet, shouldn't municipalities be deciding? After all, they are smaller.

Or ... OMG, this is so radical ... shouldn't _individuals_ be deciding? You can't get smaller than that.

I'm just wondering why your "smaller is better" argument ends for no reason at the state level. That's not consistent.