It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[Lakhota]

Another day. Another gun massacre. Guns sales are big money. Less gun sales mean less money. Therefore, it's all about money and how that money is used to influence legislators. There is no doubt that criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. So, if gun manufacturers, suppliers, and the NRA were held liable each time a gun was used in a crime - I bet gun control laws would change in a hurry.

 

[Ernie S.]

You talking about Chicago?

 

[turtledude]

Another day. Another gun massacre. Guns sales are big money. Less gun sales mean less money. Therefore, it's all about money and how that money is used to influence legislators. There is no doubt that criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. So, if gun manufacturers, suppliers, and the NRA were held liable each time a gun was used in a crime - I bet gun control laws would change in a hurry.

only a low wattage moron like you would think that another gun law is going to stop someone willing to face 10 counts or more of capital murder. what would have stopped that asshole was an armed victim

 

[Lakhota]

Another day. Another gun massacre. Guns sales are big money. Less gun sales mean less money. Therefore, it's all about money and how that money is used to influence legislators. There is no doubt that criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. So, if gun manufacturers, suppliers, and the NRA were held liable each time a gun was used in a crime - I bet gun control laws would change in a hurry.

only a low wattage moron like you would think that another gun law is going to stop someone willing to face 10 counts or more of capital murder. what would have stopped that asshole was an armed victim

Yes, we should all be packing heat when we're old enough to walk. Kindergarten would be much more fun.

 

[candycorn]

Another day. Another gun massacre. Guns sales are big money. Less gun sales mean less money. Therefore, it's all about money and how that money is used to influence legislators. There is no doubt that criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. So, if gun manufacturers, suppliers, and the NRA were held liable each time a gun was used in a crime - I bet gun control laws would change in a hurry.

only a low wattage moron like you would think that another gun law is going to stop someone willing to face 10 counts or more of capital murder. what would have stopped that asshole was an armed victim

Yes, we should all be packing heat when we're old enough to walk. Kindergarten would be much more fun.

Desperately need to get the court to enforce the "well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment. Sure you can have guns....if you're a memeber of a "well regulated militia". If not, no soup for you.

How many more people have to die?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Scientists discovered the reasons people become violent following world war 2 when everyone wanted to know how the Holocaust could have happened. We know why people become violent. If we actually wanted to prevent it, it'd have been prevented generations ago.

 

[Ernie S.]

Another day. Another gun massacre. Guns sales are big money. Less gun sales mean less money. Therefore, it's all about money and how that money is used to influence legislators. There is no doubt that criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. So, if gun manufacturers, suppliers, and the NRA were held liable each time a gun was used in a crime - I bet gun control laws would change in a hurry.

only a low wattage moron like you would think that another gun law is going to stop someone willing to face 10 counts or more of capital murder. what would have stopped that asshole was an armed victim

Yes, we should all be packing heat when we're old enough to walk. Kindergarten would be much more fun.

I've been around guns all my life and I've carried a concealed weapon for 45 years. I've never shot anyone. Why? because I'm not an animal, a gang banger or a thug. Go after the people who are responsible for the killings and leave people like me the fuck alone.

 

[Ernie S.]

Another day. Another gun massacre. Guns sales are big money. Less gun sales mean less money. Therefore, it's all about money and how that money is used to influence legislators. There is no doubt that criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. So, if gun manufacturers, suppliers, and the NRA were held liable each time a gun was used in a crime - I bet gun control laws would change in a hurry.

only a low wattage moron like you would think that another gun law is going to stop someone willing to face 10 counts or more of capital murder. what would have stopped that asshole was an armed victim

Yes, we should all be packing heat when we're old enough to walk. Kindergarten would be much more fun.

Desperately need to get the court to enforce the "well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment. Sure you can have guns....if you're a memeber of a "well regulated militia". If not, no soup for you.

How many more people have to die?

Please read Heller v District of Columbia, OK.
People die because there are evil people. As we see in Australia and Britain, removing all the guns will just make murders switch to knives.

 

[FA_Q2]

Another day. Another gun massacre. Guns sales are big money. Less gun sales mean less money. Therefore, it's all about money and how that money is used to influence legislators. There is no doubt that criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. So, if gun manufacturers, suppliers, and the NRA were held liable each time a gun was used in a crime - I bet gun control laws would change in a hurry.

only a low wattage moron like you would think that another gun law is going to stop someone willing to face 10 counts or more of capital murder. what would have stopped that asshole was an armed victim

Yes, we should all be packing heat when we're old enough to walk. Kindergarten would be much more fun.

Desperately need to get the court to enforce the "well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment. Sure you can have guns....if you're a memeber of a "well regulated militia". If not, no soup for you.

How many more people have to die?

There is zero evidence that further gun control will do anything whatsoever to prevent murders.

Basically, you begging the question is based on utter fallacy. Don't let that stop you from pushing another political agenda over smoking corpses though.

 

[candycorn]

Another day. Another gun massacre. Guns sales are big money. Less gun sales mean less money. Therefore, it's all about money and how that money is used to influence legislators. There is no doubt that criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. So, if gun manufacturers, suppliers, and the NRA were held liable each time a gun was used in a crime - I bet gun control laws would change in a hurry.

only a low wattage moron like you would think that another gun law is going to stop someone willing to face 10 counts or more of capital murder. what would have stopped that asshole was an armed victim

Yes, we should all be packing heat when we're old enough to walk. Kindergarten would be much more fun.

Desperately need to get the court to enforce the "well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment. Sure you can have guns....if you're a memeber of a "well regulated militia". If not, no soup for you.

How many more people have to die?

There is zero evidence that further gun control will do anything whatsoever to prevent murders.

Basically, you begging the question is based on utter fallacy. Don't let that stop you from pushing another political agenda over smoking corpses though.

Thanks to the NRA and conservatives there is never a shortage of smoking corpses.

It's time to appoint judges that will enforce the 2nd Amendment

 

[FA_Q2]

Another day. Another gun massacre. Guns sales are big money. Less gun sales mean less money. Therefore, it's all about money and how that money is used to influence legislators. There is no doubt that criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. So, if gun manufacturers, suppliers, and the NRA were held liable each time a gun was used in a crime - I bet gun control laws would change in a hurry.

only a low wattage moron like you would think that another gun law is going to stop someone willing to face 10 counts or more of capital murder. what would have stopped that asshole was an armed victim

Yes, we should all be packing heat when we're old enough to walk. Kindergarten would be much more fun.

Desperately need to get the court to enforce the "well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment. Sure you can have guns....if you're a memeber of a "well regulated militia". If not, no soup for you.

How many more people have to die?

There is zero evidence that further gun control will do anything whatsoever to prevent murders.

Basically, you begging the question is based on utter fallacy. Don't let that stop you from pushing another political agenda over smoking corpses though.

Thanks to the NRA and conservatives there is never a shortage of smoking corpses.

It's time to appoint judges that will enforce the 2nd Amendment

They have.

Just because you don't understand what the second amendment protects does not mean that it is not clear to the courts.

What you want is to appoint judges that will destroy the second amendment because you know damn well you cannot get it changed. Sorry if the rest of us do not want to cede rights simply because it would make you feel better even though it would have no effect whatsoever.

 

[candycorn]

only a low wattage moron like you would think that another gun law is going to stop someone willing to face 10 counts or more of capital murder. what would have stopped that asshole was an armed victim

Yes, we should all be packing heat when we're old enough to walk. Kindergarten would be much more fun.

Desperately need to get the court to enforce the "well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment. Sure you can have guns....if you're a memeber of a "well regulated militia". If not, no soup for you.

How many more people have to die?

There is zero evidence that further gun control will do anything whatsoever to prevent murders.

Basically, you begging the question is based on utter fallacy. Don't let that stop you from pushing another political agenda over smoking corpses though.

Thanks to the NRA and conservatives there is never a shortage of smoking corpses.

It's time to appoint judges that will enforce the 2nd Amendment

They have.

Just because you don't understand what the second amendment protects does not mean that it is not clear to the courts.

What you want is to appoint judges that will destroy the second amendment because you know damn well you cannot get it changed. Sorry if the rest of us do not want to cede rights simply because it would make you feel better even though it would have no effect whatsoever.

The words "well regulated militia" are in the text of the amendment. I know of nobody in a militia (regulated or otherwise). Those in the stand-in for the militia (the National Guard and Reserves) have weaponry provided for them.

There is zero need for the militia; thus gun ownership could be argued as being not covered by the Constitution since A) owners are not being required to join a militia and B) the militia has it's weapons provided for them.

 

[Geaux4it]

Yes, we should all be packing heat when we're old enough to walk. Kindergarten would be much more fun.

Desperately need to get the court to enforce the "well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment. Sure you can have guns....if you're a memeber of a "well regulated militia". If not, no soup for you.

How many more people have to die?

There is zero evidence that further gun control will do anything whatsoever to prevent murders.

Basically, you begging the question is based on utter fallacy. Don't let that stop you from pushing another political agenda over smoking corpses though.

Thanks to the NRA and conservatives there is never a shortage of smoking corpses.

It's time to appoint judges that will enforce the 2nd Amendment

They have.

Just because you don't understand what the second amendment protects does not mean that it is not clear to the courts.

What you want is to appoint judges that will destroy the second amendment because you know damn well you cannot get it changed. Sorry if the rest of us do not want to cede rights simply because it would make you feel better even though it would have no effect whatsoever.

The words "well regulated militia" are in the text of the amendment. I know of nobody in a militia (regulated or otherwise). Those in the stand-in for the militia (the National Guard and Reserves) have weaponry provided for them.

There is zero need for the militia; thus gun ownership could be argued as being not covered by the Constitution since A) owners are not being required to join a militia and B) the militia has it's weapons provided for them.

Ok, you don't know anyone in a militia. So the world revolves around you I see.

What an epic waste of time the anti-gunners take part in

Obama is good for gun and ammo sales

We appreciate the support!

-Geaux

 

[Claudette]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Jesus your an idiot.

There are more than enough gun laws on the books.

Grow the fuck up.

 

[Lakhota]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Jesus your an idiot.

There are more than enough gun laws on the books.

Grow the fuck up.

Wrong! We need universal background checks.

 

[mudwhistle]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

And don't forget "Cave-in".....

 

[OldUSAFSniper]

Thirty to forty years ago you could buy an M-1 Garand (military surplus) for less than $30.00. JC Penny, Montgomery Ward and Sears and Roebuck all sold guns via their catalogs. All you had to do was mail in your money order to a warehouse somewhere and they would send you the weapon. No background check, nothing. You could also buy as much 30 caliber ammunition as you wanted and they would ship it to you. You could order it under the name of Mickey Mouse and no one cared. Yet, no one killed children in school. No one walked into a church and shot people who were there for bible study. Children could actually play in their front yard or even (gasp) walk by themselves down to the park where they would play all day, not having to worry about the drug deals or the crazies living in the park. Not an armed adult in sight.

So what has changed? Why now do we go through this?

This, ladies and gentlemen; this disease comes to lay directly at the feet of the 'progressives' among us. Those who stand in an intersection downtown and yell at passing cars that they are going to 'kill' you are no longer able to be committed for their own and societies good. You can't make them take their medicine. Medicine which, if they just took it, would take the edge off of their manic depressive episodes. I have a nephew who is schizophrenic and he is dangerous. He has threatened to kill his parents and his sister. His mother and father have begged, pleaded with everyone, anyone to do something and they will not. They have had him committed and they have tried to force him to take his medication. He takes it, feels a little better, only to walk out the door a week later. Then he stops taking his medicine and it starts again. There is no where to put him the doctors tell them. He has the 'right' not to take his medicine, even if he is a clear danger to those around him, the doctors say. So the parents did the only thing they could. They threw this kid out of the house and told him that if he came back, they would have to have him arrested, or worse, they would use force against him. His father bought a gun. An 870 Remington that I helped him get and showed him how to use. They moved to a different town and didn't tell him where they are. So now, this kid lives on the street and he is a ticking time bomb. God help us... God help those who meet him on the street.

Progressives have created a society where the individual and the list of their 'rights' that they should demand continues to grow day by day. No longer do children learn of morals, values, to be kind to their neighbors and of the 'Golden Rule.' Now, there are no consequences of 'sinful' actions, only the fifteen minutes of fame that these situations provide. Since man has become the ultimate pinnacle of a progressive world, there is no God to fear, no Jesus to emulate. No longer do school age children hear of their eternal souls and of how they should do right by their neighbors. No, you owe me... is now the battle cry of this progressive society. Likewise, Barry lectures the nation about guns, but once again, has failed to state the obvious... that Christians have been singled out for extermination. Imagine if the dead had been Muslim or transgender students. Imagine the righteous indignation of him and the progressives.

I am convinced that this nation has passed a critical point in its timeline. I am almost convinced that we can not be brought back from the brink this time.

 

[M14 Shooter]

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Wrong! We need universal background checks.

We all, including you, know that you cannot soundly illustrate the necessity of such a thing.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Desperately need to get the court to enforce the "well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment. Sure you can have guns....if you're a memeber of a "well regulated militia". If not, no soup for you.

Why do you refuse to accept the fact that The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home
That is, why do you still choose to be wrong?

 

[Avatar4321]

So you weren't humiliated enough in 2012 when your arguments were destroyed? Now you feel the need to use the thoughtless murder of innocents to once again push your political points. How compassionate.

Why exactly do you want people unable to defend themselves?