It Has Started: Activist Court Rewrites Law

[Crepitus]

sorry comrade but case law has no place when discussing the constitution,,,

The irony of that statement is that the supreme courts ability to determine constituti

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

First Amendment to our Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Fourteenth Amendment, which incorporates the First Amendment (previously held to apply only to the federal government) to all levels of government:

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Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

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Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.​

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Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.​

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Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.​

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Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.​

And on top of all that, nearly all of these “temporary public health orders” are not actual, valid laws anyway. There is not any jurisdiction anywhere in the United states, where any one individual is given the authority to make law by unilateral dictate. Valid laws must be created through the proper legislative process, or in many states, by putting it on the ballot to a direct vote of the people.

These “temporary public health orders” have not been enacted by any valid method, so they are not laws, we are under no legal obligation to obey them, and no part of government has any legitimate authority to attempt to enforce them.

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

Please, show me where temporary health orders have anything to go with congress making laws.

 

[meaner gene]

The freedom of religion clause in the constitution doesn't have an asterisk by it saying "except during a pandemic".

The court finally got something right.

Actually every "right" within the constitution is not absolute, but subject to "compelling government interest".

Right to bear arms - not if you're a felon (compelling govt interest)
Can you yell fire in a crowded theatre? - no (compelling govt interest)
Search and Seizure during commission of a crime - (compelling govt interest)
1st amendment disclosing classified information - (compelling govt interest)

No right is absolute. Such as during a national emergency.

 

[Crepitus]

The Constitution doesn't require citizens to have any regards for each other.

What exactly to you conservitards think "the general.welfare" is?

it doesnt mean they can control us,, thats what fascist do,,,

You're obviously too stupid to have this conversation.

Bye.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Late on Friday night, the Supreme Court blocked California’s public health ban on indoor religious services in a splintered 6–3 decision that augurs a major shift in the law of religious liberty. Justice Elena Kagan’s extraordinary dissent accused her conservative colleagues of endangering lives by overruling public health officials and potentially facilitating the spread of COVID-19. But the court’s new conservative majority ignored her warning—and, in the process, gave itself new powers to strike down alleged burdens on religious freedom. The Supreme Court effectively tossed out decades of case law in a late-night emergency order, unsettling precedent that states have relied upon to craft COVID restrictions. As Kagan sharply noted, Friday’s order “injects uncertainty into an area where uncertainty has human costs.”

Kagan Warns the Supreme Court’s New COVID Decision May Kill People

Keep it up religious nut jobs. You're going to be our best reason to expand the court. And you can bet the farm on it. The court will be expanded to stop religious extremism. The most fundamental reason America was created to begin with.

Something must be done about the recent supreme court appointments. They cannot be allowed to keep murdering people.

Good fucking god you're dumber than a box of rocks. So a lung infection with a 99% survival rate is enough to waive our rights? Do you even fucking realize the precedent you set with something like that?

The SCOTUS are put there to uphold the constitution. Show me where it says that our rights can be waived during a pandemic. If you can't come up with that then shut the fuck up.

10th Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

14th Amendment
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Temporary health orders are not laws.

You kids need to stop with this "FREEDUMB" crap. You are murdering innocent people.

You have no proof that they are "temporary."

They told us "two weeks."

They told us a month.

They keep saying temporary. . .it has turned out to be nothing but lies.

Cold and flues come and go, as will this thing, over and over again.

Health orders CANNOT take the place of laws. They go unchecked.

Our churches were closed for two months. They've been open since. Schools were closed through June but have all been green lighted to reopen since September.

The restrictions are as temporary as the Germ allows.

But... But... But... "FREEDUMB"!!!

Freedom is not all that dumb. The same rights exercised by the civil rights protesters all year are the rights that should cover church gatherings.
I've yet to hear you deplore the gathering of thousands during a BLM protest? Me either, because I think they have that right..absent violence.
Freedom=we decide. Use your freedom wisely--I don't gather, at all. I mask, more to reassure others--even though I've had the Covid..and am in little danger.
But there has to be an end.....soon.

I'm beginning to feel that the left is a bit too free with restrictions, in an emergency that has a clear end in sight. 6 months to herd immunity, most places.

 

[progressive hunter]

sorry comrade but case law has no place when discussing the constitution,,,

The irony of that statement is that the supreme courts ability to determine constituti

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

First Amendment to our Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Fourteenth Amendment, which incorporates the First Amendment (previously held to apply only to the federal government) to all levels of government:

​

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

​

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.​

​

Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.​

​

Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.​

​

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.​

And on top of all that, nearly all of these “temporary public health orders” are not actual, valid laws anyway. There is not any jurisdiction anywhere in the United states, where any one individual is given the authority to make law by unilateral dictate. Valid laws must be created through the proper legislative process, or in many states, by putting it on the ballot to a direct vote of the people.

These “temporary public health orders” have not been enacted by any valid method, so they are not laws, we are under no legal obligation to obey them, and no part of government has any legitimate authority to attempt to enforce them.

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

Please, show me where temporary health orders have anything to go with congress making laws.

check the 1st amendment,,

 

[progressive hunter]

The Constitution doesn't require citizens to have any regards for each other.

What exactly to you conservitards think "the general.welfare" is?

it doesnt mean they can control us,, thats what fascist do,,,

You're obviously too stupid to have this conversation.

Bye.

so you know I'm right and are running away,,,

TYPICAL,,,

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The freedoms of speech, religion, and assembly apply to all persons regardless of sex, race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnic background, or any other characteristic. Our laws should NEVER, EVER prefer one over another or establish one religion/ideology over another. People who attend mass gatherings endanger the American People in this time of pandemic. If you want to contract the virus and have you and your loved ones die of it, so be it. You earned it. You have a right to be a dirty person. But don't spread it among the rest of us.

If everyone in a group accepts their risk..so be it. This is not the zombie apocalypse..and very few die of Covid-19.
People who choose not to mask are not, 'dirty' people. Nor have they earned death by disease...--because they choose to gather at worship.. All of this is going to be moot..as the vaccines take hold. Maybe you might think about dialing back the rhetoric..on this issue.

They're stupid. When they attend an activity with close contact and no mask they are putting themselves, their friends, and their families at risk. For NO VIABLE REASON. It's sheer stupidity.

I tend to agree..but it is their Right..to make that decision. You're not going to cure stupid..why are you trying?

 

[Crepitus]

I'm a

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

First Amendment to our Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Fourteenth Amendment, which incorporates the First Amendment (previously held to apply only to the federal government) to all levels of government:

​

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

​

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.​

​

Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.​

​

Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.​

​

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.​

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

These fools don't, can't, or refuse to understand the Constitution

I'm across it's not me failing to understand the constitution.

Sorry for your luck.

Congratulations on your aware.

 

[Crepitus]

The Constitution doesn't require citizens to have any regards for each other.

What exactly to you conservitards think "the general.welfare" is?

it doesnt mean they can control us,, thats what fascist do,,,

You're obviously too stupid to have this conversation.

Bye.

so you know I'm right and are running away,,,

TYPICAL,,,

Wrong. I'm just sick to trying to educate morons.

Have a nice day.

 

[meaner gene]

If everyone in a group accepts their risk..so be it. This is not the zombie apocalypse..and very few die of Covid-19.
People who choose not to mask are not, 'dirty' people. Nor have they earned death by disease...--because they choose to gather at worship.. All of this is going to be moot..as the vaccines take hold. Maybe you might think about dialing back the rhetoric..on this issue.

That opinion of personal responsibility sounds good, until you consider it's like smoking. They have a right to smoke, but they don't have a right to fill the air with their second hand smoke.

 

[progressive hunter]

The Constitution doesn't require citizens to have any regards for each other.

What exactly to you conservitards think "the general.welfare" is?

it doesnt mean they can control us,, thats what fascist do,,,

You're obviously too stupid to have this conversation.

Bye.

so you know I'm right and are running away,,,

TYPICAL,,,

Wrong. I'm just sick to trying to educate morons.

Have a nice day.

dont you mean "equally educated"???

cause youre failing with me so far due to your minimal education,,,

 

[meaner gene]

They're stupid. When they attend an activity with close contact and no mask they are putting themselves, their friends, and their families at risk. For NO VIABLE REASON. It's sheer stupidity.

And not just those people, but everybody that those people come into contact with.

 

[Crepitus]

lasting for only a limited period of time; not permanent.

So, 100 years is considered "temporary" under that definition. As long as it is not "permanent" right?

And where, in the Constitution, is it suggested that government has the authority to enact “laws” outside of the defined valid processes for doing so, or to violate the rights of the people that the Bill of Rights explicitly affirms, so long as these are only in effect “temporarily”?

The 10th Amendment, which gives states all powers not specifically given to the federal government, allows them the authority to take public health emergency actions, such as setting quarantines and business restrictions.

 

[j-mac]

Late on Friday night, the Supreme Court blocked California’s public health ban on indoor religious services in a splintered 6–3 decision that augurs a major shift in the law of religious liberty. Justice Elena Kagan’s extraordinary dissent accused her conservative colleagues of endangering lives by overruling public health officials and potentially facilitating the spread of COVID-19. But the court’s new conservative majority ignored her warning—and, in the process, gave itself new powers to strike down alleged burdens on religious freedom. The Supreme Court effectively tossed out decades of case law in a late-night emergency order, unsettling precedent that states have relied upon to craft COVID restrictions. As Kagan sharply noted, Friday’s order “injects uncertainty into an area where uncertainty has human costs.”

Kagan Warns the Supreme Court’s New COVID Decision May Kill People

Keep it up religious nut jobs. You're going to be our best reason to expand the court. And you can bet the farm on it. The court will be expanded to stop religious extremism. The most fundamental reason America was created to begin with.

Something must be done about the recent supreme court appointments. They cannot be allowed to keep murdering people.

Good fucking god you're dumber than a box of rocks. So a lung infection with a 99% survival rate is enough to waive our rights? Do you even fucking realize the precedent you set with something like that?

The SCOTUS are put there to uphold the constitution. Show me where it says that our rights can be waived during a pandemic. If you can't come up with that then shut the fuck up.

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

Your rhetoric is murdering brain cells

 

[Crepitus]

The Constitution doesn't require citizens to have any regards for each other.

What exactly to you conservitards think "the general.welfare" is?

it doesnt mean they can control us,, thats what fascist do,,,

You're obviously too stupid to have this conversation.

Bye.

so you know I'm right and are running away,,,

TYPICAL,,,

Wrong. I'm just sick to trying to educate morons.

Have a nice day.

dont you mean "equally educated"???

cause youre failing with me so far due to your minimal education,,,

I have no idea what your level of education might be, but I've long realized that educated doesn't have to equal smart.

 

[progressive hunter]

lasting for only a limited period of time; not permanent.

So, 100 years is considered "temporary" under that definition. As long as it is not "permanent" right?

And where, in the Constitution, is it suggested that government has the authority to enact “laws” outside of the defined valid processes for doing so, or to violate the rights of the people that the Bill of Rights explicitly affirms, so long as these are only in effect “temporarily”?

The 10th Amendment, which gives states all powers not specifically given to the federal government, allows them the authority to take public health emergency actions, such as setting quarantines and business restrictions.

as long as they dont violate the constitution,,

 

[Crepitus]

Late on Friday night, the Supreme Court blocked California’s public health ban on indoor religious services in a splintered 6–3 decision that augurs a major shift in the law of religious liberty. Justice Elena Kagan’s extraordinary dissent accused her conservative colleagues of endangering lives by overruling public health officials and potentially facilitating the spread of COVID-19. But the court’s new conservative majority ignored her warning—and, in the process, gave itself new powers to strike down alleged burdens on religious freedom. The Supreme Court effectively tossed out decades of case law in a late-night emergency order, unsettling precedent that states have relied upon to craft COVID restrictions. As Kagan sharply noted, Friday’s order “injects uncertainty into an area where uncertainty has human costs.”

Kagan Warns the Supreme Court’s New COVID Decision May Kill People

Keep it up religious nut jobs. You're going to be our best reason to expand the court. And you can bet the farm on it. The court will be expanded to stop religious extremism. The most fundamental reason America was created to begin with.

Something must be done about the recent supreme court appointments. They cannot be allowed to keep murdering people.

Good fucking god you're dumber than a box of rocks. So a lung infection with a 99% survival rate is enough to waive our rights? Do you even fucking realize the precedent you set with something like that?

The SCOTUS are put there to uphold the constitution. Show me where it says that our rights can be waived during a pandemic. If you can't come up with that then shut the fuck up.

Show me where it says you have the right to ignore temporary public health orders?

And stop lying about the death rate. You're murdering people with your lies.

Your rhetoric is murdering brain cells

No, that your drug habit.

 

[progressive hunter]

The Constitution doesn't require citizens to have any regards for each other.

What exactly to you conservitards think "the general.welfare" is?

it doesnt mean they can control us,, thats what fascist do,,,

You're obviously too stupid to have this conversation.

Bye.

so you know I'm right and are running away,,,

TYPICAL,,,

Wrong. I'm just sick to trying to educate morons.

Have a nice day.

dont you mean "equally educated"???

cause youre failing with me so far due to your minimal education,,,

I have no idea what your level of education might be, but I've long realized that educated doesn't have to equal smart.

I know the 10th A doesnt allow them to violate the constitution,,, you not so much,,

 

[Crepitus]

lasting for only a limited period of time; not permanent.

So, 100 years is considered "temporary" under that definition. As long as it is not "permanent" right?

And where, in the Constitution, is it suggested that government has the authority to enact “laws” outside of the defined valid processes for doing so, or to violate the rights of the people that the Bill of Rights explicitly affirms, so long as these are only in effect “temporarily”?

The 10th Amendment, which gives states all powers not specifically given to the federal government, allows them the authority to take public health emergency actions, such as setting quarantines and business restrictions.

as long as they dont violate the constitution,,

They don't.

 

[Crepitus]

The Constitution doesn't require citizens to have any regards for each other.

What exactly to you conservitards think "the general.welfare" is?

it doesnt mean they can control us,, thats what fascist do,,,

You're obviously too stupid to have this conversation.

Bye.

so you know I'm right and are running away,,,

TYPICAL,,,

Wrong. I'm just sick to trying to educate morons.

Have a nice day.

dont you mean "equally educated"???

cause youre failing with me so far due to your minimal education,,,

I have no idea what your level of education might be, but I've long realized that educated doesn't have to equal smart.

I know the 10th A doesnt allow them to violate the constitution,,, you not so much,,

Who's violating the constitution?