It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns.

[Fudge Packer]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

You constantly think about two words. Bend over.

 

[Lakhota]

Time for guns to receive the tobacco treatment.

 

[Boomer928]

Time for guns to receive the tobacco treatment.

The only good gun grabber is a dead gun grabber.
Are we speaking the same language now?

 

[Blackrook]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

You are an idiot. If you want our guns, you will have to take them by force.

 

[Slyhunter]

Time for guns to receive the tobacco treatment.

There is a valid argument for taxing guns to cover cost of treating gun victims. If such a tax is necessary.

 

[Blackrook]

The tobacco industry was never really jeopardized by the lawsuit. Guess what? People still smoke cigarettes.

 

[bripat9643]

Time for guns to receive the tobacco treatment.

There is a valid argument for taxing guns to cover cost of treating gun victims. If such a tax is necessary.

Bullshit. Make the perps pay. Innocent people have no obligation to the victims.

 

[bripat9643]

The tobacco industry was never really jeopardized by the lawsuit. Guess what? People still smoke cigarettes.

People who smoke cigarettes are the ones who pay the tax, and they are predominately poor people. So all the tax did is place a tax on the poor that they can ill afford to pay.

 

[Slyhunter]

The tobacco industry was never really jeopardized by the lawsuit. Guess what? People still smoke cigarettes.

People who smoke cigarettes are the ones who pay the tax, and they are predominately poor people. So all the tax did is place a tax on the poor that they can ill afford to pay.

Poor people shouldn't smoke. It's their own damn fault. If they don't want to pay the tax they could quit smoking.

 

[bripat9643]

The tobacco industry was never really jeopardized by the lawsuit. Guess what? People still smoke cigarettes.

People who smoke cigarettes are the ones who pay the tax, and they are predominately poor people. So all the tax did is place a tax on the poor that they can ill afford to pay.

Poor people shouldn't smoke. It's their own damn fault. If they don't want to pay the tax they could quit smoking.

So you and you're ilk are trying to help them by placing a huge tax on them?

The compassion of liberals is spellbinding.

 

[turtledude]

Time for guns to receive the tobacco treatment.

your hate is palpable but you are a moron. People like you should be going around trying to seize guns. which of course, if you do that, you would be among the first to be "lost" in the civil war against guns. But I think most patriots would rather see big mouthed gun haters as legitimate targets if there is a civil war over some rookie cop who has been ordered to do the Gestapo routine to some local gun owner's home and family

 

[turtledude]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

we do, here is the compromise the founders wanted

Leave the people alone and don't try to rape their rights and they won't shoot you

sounds reasonable to me

 

[tyroneweaver]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

ya compromise. Which means to a democrat What?

 

[turtledude]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

ya compromise. Which means to a democrat What?

On another discussion board, I finally asked a Banoid what they would give up if we say compromised over universal background checks. I was told since the last "compromise" didn't result in any decrease in crime, the Banoids didn't get their bargain even though we compromised on the Brady bill. You see that is how banoids think We give up our rights and they know our compromise does nothing but cost us rights but the scum sucking banoids pretend unless crime is decreased we should give up more rights

other banoids say our benefit to compromise is that they won't ban ALL of our guns

the gun banner movement is no different than cancer. if you give it any room it will kill more and more of your rights

 

[Slyhunter]

The tobacco industry was never really jeopardized by the lawsuit. Guess what? People still smoke cigarettes.

People who smoke cigarettes are the ones who pay the tax, and they are predominately poor people. So all the tax did is place a tax on the poor that they can ill afford to pay.

Poor people shouldn't smoke. It's their own damn fault. If they don't want to pay the tax they could quit smoking.

So you and you're ilk are trying to help them by placing a huge tax on them?

The compassion of liberals is spellbinding.

I'm not a liberal.
I'm logical and sometimes lack compassion.
I see nothing wrong with luxury taxes. And smoking is a luxury.

 

[Rustic]

By Dennis A. Henigan

The American people can overcome the gun lobby, but only if we confront, and expose, three myths that have long dominated the gun debate and given the politicians a ready excuse for inaction.

First, we must not let the opponents of reform get away with the empty bromide that "guns don't kill people, people kill people." Does any rational person really believe that the Sandy Hook killer could have murdered twenty-seven people in minutes with a knife or a baseball bat? Guns enable people to kill, more effectively and efficiently than any other widely available weapon.

Second, we must challenge the idea that no law can prevent violent people from getting guns. This canard is refuted by the experience of every other western industrialized nation. Their violent crime rates are comparable to ours. But their homicide rates are exponentially lower because their strong gun laws make it harder for violent individuals to get guns.

Third, we must not accept the notion that our Constitution condemns us to the continued slaughter of our children. It is true that the Supreme Court has expanded gun rights in recent years; it is equally true that the Court has insisted that the right allows for reasonable restrictions. In his opinion in the Heller Second Amendment case, Justice Scalia listed restrictions on "dangerous and unusual weapons" among the kinds of gun laws that are still "presumptively lawful." Assault weapons that fire scores of rounds without reloading surely are "dangerous and unusual."

The tobacco control movement overcame some equally powerful mythology to fundamentally alter American attitudes toward tobacco products. The tobacco industry's effort to sow confusion and uncertainty about the link between smoking and disease eventually was exposed as a fraud. The entrenched view that smoking was simply a bad habit that individuals can choose to break was destroyed by evidence that the tobacco companies knew that nicotine was powerfully addictive and engineered their cigarettes to ensure that people got hooked and stayed hooked. The assumption that smoking harms only the smoker was contradicted by the overwhelming evidence of the danger of second-hand smoke.

Once these myths were exposed, attitudes changed, policies changed and we started saving countless lives. Since youth smoking peaked in the mid-1990s, smoking rates have fallen by about three-fourths among 8th graders, two-thirds among 10th graders and half among 12th graders. A sea change has occurred on the tobacco issue.

Similarly fundamental change can come to the gun issue as well. The myths about gun control, however, still have a hold on too many of our political leaders and their constituents. We will hear them repeated again and again in the coming weeks of intense debate. Every time we hear them, we must respond and we must persuade.

There is too much at stake to be silent.

More: Dennis A. Henigan: It Was Done on Tobacco. It Can Be Done on Guns

Na, tobacco is not an right..
Washington redskin, quit fishing...

 

[Rustic]

America has a strong (socialist) standing army. There is no longer need for "militia" as stated in the Second Amendment.

Washington redskin, you need to take a reading comprehension class.

 

[FA_Q2]

Time for guns to receive the tobacco treatment.

There is a valid argument for taxing guns to cover cost of treating gun victims. If such a tax is necessary.

No, there really is not considering that those are victims of the unlawful use of those firearms. It is also unconstitutional to charge to exercise a protected right.

That is nothing more than a poll tax for the second amendment.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Hardcore NRA wingnuts need to be thinking about two words: "Compromise" and "Consensus"...

That's what the Constitutional amendment process is for so if you can get your consensus to abolish the second amendment go ahead

You better get started it's going to take you a looooong time

 

[Lakhota]

Yes, it can - and eventually will be done because of the rigidity of the gun nutters who won't give an inch.