It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[Lakhota]

Other than criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers - why would anyone be against universal background checks. Polls show most Americans want them - even among gun owners.

We know the game you gun grabbing creeps play. You pass law after law, restriction after restriction, each designed to erode our 2nd amendment rights until gun ownership is so legally risky people voluntarily give up their 2nd amendment rights out of fear of running afoul of the convoluted laws. So forget it, we won't work with you on this, we won't give an inch because we know what your true agenda is.

And as I said earlier in this thread, alcohol kills FAR more people. Its the source of domestic abuse, traffic injuries and fatalities. It increases healthcare costs. Its a FAR larger problem so why are you gun grabbers not fighting that fight to ban alcohol hmmm?

Gun grabber? I cherish my guns and hunting rights. We have laws against driving while under the influence or intoxicated. We don't have universal background checks. Why not?

Oregon, Colorado, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts do for all guns. Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan,Pennsylvania, Maryland and North Carolina do for hand guns. How's that working out?

It's working out better than without.

 

[Ernie S.]

Other than criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers - why would anyone be against universal background checks. Polls show most Americans want them - even among gun owners.

We know the game you gun grabbing creeps play. You pass law after law, restriction after restriction, each designed to erode our 2nd amendment rights until gun ownership is so legally risky people voluntarily give up their 2nd amendment rights out of fear of running afoul of the convoluted laws. So forget it, we won't work with you on this, we won't give an inch because we know what your true agenda is.

And as I said earlier in this thread, alcohol kills FAR more people. Its the source of domestic abuse, traffic injuries and fatalities. It increases healthcare costs. Its a FAR larger problem so why are you gun grabbers not fighting that fight to ban alcohol hmmm?

Gun grabber? I cherish my guns and hunting rights. We have laws against driving while under the influence or intoxicated. We don't have universal background checks. Why not?

Oregon, Colorado, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts do for all guns. Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan,Pennsylvania, Maryland and North Carolina do for hand guns. How's that working out?

It's working out better than without.

Was there a shooting at a school in..... let's say, Alabama yesterday?

Only fools think more laws will effect gun violence. I can, however tell you how to reduce gun violence in Chicago by 70% by the first of the year. Do you really want to hear it?

 

[boedicca]

Another day. Another left wing ploy to turn the U.S. into a totalitarian state.

Same old same old.


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[Lakhota]

How would universal background checks nationwide hinder your gun rights? They wouldn't hinder mine in the least. So, what's the problem?

 

[Lakhota]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

scotus said the right to bear arms is an individual right.

SCOTUS also said the 2nd Amendment is not an unlimited right.

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that the right to bear arms is not unlimited, and noted that future limitations ‘will have to be decided in future cases’

Antonin Scalia says 2nd Amendment has its limits

 

[FA_Q2]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

scotus said the right to bear arms is an individual right.

SCOTUS also said the 2nd Amendment is not an unlimited right.

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that the right to bear arms is not unlimited, and noted that future limitations ‘will have to be decided in future cases’

Antonin Scalia says 2nd Amendment has its limits

No one has claimed that it is so your straw man is moot.

ALL of the evidence points to gun laws doing nothing to change the amount of homicides that occur. You need to find FACTS that support limiting a right - not the other way around.

 

[Lakhota]

How do federal background checks work?

Would proposals to strengthen background checks force family members to run checks on each other?

Are sellers at gun shows required to perform a background check on buyers?

Is supporting background checks politically risky?

Could expanding the background check system lead to a national gun registry?

Do background checks violate the Second Amendment?

Do background checks actually stop criminals and the mentally ill from buying guns?

Seven Media Myths About The Gun Background Check System

There is no doubt that background checks have saves lives.

 

[BluesLegend]

Other than criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers - why would anyone be against universal background checks. Polls show most Americans want them - even among gun owners.

We know the game you gun grabbing creeps play. You pass law after law, restriction after restriction, each designed to erode our 2nd amendment rights until gun ownership is so legally risky people voluntarily give up their 2nd amendment rights out of fear of running afoul of the convoluted laws. So forget it, we won't work with you on this, we won't give an inch because we know what your true agenda is.

And as I said earlier in this thread, alcohol kills FAR more people. Its the source of domestic abuse, traffic injuries and fatalities. It increases healthcare costs. Its a FAR larger problem so why are you gun grabbers not fighting that fight to ban alcohol hmmm?

Gun grabber? I cherish my guns and hunting rights. We have laws against driving while under the influence or intoxicated. We don't have universal background checks. Why not?

Oregon, Colorado, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts do for all guns. Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan,Pennsylvania, Maryland and North Carolina do for hand guns. How's that working out?

It's working out better than without.

/eyeroll

 

[Jarlaxle]

Another day. Another gun massacre. Guns sales are big money. Less gun sales mean less money. Therefore, it's all about money and how that money is used to influence legislators. There is no doubt that criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers should not have access to firearms. So, if gun manufacturers, suppliers, and the NRA were held liable each time a gun was used in a crime - I bet gun control laws would change in a hurry.

only a low wattage moron like you would think that another gun law is going to stop someone willing to face 10 counts or more of capital murder. what would have stopped that asshole was an armed victim

Yes, we should all be packing heat when we're old enough to walk. Kindergarten would be much more fun.

Desperately need to get the court to enforce the "well regulated militia" portion of the 2nd Amendment. Sure you can have guns....if you're a memeber of a "well regulated militia". If not, no soup for you.

How many more people have to die?

As a more-or-less able-bodied male of appropriate age (usually 16-45 or something similar) I'm a member of a militia.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Other than criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers - why would anyone be against universal background checks. Polls show most Americans want them - even among gun owners.

Many reasons, most of which have already been posted. Off the top of my head, though...
They accomplish little.
The law is impossible to enforce.

 

[Ernie S.]

How would universal background checks nationwide hinder your gun rights? They wouldn't hinder mine in the least. So, what's the problem?

Are your bow and spear registered?

 

[Ernie S.]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

scotus said the right to bear arms is an individual right.

SCOTUS also said the 2nd Amendment is not an unlimited right.

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that the right to bear arms is not unlimited, and noted that future limitations ‘will have to be decided in future cases’

Antonin Scalia says 2nd Amendment has its limits

Sure it has limits, but at this time, national gun registration is unconstitutional.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

The right to bear arms, Lakhota...was not just as a defense against "outside aggression" but was designed to be a defense against an overbearing government. Having a strong standing army isn't the same thing as having citizens with the right to bear arms.

one could say that the right to bear arms was for defense of the right to bear arms.
so, constitutionally speaking....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Other than criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers - why would anyone be against universal background checks.

This question has been answered innumerable times.
Like any other village useful idiot, parroting the talking points given by their master, you have no interest in the response.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Other than criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers - why would anyone be against universal background checks. Polls show most Americans want them - even among gun owners.

We know the game you gun grabbing creeps play. You pass law after law, restriction after restriction, each designed to erode our 2nd amendment rights until gun ownership is so legally risky people voluntarily give up their 2nd amendment rights out of fear of running afoul of the convoluted laws. So forget it, we won't work with you on this, we won't give an inch because we know what your true agenda is.

And as I said earlier in this thread, alcohol kills FAR more people. Its the source of domestic abuse, traffic injuries and fatalities. It increases healthcare costs. Its a FAR larger problem so why are you gun grabbers not fighting that fight to ban alcohol hmmm?

Gun grabber? I cherish my guns and hunting rights. We have laws against driving while under the influence or intoxicated. We don't have universal background checks. Why not?

If you hate this country's gun control laws so much and hate even more the fact that you know you have no sound argument for implementing further limits -- why don;t you move to Canada?

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Other than criminals, mentally ill, and domestic abusers - why would anyone be against universal background checks. Polls show most Americans want them - even among gun owners.

having some affirmative action hired chimp checking into peoples medical history, or even a sheriff checking into medical history could be considered a violation of the HIPAA laws. Ever consider that?

 

[M14 Shooter]

How would universal background checks nationwide hinder your gun rights? They wouldn't hinder mine in the least. So, what's the problem?

If you hate this country's gun control laws so much and hate even more the fact that you know you have no sound argument for implementing further limits -- why don;t you move to Canada?

 

[M14 Shooter]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

scotus said the right to bear arms is an individual right.

SCOTUS also said the 2nd Amendment is not an unlimited right.
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that the right to bear arms is not unlimited, and noted that future limitations ‘will have to be decided in future cases’
Antonin Scalia says 2nd Amendment has its limits

If you hate this country's gun control laws so much and hate even more the fact that you know you have no sound argument for implementing further limits -- why don;t you move to Canada?

 

[FA_Q2]

There is no doubt that background checks have saves lives.

Yes there is.
What there is none of is evidence that they have.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio2]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Amen, brother. Fuck the NRA and fuck the Nazi Repug Party.