Slade3200
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I havent had a chance to watch the piece you recommended but I will when I have some time and Iād be happy to discuss it with you. Regarding your other statements. Trump is far worse with the truth than any other politician Iāve ever encountered and thatās why he is scrutinized so hard. He deserves it and brings it upon himself.You have a TEE VEE and watch it, don't you?The effort to cast doubt into this election is all centered around Trumps ego. Trump doesnāt admit defeat, we allow know this. He always sets up a fall guy to blame, We know this. How can so many be so stupid to run with this stuff? You think people who trust the government are naive?! Come on.Yes, I realize the election is composed of multiple jurisdictions, but they are all run under the respective supervision of the various authorities of centralized state authorities. Thus, just 50 bureaucracies running things.You realize the election is a compilation of many hundred independent districts with in 50 different states,right? Itās not one processes that the cabal can control.Our biggest concern? Should be if it doesn't flop.Because the election process has safeguards and Trump is a horrific liar. The game he is playing is obvious. AZ will flop but I have no doubt you will find some lame excuseWhat makes you think it is going to flop? There must be something there when so many are trying so hard to stop it. A child could figure that out. Do you know any that could help explain it to you?You have your third count going on in AZ right now. After it flops youāll move on to something else that I will mock you aboutYou keep repeating yourself and the Democrats and RINOs keep doing everything they can to block audits and investigations. The guilt might as well be tattooed on their foreheads.Itās a lie just for the fact that it hasnāt been proven yet is being sold as a stolen election that Trump won. So even if that statement is true and there was some kind of hack or vast conspiracy that swung the election, those calling it stolen, like itās fact, without the evidence to prove those claims, are lying.I'm sort of in the middle here.. . .Nobody is calling for criminal charges to be filed against Trump for his lies but they are pushing back against them. And when leadership propagates those lies which results in undermining the public confidence in our elections the itās an issue to be taken seriously.He can say whatever he likes as a citizen with first amendment rights. However it has no influence over our current congress on ANY issue that matters. Dems have control and need to govern rather than playing nanananabooboo with Trump.He and Republican leadership are still propagating lies about the election. The Jan 6 investigation is an attempt by Dems to expose those lies and give Americans a factual narrativeHe's been gone for FOUR MONTHS but you wouldn't know it based on the nuts posting here about how he stole their lunch money or virginity...Itās understandable why people have had it with Trump. He just lies about everything. His supporters donāt care because it riles up the left which is why they love Trump. But in the real world lies and conspiracies are dangerous things. The Jan 6th riot and 2020 election have had false narratives around them for months that are now being parroted by leadership. That needs to be squashed and we need to strive for accountability and honesty not the current atmosphere of fight for power at all costs.Even some of the posters on here that I respected have gone full retard on ANYTHING that can even remotely be tied to Trump.
Trying to equate Jan 6th to Benghazi is just so over the top it defies logic.
Almost 2 fucking years of violent riots across the nation with around 30 murdered, countless businesses burned to the ground, countless others looted clean, government buildings literally set on fire, BILLIONS in damage, countless jobs lost....
And the 6th is somehow the end of the universe?
The right is sure that Trump won.
The left says this is a lie.
When the corporate cabal is honest, and values the process over profits, integrity over politics, when they allow those who support Trump, to have their demands met for a full exposure of how the election was conducted, including having the source code revealed. . . as a bystander, I will be satisfied.
. . . but? Calling something a "lie," until it is proven so? I am not convinced. I remember when the right called all of the left's criticisms of the 2000 and 2004's election irregularities, "lies," and again, nothing was done about it. Now the shoe seems to be on the other foot. The only difference? Their candidate is not backing down.
So, excuse me if I don't just accept the propaganda of the corporatacracy and the establishment.
Trump? He's acts the fool, sure. But Biden and his corporate masters are tyrants. I don't trust or believe any of them.
The fraud claims were given a chance. Over 60 judges were presented cases and not one was legit enough to even warrant a trial. Our intel agencies including Barr all said the election was legit and there is no evidence of a stolen election. We know Trump. We know he lies. We saw him set up the ārigged electionā narrative in 2016 when he thought he was going to lose. We saw him try and set up a voting fraud commission to show that he actually won the popular vote. It failed. Now we predicted and saw him use the same playbook for the 2020 election. Nothing will ever satisfy the crazy here. You can look at source code or do recounts and audits in every county and there will still be seeds of doubt planted and claims of a stolen election.
You seem like a fair minded person. Youāve got to see the game being played here... right?
. . . if it doesn't flop, it means one of two things.
A) The election had no integrity.
B) The Deep State is screwing with everyone, on the left AND the right, to make it so that they will put in new, even more draconian control over our elections and all of our lives to control who leads us. . . IOW, they are purposely creating all this chaos.
Who the hell can be sure which it is. . . as no one can be trusted.
Per your concerns, yes it would be a concern if something serious shows up in the recount. I seriously doubt anything will.
Will you have concerns if nothing shows up but perhaps some Minor insignificant discrepancies? Would you be concerned about the tremendous effort being put forth to undermine the public confidence in our elections?
I had a friend point out.. . that yeah, it is concerning, even if nothing shows up with shit like this. . it IS still concerning, isn't it?
... aren't you concerned?
There is a tremendous amount of effort being put forth to make folks question this election, just like they made folks believe "Russia," had something to do with the election of Trump. What does that say to you?
All I can say, is what I have recommended to other lefties or folks who believe in state/establishment/corporate media narratives. Go to YouTube or Google the documentary by the Emmy award winning documentarian David Earnhardt, Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections (2008). Learn from it, and think about its implications in our current paradigm, and about the motives of the elites, the oligarchs, and the establishment's goals. Don't be so naive. It is about process, not politics.
ORDO AB CHAO.
Im not a big government person and I am absolutely skeptical of those in power. But Iām not going to ride this wave of lies. If it was an honest accounting of our elections process Iād be all about it. I have no doubt there is corruption and holes in that system that need to be fixed. I actually think the whole system from
Campaigning on up needs to be rebuilt. But whatās going on now is about Trump and itās based on lies. I donāt think any good Americans should tolerate it.
I am not focused on the personalities, nor do I believe the narratives, of either side.
If you believe this is only about Trump? You haven't done as I asked.
I respect your inclination to believe the narratives you are told about the folks in our national drama. . . but I don't buy them. Not on either side. Lots of folks had a lot to profit by Trump's loss, many many billionaire oligarchs and global corporations. OTH? Those global corporations could easily create a boogie man for the public to redirect their rage at the system towards. . . very successfully I might add.
If you want to think Trump lies, that is fine. I have no argument with that. . . he does have a penchant to exaggerate, stretch the truth, and outright fib, but then? I don't think he is any different in that regard from any other politician. The corporate media just likes to harp on his manipulation of the facts a lot more.
It is clear to me you haven't done as I asked. No further conversation on this point is necessary.
When Trump first came down that escalator and announced he was running? I had a feeling of what was coming. . . . and I was not wrong. None of this surprises me.
For me, it is about the forest, not individual trees.
you also arenāt alone in your skepticism of government and the media. Do you actually think I hear a person on TV say something and I just accept it as truth and fact?! Hell no. Iām skeptical of anything and everything that I donāt see with my own two eyes. My opinions are based on my own assessment of the situation based on what I see and hear from a variety of sources and Iām always open minded to new facts or ideas. In this case, Trumps tactics are just so obvious as he acts this way all the time. It was very predictable. The sad thing is watching all these people, my fellow countrymen, buy into it. I knew we were dumb as a collective but I didnāt think we were this dumb