It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[M14 Shooter]

Amen, brother. Fuck the NRA and fuck the Nazi Repug Party.

1: Bush won OH, Bush was FL
2: If you hate this country's gun control laws so much and hate even more the fact that you know you have no sound argument for implementing further limits -- why don;t you move to Canada?

 

[Ernie S.]

This idiot even opened 2 threads 3 years apart with the same title.
July 22 2012: Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

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[Oldstyle]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Amen, brother. Fuck the NRA and fuck the Nazi Repug Party.

You're really a Kerry supporter? Really? I mean REALLY? You support John Kerry? Really? I mean, you're not just joking about that?

 

[Yarddog]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

Oh really? how long will it take the national guard to get to your neighbor hood when ISIS terrorists start going door to door one night?

Just remember what happened in Armenia prior to the genocide. Do you remember what that was?

 

[Ernie S.]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Amen, brother. Fuck the NRA and fuck the Nazi Repug Party.

You're really a Kerry supporter? Really? I mean REALLY? You support John Kerry? Really? I mean, you're not just joking about that?

He was before he got permabanned in 2012 as Kerry Won Ohio. See my previous post.

 

[Ernie S.]

This idiot even opened 2 threads 3 years apart with the same title.
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Yep, it was true then and it's true now, white trash.

You going to cry about it, NRA terrorist pussy?

So you are confirming that you are the same guy who was banned 3 years ago?

 

[Kerry Won Ohio2]

This idiot even opened 2 threads 3 years apart with the same title.
July 22 2012: Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

October 1 2015: Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Yep, it was true then and it's true now, white trash.

You going to cry about it, NRA terrorist pussy?

So you are confirming that you are the same guy who was banned 3 years ago?

Yes, white trash racist. That is affirmative.

Now go cry to the moderators about it, pussy.

It's called free speech, dickhead. You get to be a white supremacist NRA terrorist little pussy bitch. And I get to point out this fact.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Amen, brother. Fuck the NRA and fuck the Nazi Repug Party.

1: Bush won OH, Bush was FL
2: If you hate this country's gun control laws so much and hate even more the fact that you know you have no sound argument for implementing further limits -- why don;t you move to Canada?

I have several legitimate arguments, white trash.

You do not.
And you haven't answered the question.

 

[Yarddog]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

Oh really? how long will it take the national guard to get to your neighbor hood when ISIS terrorists start going door to door one night?

Just remember what happened in Armenia prior to the genocide. Do you remember what that was?

ISIS is at your door right now, you scared little NRA terrorist pussy.

It's really fascinating that crazy fucks like you really believe this paranoid bullshit.

Its just one example DUMB ASS, it could be any reason where you can't wait for the national guard or police to show up at your door. Anyway pussie, Im more concerned about my neighbors and other helpless people. Not myself.
And if you remember history, there's no way over a million Armenians would have been massacred had not all their guns be taken away. They literally had to sit there helplessly as they say their neighbors dragged from their homes

 

[Yarddog]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

Oh really? how long will it take the national guard to get to your neighbor hood when ISIS terrorists start going door to door one night?

Just remember what happened in Armenia prior to the genocide. Do you remember what that was?

ISIS is at your door right now, you scared little NRA terrorist pussy.

It's really fascinating that crazy fucks like you really believe this paranoid bullshit.

Furthermore Dumb ASS, Im not an NRA Member. but I support your right to be one

 

[Kerry Won Ohio2]

Amen, brother. Fuck the NRA and fuck the Nazi Repug Party.

1: Bush won OH, Bush was FL
2: If you hate this country's gun control laws so much and hate even more the fact that you know you have no sound argument for implementing further limits -- why don;t you move to Canada?

I have several legitimate arguments, white trash.

You do not.
And you haven't answered the question.

Kerry did indeed win Ohio, white trash. The exit polls said he won. --

2004 Presidential Election Ohio Exit Poll:

Kerry -- 54%
Bush - 45%

The only time exit polls are wrong is when cheating is involved. That's why the UN uses exit polls worldwide to monitor elections, you fucking rube. Even Fox News stated at 8 pm EST on election night 2004 that Kerry was going to be the next President, based on the exit polls.

Read the book Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? by MIT Professor Steve Freeman. The election absolutely was stolen from Kerry. I doubt you've ever read a book in your life, maybe this will be your first.

So you asked and I answered. Now go fuck yourself, NRA terrorist.

 

[Ernie S.]

Amen, brother. Fuck the NRA and fuck the Nazi Repug Party.

1: Bush won OH, Bush was FL
2: If you hate this country's gun control laws so much and hate even more the fact that you know you have no sound argument for implementing further limits -- why don;t you move to Canada?

I have several legitimate arguments, white trash.

You do not.
And you haven't answered the question.

Kerry did indeed win Ohio, white trash. The exit polls said he won. --

2004 Presidential Election Ohio Exit Poll:

Kerry -- 54%
Bush - 45%

The only time exit polls are wrong is when cheating is involved. That's why the UN uses exit polls worldwide to monitor elections, you fucking rube. Even Fox News stated at 8 pm EST on election night 2004 that Kerry was going to be the next President, based on the exit polls.

Read the book Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? by MIT Professor Steve Freeman. The election absolutely was stolen from Kerry. I doubt you've ever read a book in your life, maybe this will be your first.

So you asked and I answered. Now go fuck yourself, NRA terrorist.

I purposely lie to exit pollsters, telemarketers and Liberal politicians.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Amen, brother. Fuck the NRA and fuck the Nazi Repug Party.

1: Bush won OH, Bush was FL
2: If you hate this country's gun control laws so much and hate even more the fact that you know you have no sound argument for implementing further limits -- why don;t you move to Canada?

I have several legitimate arguments, white trash.

You do not.
And you haven't answered the question.

Kerry did indeed win Ohio, white trash. The exit polls said he won. --

Official, certified election results > exit polls.
Every time.
Kerry lost; only mindless partisan bigots believe otherwise.

If you hate this country's gun control laws so much and hate even more the fact that you know you have no sound argument for implementing further limits -- why don;t you move to Canada?

 

[Oldstyle]

This idiot even opened 2 threads 3 years apart with the same title.
July 22 2012: Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

October 1 2015: Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Yep, it was true then and it's true now, white trash.

You going to cry about it, NRA terrorist pussy?

So you are confirming that you are the same guy who was banned 3 years ago?

Yes, white trash racist. That is affirmative.

Now go cry to the moderators about it, pussy.

It's called free speech, dickhead. You get to be a white supremacist NRA terrorist little pussy bitch. And I get to point out this fact.

You mean that you get to be a dick head...those kind of come along with the whole "freedom of speech" thing! We've got to put up with idiots like you so that people who actually want to have a spirited debate can do so.

 

[Avatar4321]

There is no doubt that background checks have saves lives.

Yes there is.
What there is none of is evidence that they have.

And no evidence it would have stopped this massacre

 

[Avatar4321]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

Oh really? how long will it take the national guard to get to your neighbor hood when ISIS terrorists start going door to door one night?

Just remember what happened in Armenia prior to the genocide. Do you remember what that was?

ISIS is at your door right now, you scared little NRA terrorist pussy.

It's really fascinating that crazy fucks like you really believe this paranoid bullshit.

If Isis is at our door, shouldn't we be arming ourselves instead of disarming ourselves?

Or do you just want them killing your fellow citizens?

 

[Avatar4321]

Amen, brother. Fuck the NRA and fuck the Nazi Repug Party.

1: Bush won OH, Bush was FL
2: If you hate this country's gun control laws so much and hate even more the fact that you know you have no sound argument for implementing further limits -- why don;t you move to Canada?

I have several legitimate arguments, white trash.

You do not.
And you haven't answered the question.

Kerry did indeed win Ohio, white trash. The exit polls said he won. --

2004 Presidential Election Ohio Exit Poll:

Kerry -- 54%
Bush - 45%

The only time exit polls are wrong is when cheating is involved. That's why the UN uses exit polls worldwide to monitor elections, you fucking rube. Even Fox News stated at 8 pm EST on election night 2004 that Kerry was going to be the next President, based on the exit polls.

Read the book Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? by MIT Professor Steve Freeman. The election absolutely was stolen from Kerry. I doubt you've ever read a book in your life, maybe this will be your first.

So you asked and I answered. Now go fuck yourself, NRA terrorist.

And how many times do we need to go over the fact that exist polls are irrelevant it's the actual votes that matter?

The fact that it's been almost 12 years and you still don't understand this is pathetically sad.

 

[Boomer928]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

Pure nonsense. It's in plain and easy to ready English. Shall NOT Infringe.

What part of that do you leftist morons not get? Does it need to be typed slower for you to understand?

 

[ninja007]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

so you going to call the army then when someones breaking into your home?

 

[mikegriffith1]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Does any "rational person really believe" that an inanimate object kills people? I'll tell you what: Go get 100 guns and put them in a high school, but don't let anyone touch them; then, wait to see how many of the guns shoot anybody. Deal?